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A year alone on Mars? For how much money?

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What would it take for you to spend a year alone on Mars without any communication with Earth. I mean, the human imagination tends to go haywire after a while and what was formerly brushed aside as mere wind-blown sand against the shelters hull can begin sounding like the scratches of claws threatening to break in. But I imagine that some extremely materialistically motivated human might just give it a go.
 
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What would it take for you to spend a year alone on Mars without any communication with Earth. I mean, the human imagination tends to go haywire after a while and what was formerly brushed aside as mere wind-blown sand against the shelters hull can begin sounding like the scratches of claws threatening to break in. But I imagine that some extremely materialistically motivated human might just give it a go.

I'm always ready for some peace and quiet.
Off-grid is cool.
18-20 months is more likely, waiting for the earth to come around again.
 
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I'm always ready for some peace and quiet.
Off-grid is cool.
18-20 months is more likely, waiting for the earth to come around again.
The assumption of peace and quiet might be very disappointing with the global sandstorm possibility and occasional twisters common to Mars.
Actually, it isn't the isolation as much a the unknown part of Mars that daunts me. I don't know what lurks there.
What nocturnal creatures could possibly immerge from the wet depths to take interest in me.
So since those events are not yet proven to be 100% impossible I will not take the offer regardless of the amount.
But yes, you are right, Earth has to come around again in order to make a return trip feasible.
Thanks for the reminder.




— Using decades of Mars data, Australian researchers have evaluated the entire planet for habitability.


— Liquid water cannot exist on Mars' surface for long, meaning life (as we know it) would have a hard time surviving.


— Sub-surface, however, there's better chances for liquid water — and therefore life — to exist.


Australian scientists who modeled conditions on Mars to examine how much of the Red Planet was habitable said that "large regions" could sustain life.


Charley Lineweaver's team, from the Australian National University, compared models of temperature and pressure conditions on Earth with those on Mars to estimate how much of the distant planet was livable for Earth-like organisms.


While just one percent of Earth's volume — from core to upper atmosphere — was occupied by life, Lineweaver said their world-first modeling showed three percent of Mars was habitable, though most of it was underground.

"What we tried to do, simply, was take almost all of the information we could and put it together and say 'is the big picture consistent with there being life on Mars?'," the astrobiologist told AFP on Monday.

"And the simple answer is yes… There are large regions of Mars that are compatible with terrestrial life."

http://www.seeker.com/life-possible-on-large-regions-of-mars-1765560937.html
 
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The assumption of peace and quiet might be very disappointing with the global sandstorm possibility and occasional twisters common to Mars.
Actually, it isn't the isolation as much a the unknown part of Mars that daunts me. I don't know what lurks there.
What nocturnal creatures could possibly immerge from the wet depths to take interest in me.
So since those events are not yet proven to be 100% impossible I will not take the offer regardless of the amount.
But yes, you are right, Earth has to come around again in order to make a return trip feasible.
Thanks for the reminder.

And how many cancers will you develop on the way there, living there, and on the way back. The effects of radiation are a major hazard in regard to to any expedition to mars.
 
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And how many cancers will you develop on the way there, living there, and on the way back. The effects of radiation are a major hazard in regard to to any expedition to mars.
True, but in this hypothetical let's assume that proper shielding of the space craft and the Mars shelter has been accomplished by the time in which the offer is made. How much money would it take to get you to do it.


Radiation Fears Shouldn't Hold Back Mars Colonization (Op-Ed)
http://www.space.com/21813-mars-one-colony-space-radiation.html

I'm SURE THIS GUY WOULD NOT GO.
 
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True, but in this hypothetical let's assume that proper shielding of the space craft and the Mars shelter has been accomplished by the time in which the offer is made. How much money would it take to get you to do it.
There is not enough money. The fact is that a trip to Mars is a one way trip, there are to many things that can go wrong, and will go wrong, for it to be anything else. The future of space exploration is in AI and robotics.
 
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The assumption of peace and quiet might be very disappointing with the global sandstorm possibility and occasional twisters common to Mars.
Actually, it isn't the isolation as much a the unknown part of Mars that daunts me. I don't know what lurks there.
What nocturnal creatures could possibly immerge from the wet depths to take interest in me.
So since those events are not yet proven to be 100% impossible I will not take the offer regardless of the amount.
But yes, you are right, Earth has to come around again in order to make a return trip feasible.
Thanks for the reminder.

Oh no! Worried about the martians?
Admittedly my favorite Sci-Fi of all time.

