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A Third Temple In Jerusalem, Breaking News?

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Yes I think the sanhedrin and Zionist gov are serious in building a new temple

They have 2 temple coins made.....a half shekel you can purchase by website ..the donations of 50 per coin
will help support the rebuilding of the temple.....
 
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I believe I read that the real temple is located just a few hundred yards from the temple mount through archaeological digs , but the Jews have not yet accepted it

Yes I saw a YouTube video on the correct site of the temple location in the city of David south of the dome of the rock ...escavation were done and there may be evidence the sacrifices were done there by a spring flowing...

Most likely the Jews will build there ..
 
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This effort to make the Two Peoples of God doctrine work falls apart very quickly.

The first is the statement "We Gentile Christians".

This statement assumes that none of us could possibly be related to Jacob.
Without a DNA test nobody would know.
The Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile Church".
On the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in Acts 2:36.
On that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised in Matthew 26:28.
Paul considered himself an Israelite, even after his conversion, in Romans 11:1.
The fact is that when the Church began almost all of its members were Israelites. The Gentiles were grafted in several years later. Even today, the Church continues to be made up of all races of people.

To claim that God made a covenant with a race of people which was not fulfilled at Calvary is promoting some form of "Dual Covenant" Theology.

Based on Matthew 1:1, Jesus Christ is the ultimate fulfillment of Israel.
This is confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16.

The author of the article completely ignored the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 7:12, and Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.
Why did the author of the article above ignore the New Covenant?
Because an understanding of the New Covenant destroys modern Dispensational Theology, which was brought to America by John Nelson Darby, about the time of the Civil War.

The New Covenant: Bob George


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[Staff edit]. The Church consists of everyone who believes in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, and their personal Lord and Savior. Israel is a nation of people who do not accept Jesus as the Son of God nor their Messiah. They will finally come to do so, at the second coming of Jesus, WITH HIS CHURCH, from His marriage to them, in heaven, as recorded in Zech.12:19; 14:4-5; Rev.19:7-8 and 14.

[Staff edit].

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REVIEW THE FOLLOWING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY/SUPERSESSIONISM IS:

The Errors of Replacement Theology

By Clarence H. Wagner, Jr.Perhaps you have heard of the term Replacement Theology. However, if you look it up in a dictionary of Church history, you will not find it listed as a systematic study. Rather, it is a doctrinal teaching that originated in the early Church. It became the fertile soil from which Christian anti-Semitism grew and has infected the Church for nearly 1,900 years.
What Is Replacement Theology?Replacement Theology was introduced to the Church shortly after Gentile leadership took over from Jewish leadership. What are its premises?

1. Israel (the Jewish people and the land) has been replaced by the Christian Church in the purposes of God, or, more precisely, the Church is the historic continuation of Israel to the exclusion of the former.

2. The Jewish people are now no longer a "chosen people." In fact, they are no different from any other group, such as the English, Spanish, or Africans.

3. Apart from repentance, the new birth, and incorporation into the Church, the Jewish people have no future, no hope, and no calling in the plan of God. The same is true for every other nation and group.

4.. Since Pentecost of Acts 2, the term "Israel," as found in the Bible, now refers to the Church.

5. The promises, covenants and blessings ascribed to Israel in the Bible have been taken away from the Jews and given to the Church, which has superseded them. However, the Jews are subject to the curses found in the Bible, as a result of their rejection of Christ How Do Replacement Theologians Argue Their Case? They Say:

How Do Replacement Theologians Argue Their Case? They Say:

1. To be a son of Abraham is to have faith in Jesus Christ. For them, Galatians 3:29 shows that sonship to Abraham is seen only in spiritual, not national terms: "And if you be Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Rebuttal: While this is a wonderful inclusionary promise for Gentiles, this verse does not exclude the Jewish people from their original covenant, promise and blessing as the natural seed of Abraham. This verse simply joins us Gentile Christians to what God had already started with Israel.

2. The promise of the land of Canaan to Abraham was only a "starter." The real Promised Land is the whole world. They use Romans 4:13 to claim it will be the Church that inherits the world, not Israel. "For the promise that he should be the heir of the world was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Rebuttal: Where does this verse exclude Abraham and His natural progeny, the Jews? It simply says that through the law, they would not inherit the world, but this would be acquired through faith. This is also true of the Church.

