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Abiogenesis and Evolution
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If you start with one bacterium, guess what happens? You get a whole lot more bacteria. It's called asexual reproduction, or cloning.
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Are we discussing spontaneous generation? I thought that concept was decided long ago to not be valid?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
"Belief in the present ongoing spontaneous generation of certain forms of life from non-living matter goes back to Aristotle and ancient Greek philosophy and continued to have support in Western scholarship until the 19th century. This belief was paired with a belief in heterogenesis, i.e., that one form of life derived from a different form (e.g., bees from flowers)."
All evolutionists have done is change the bees from flowers to humans from apes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_generation
"Spontaneous generation or anomalous generation is an obsolete body of thought on the ordinary formation of living organisms without descent from similar organisms."
So please explain to me how life from non-life is descent from similar organisms? Because otherwise abiogenesis is spontaneous generation and can be dismissed out of hand as being the obsolete body of thought that it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
"Belief in the present ongoing spontaneous generation of certain forms of life from non-living matter goes back to Aristotle and ancient Greek philosophy and continued to have support in Western scholarship until the 19th century. This belief was paired with a belief in heterogenesis, i.e., that one form of life derived from a different form (e.g., bees from flowers)."
All evolutionists have done is change the bees from flowers to humans from apes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_generation
"Spontaneous generation or anomalous generation is an obsolete body of thought on the ordinary formation of living organisms without descent from similar organisms."
So please explain to me how life from non-life is descent from similar organisms? Because otherwise abiogenesis is spontaneous generation and can be dismissed out of hand as being the obsolete body of thought that it is.
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Because he wont admit that those bacterium contain both sets of DNA that in reproducing pairs are separated into male and female. Which is the only logical way to have bacterium reproduce since their job in nature is to take care of decaying matter - would be by binary fission. So that being easier to destroy they would be able to multiply rapidly in the numbers needed to fulfill their role in the creation.
And it's called binary fission - not cloning, just so you don't get confused by his strawman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fission_(biology)
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And believe it or not is why bacteria never evolve.
http://www.livescience.com/49677-deep-sea-organism-evolution.html
Of course it's only a puzzle that needs double-talk with evolutionists that actually believe life propagates by mutation - instead of what we observe - Asian mates with African and produces an Afro-Asian. Husky mates with Mastiff and produces a Chinook. All the while Asian remains Asian, African remains African, Husky remains Husky and Mastiff remains a Mastiff. Bacteria since they do not mate - will always remain the same infraspecific taxa they started as, with only the variation we see among Asians or Africans, Husky or Mastiff, etc.
Experimentally proven as after billions of generations and billions of mutations, those E coli bacteria remained E coli - with only the slight variation we see among them as we see in Asian peoples or Husky dogs. Panther cats, and on and on and on.......
http://www.livescience.com/49677-deep-sea-organism-evolution.html
Of course it's only a puzzle that needs double-talk with evolutionists that actually believe life propagates by mutation - instead of what we observe - Asian mates with African and produces an Afro-Asian. Husky mates with Mastiff and produces a Chinook. All the while Asian remains Asian, African remains African, Husky remains Husky and Mastiff remains a Mastiff. Bacteria since they do not mate - will always remain the same infraspecific taxa they started as, with only the variation we see among Asians or Africans, Husky or Mastiff, etc.
Experimentally proven as after billions of generations and billions of mutations, those E coli bacteria remained E coli - with only the slight variation we see among them as we see in Asian peoples or Husky dogs. Panther cats, and on and on and on.......
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Abiogenesis is not spontaneous generation. Spontaneous generation had things like mice emerging from garbage, or leaches coming from muddy water. These are modern species emerging quickly from non-living matter. Abiogenesis does not have modern species emerging in any such way.
Also, the experiments done by Pasteur were certainly not capable of disproving abiogenesis.
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Bacteria evolving:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC169282/
H. erectus is not African or Asian.
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Bacteria are haploid, not diploid (pretending that you will even understand what these words mean).
Clone:
"an organism or cell, or group of organisms or cells, produced asexually from one ancestor or stock, to which they are genetically identical."
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=clone+definition
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And you now have man emerging from monkey - there is no difference.
So then you admit that we are discussing spontaneous generation since they emerged from non-living matter - i.e., descent from organisms that are not similar?
Sure he disproved it - he never once produced a living anything from non-living matter. No one has. Just more non-living matter - i.e. descent from similar things (non-living matter) and living matter from decent from similar things (living matter.)
You mean to say you don't want to admit your theory is in reality spontaneous generation and so now attempt to defend spontaneous generation because in your heart you know the truth. That they are one and the same - or you would not now be attempting to defend an obsolete body of thought.
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Monkey's are non-living?
Abiogenesis has simple species emerging from non-living matter, not complex modern species.
Dissimilar ancestral organisms are living.
Did the failed attempt at the first powered flight disprove airplanes?
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The part where life dies is the part that would have to change.
The Creator is not fond of death and had to come up with
some painful procedures to work around it in the end.
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What scientific laws are broken by species evolving in conditions that allow species to evolve?
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The theory fully embraces organisms dying.
No scientific theory has to explain your bare assertions.
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?? I thought this thread was about how the theory of evolution is unaffected no matter what process caused the first life to come into existence.
Why are you asking questions about how the first life came into existence?
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