THE%20MARTIAN%20CHRONICLES%20Jacket%20COVER.jpg

https://books.google.com/books?id=H...EIHDAA#v=onepage&q=martian chronicles&f=false
 
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There is not enough money. The fact is that a trip to Mars is a one way trip, there are to many things that can go wrong, and will go wrong, for it to be anything else. The future of space exploration is in AI and robotics.
Well, the money is there. However, since space exploration is given far less priority than making weapons to kill people with I guess that for all practical reasons you are right-there is no money. That's one reason why NASA has to pack astronauts in like sardines in a can. Yes, you are definitely correct about the dangers. The percentage of attempts to land on Mars safely isn't very comforting either. I think that the incentive for space exploration will arise from either asteroid mining or moon soil minding. Once people begin to make lots of dough, then space exploration will really take off [no pun intended] regardless of dangers involved.
 
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There is not enough money. The fact is that a trip to Mars is a one way trip, there are to many things that can go wrong, and will go wrong, for it to be anything else. The future of space exploration is in AI and robotics.
Mars is a hard place to reach. While there have been many notable success stories in getting probes to the Red Planet, the historical record is full of bad news.

Percentages aren't too encouraging either.
Counting all Soviet/Russian, U.S., European, and Japanese attempts, more than half of Mars missions have failed, either because of some botched rocket launch on Earth or a systems malfunction en route to or at the planet. The success rate for actually landing on the Martian surface is even worse, roughly 30 percent.
https://www.wired.com/2012/08/failure-to-reach-mars/

Here was an interesting flick on Mars Exploration

Another interesting one was this one:

Then you have this one when we didn't know how the surface really looked.
 
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no "glitches", unforeseen circumstances?

what might one do if either of the above happened, and there would be no communication with earth?

Is the risk worth the money is the question.
How much money would it take to motivate you to take the risk?

About glitches and unforeseen occurrences? Well, please note that even a regular mission has to deal with those.
The only diff is that you would have to do so alone as in the film The Martian.
 
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Well, the money is there. However, since space exploration is given far less priority than making weapons to kill people with I guess that for all practical reasons you are right-there is no money. That's one reason why NASA has to pack astronauts in like sardines in a can. Yes, you are definitely correct about the dangers. The percentage of attempts to land on Mars safely isn't very comforting either. I think that the incentive for space exploration will arise from either asteroid mining or moon soil minding. Once people begin to make lots of dough, then space exploration will really take off [no pun intended] regardless of dangers involved.
I meant you could not offer me enough money to go to mars.

As I said the future of space exploration and exploitation will be AI and robotic driven. it makes no economic sense to send people.
 
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I meant you could not offer me enough money to go to mars.

As I said the future of space exploration and exploitation will be AI and robotic driven. it makes no economic sense to send people.

Well, I tend to agree. However, NASA doesn't share your opinion.

["We have been engaged in getting to Mars — getting humans to Mars — for at least 40 years, beginning with the first precursors," he added. "I have no doubt that we can accomplish what we have set our minds to do."

http://www.space.com/30580-nasa-manned-mars-mission-reality.html

 
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What would it take for you to spend a year alone on Mars without any communication with Earth. I mean, the human imagination tends to go haywire after a while and what was formerly brushed aside as mere wind-blown sand against the shelters hull can begin sounding like the scratches of claws threatening to break in. But I imagine that some extremely materialistically motivated human might just give it a go.

I could do this for free (fame, prestige, adventure is good enough for me). I have survived in similar conditions, most certainly worse for two years in near isolation, horrible living conditions, mortal dangers from extremism, and regular sandstorms in the Middle East.

I actually rather loved the sound of howling dust storm at night. Gives me better sleep. If it is dead quiet, I simply play soft tunes to put myself to sleep.

I never gone cuckoo despite that and anything else would be better, including a tiny NASA living quarters in the middle of nowhere without any contact with loved ones for a while. Not that I don't love them. Somehow, I figured out how to fiddle with my emotions if it is necessary. And I'm an inventor. For sure I could find a way to keep myself busy the whole day, everyday, building something or even improving the habitat systems or regular maintenance/repairs.

Damn, I'll probably do it even if the mission is classified/top secret, and extremely dangerous. The adventure alone and doing something quite substantial for once is good enough for me.
 
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Just to be able to step foot on the red planet?I'd do it for nothing..my family on the other hand would have to be able to live for the rest of their lives without worrying about money.
 
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And how many cancers will you develop on the way there, living there, and on the way back. The effects of radiation are a major hazard in regard to to any expedition to mars.

Good point. Space is where life gets destroyed, not formed.
So, what is the origin of organic molecules on comets?
 
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Good point. Space is where life gets destroyed, not formed.
So, what is the origin of organic molecules on comets?
Not really relevant. Organic molecules have been found on comets, not life.
 
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I'd do it for free in a heart beat.

I'd be really lonely, but I'd assume I'd have video messages and maybe delayed live calls to people back home. I'd read books and watch films and perform whatever scientific research I could help with while there.

Cancer and bone problems are already a danger for us in this world, but missing out on something so incredible is a much worse danger.

Imagine waling on an alien world! Also, with the extremely thin atmosphere, the stars must be amazing on clear nights.
 
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