3. The nation of Israel was only the seed of the future Church, which would arise and incorporate people of all nations (Mal. 1:11): "For from the rising of the sun, even unto the going down of the same, My Name shall be great among the nations, and in every place, incense shall be offered to My Name, and a pure offering for My Name shall be great among the nations, says the Lord of Hosts."

Rebuttal: This is great, and shows that the Jewish people and Israel fulfilled one of their callings to be "a light to the nations," so that God's Word has gone around the world. It does not suggest God's dealing with Israel was negated because His Name spread around the world.

4. Jesus taught that the Jews would lose their spiritual privileges, and be replaced by another people (Matt. 21:43): "Therefore I am saying to you, 'The kingdom of God will be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits of it.'"

Rebuttal: In this passage, Jesus was talking about the priests and Pharisees, who failed as leaders of the people. This passage is not talking about the Jewish people or nation of Israel. See Teaching Letter #770008, "Did God Break His Covenant With the Jews?"

5. A true Jew is anyone born of the Spirit, whether he is racially Gentile or Jewish (Rom. 2:28-29): "For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh; But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

Rebuttal: This argument does not support the notion that the Church replaced Israel. Rather, it simply reinforces what had been said throughout the Hebrew Scriptures [the Old Testament], and it certainly qualifies the spiritual qualifications for Jews or anyone who professes to be a follower of the God of Israel.

6. Paul shows that the Church is really the same "olive tree" as was Israel, and the Church is now the tree. Therefore, to distinguish between Israel and the Church is, strictly speaking, false. Indeed, people of Jewish origin need to be grafted back into the Church (Rom 11:17-23).

Rebuttal: This claim is the most outrageous because this passage clearly shows that we Gentiles are the "wild olive branches," who get our life from being grafted into the olive tree. The tree represents the covenants, promises and hopes of Israel (Eph. 2:12), rooted in the Messiah and fed by the sap, which represents the Holy Spirit, giving life to the Jews (the "natural branches") and Gentile alike. We Gentiles are told to remember that the olive tree holds us up and NOT to be arrogant or boast against the "natural branches" because they can be grafted in again. The olive tree is NOT the Church. We are simply grafted into God's plan that preceded us for over 2,000 years.

7. All the promises made to Israel in the Old Testament, unless they were historically fulfilled before the coming of Jesus Christ, are now the property of the Christian Church. These promises should not be interpreted literally or carnally, but spiritually and symbolically, so that references to Israel, Jerusalem, Zion and the Temple, when they are prophetic, really refer to the Church (II Cor. 1:20). "For all the promises of God in Him (Jesus) are Yea, and in Him, Amen, unto the glory of God by us." Therefore, they teach that the New Testament needs to be taught figuratively, not literally.

Rebuttal: Later, in this Teaching Letter, we will look at the fact that the New Testament references to Israel clearly pertain to Israel, not the Church. Therefore, no promise to Israel and the Jewish people in the Bible is figurative, nor can they be relegated to the Church alone. The promises and covenants are literal, many of them are everlasting, and we Christians can participate in them as part of our rebirth, not in that we took them over to the exclusion of Israel. The New Testament speaks of the Church's relationship to Israel and her covenants as being "grafted in" (Rom. 11:17), "brought near" (Eph. 2:13), "Abraham's offspring (by faith)" (Rom. 4:16), and "partakers" (Rom. 15:27), NOT as usurpers of the covenant and a replacer of physical Israel. We Gentile Christians joined into what God had been doing in Israel, and God did not break His covenant promises with Israel (Rom. 11:29).

Source: Error of Replacement Theology


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If Bro. Wagner is still with us, he evidently doesn't know about this, or doesn't believe it if he does know:

Abraham lineage

DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?

Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places

But then, his dispensational survival depends on him not knowing or believing it.

As does that of every other dispensationalist.

Every claim that he makes regarding the Jew or Israel is invalidated by contemporary genetic reality, which the Jewish religiocultural community itself acknowledges and applauds.

There is no longer any separately distinguishable Jewish ethnicity within the human race.

Within the human race, there are only those who are in Christ, His Church; and those who are not.

Those who are in Christ are there by faith in Him and obedience to Him.

Those are His only conditions.

Insistence on ethnic distinction is insistence originating from a "doctrine of ignorance" (© BAB2)
 
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[Staff edit].
... their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice’ den.
(Isaiah 11: 7,8)

"Lion" is Judaism, "straw" is religious rituals, the "child" is the unity of the saints in Jesus Christ, gathered near the Temple and came to the City of Yahweh Shamah. The Lord offers peaceful coexistence.

And the great city was divided into three parts ... (Revelation 16:19)

Please replace the word "divided" with the word that is written in the Greek original.

Strong – 1096:

1) to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
2) to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
2a) of events
3) to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
3a) of men appearing in public
4) to be made, finished
4a) of miracles, to be performed, wrought
5) to become, be made

Jerusalem does not divide, Jerusalem appears at once in three places: in the former Jerusalem, in the Temple in the Judean Desert and in the city of Yahwe Shamah.

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The Church consists of everyone who believes in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, and their personal Lord and Savior. Israel is a nation of people who do not accept Jesus as the Son of God nor their Messiah. They will finally come to do so, at the second coming of Jesus, WITH HIS CHURCH, from His marriage to them, in heaven, as recorded in Zech.12:19; 14:4-5; Rev.19:7-8 and 14.

[Staff edit].


Quasar92

[Staff edit].

Paul said he was an "Israelite", even after his conversion, in Romans 11:1.


James addressed his letter, which was written to believers, to "the twelve tribes".

Who do you think "the twelve tribes" would be?

Peter addressed the crowd on the Day of Pentecost as, "all the house of Israel" in Acts 2:36.


Based on 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know God.

Based on the parable of the virgins from Matthew chapter 25, those not ready for the Bridegroom before His return will be rejected.
Based on these two passages, nobody will come to salvation at His Second coming.

If we want modern Jews to be saved we need to share the Gospel with them, now.
The suffering servant of Isaiah chapter 53, and the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 prove that the baby born in a manger is the Messiah promised in the Hebrew scriptures. How many times have we seen this simple three-part Gospel message on Christian television?


Forbidden Chapter in the Tanakh (Jewish Evangelism)

Isaiah chapter 53


A Jewish Man finds the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34


Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner



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Paul said he was an "Israelite", even after his conversion, in Romans 11:1.

James addressed his letter, which was written to believers, to "the twelve tribes".

Who do you think "the twelve tribes" would be?

Peter addressed the crowd on the Day of Pentecost as, "all the house of Israel" in Acts 2:36.


Based on 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know God.

Based on the parable of the virgins from Matthew chapter 25, those not ready for the Bridegroom before His return will be rejected.
Based on these two passages, nobody will come to salvation at His Second coming.

If we want modern Jews to be saved we need to share the Gospel with them, now.
The suffering servant of Isaiah chapter 53, and the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 prove that the baby born in a manger is the Messiah promised in the Hebrew scriptures. How many times have we seen this simple three-part Gospel message on Christian television?


Forbidden Chapter in the Tanakh (Jewish Evangelism)

Isaiah chapter 53


A Jewish Man finds the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34


Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner



.


In the following, from Acts 2, you will find where 3,000 more Israelites became believers in Jesus Christ, and members of His ekklesia. The very same situation as in the case of a non-believing person of German origin and citizenship, became a believer in Jesus Christ and became a member of the Church, the body of Jesus.

The problem you have is that you make Israel the one and only ELECT of God, when He has ELECT from most every nation on earth, since Jesus activated the New Covenant. Nationality has nothing whatever to do with it. Which translates into the fact that the ELECT [believers in Jesus] of Israel, are members of the Church of Jesus Christ, in the very same way the ELECT from all other nations of the world are!

Israel was God's choice for a people for Himself, to each all other nationalities about Him. Their ejection of Jesus as their Messiah caused Him to set them aside temporarily, until Jesus returns in His second coming, in Zech.12:10.

Review the following to see why God chose another people for Himself, when He set Israel aside temporarily for their rejection of Jesus as their Messiaj:

From Romans 10:

22What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25As he says in Hosea:

“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;

and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,”i

26and,

“In the very place where it was said to them,

‘You are not my people,’

there they will be called ‘children of the living God.’ ”j



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Yes I think the sanhedrin and Zionist gov are serious in building a new temple
Except that there is neither a sanhedrin or a zionist gov't.

They have 2 temple coins made.....a half shekel you can purchase by website ..the donations of 50 per coin will help support the rebuilding of the temple.....
What church is peddling them?
 
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THERE WILL BE TWO MORE TEMPLES BUILT IN JERUSALEM
Or three. Or a half dozen. Just depends on what it takes to make your doctrine "work." [Staff edit].
 
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In the following, from Acts 2, you will find where 3,000 more Israelites became believers in Jesus Christ, and members of His ekklesia. The very same situation as in the case of a non-believing person of German origin and citizenship, became a believer in Jesus Christ and became a member of the Church, the body of Jesus.

The problem you have is that you make Israel the one and only ELECT of God, when He has ELECT from most every nation on earth, since Jesus activated the New Covenant. Nationality has nothing whatever to do with it. Which translates into the fact that the ELECT [believers in Jesus] of Israel, are members of the Church of Jesus Christ, in the very same way the ELECT from all other nations of the world are!

Israel was God's choice for a people for Himself, to each all other nationalities about Him. Their ejection of Jesus as their Messiah caused Him to set them aside temporarily, until Jesus returns in His second coming, in Zech.12:10.

Review the following to see why God chose another people for Himself, when He set Israel aside temporarily for their rejection of Jesus as their Messiaj:

From Romans 10:

22What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25As he says in Hosea:




“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;

and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,”i

26and,

“In the very place where it was said to them,

‘You are not my people,’

there they will be called ‘children of the living God.’ ”j



Quasar92

I do not have a problem.

You just admitted above that "Jesus activated the New Covenant", and the New Covenant is promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:22-24.


God did not set any entire race of people aside temporarily.
When the Church began almost all of its members were Israelites.
The Gentiles were grafted in several years later.

In Romans 11:1-5 the Apostle Paul describes a remnant of faithful Israelites during his time.
Therefore, all of the Israelites were not "set aside", as you claim.
The Olive Tree is a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of believing Israelites and believing Gentiles.
Only the unbelieving Israelite branches were broken off of the Olive Tree.
They can be grafted back into the tree, through faith in Christ.
There is no plan B outside of the Olive Tree.



Based on John 19:37, the Apostle John saw Zechariah 12:10 being fulfilled at Calvary.

Joh 19:37 And again another Scripture says, "THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED."

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If Bro. Wagner is still with us, he evidently doesn't know about this, or doesn't believe it if he does know:

Abraham lineage

DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?

Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places

But then, his dispensational survival depends on him not knowing or believing it.

As does that of every other dispensationalist.

Every claim that he makes regarding the Jew or Israel is invalidated by contemporary genetic reality, which the Jewish religiocultural community itself acknowledges and applauds.

There is no longer any separately distinguishable Jewish ethnicity within the human race.

Within the human race, there are only those who are in Christ, His Church; and those who are not.

Those who are in Christ are there by faith in Him and obedience to Him.

Those are His only conditions.

Insistence on ethnic distinction is insistence originating from a "doctrine of ignorance" (© BAB2)

Jeremiah 31:35

Thus says the Lord,
who gives the sun for light by day
and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night,
who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—
the Lord of hosts is his name:
36 “If this fixed order departs
from before me, declares the Lord,
then shall the offspring of Israel cease
from being a nation before me forever.”


37 Thus says the Lord:
“If the heavens above can be measured,
and the foundations of the earth below can be explored,
then I will cast off all the offspring of Israel
for all that they have done,
declares the Lord.”
 
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Jeremiah 31:35

Thus says the Lord,
who gives the sun for light by day
and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night,
who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—
the Lord of hosts is his name:
36 “If this fixed order departs
from before me, declares the Lord,
then shall the offspring of Israel cease
from being a nation before me forever.”


37 Thus says the Lord:
“If the heavens above can be measured,
and the foundations of the earth below can be explored,
then I will cast off all the offspring of Israel
for all that they have done,
declares the Lord.”

Matthew 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
 
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Matthew 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Oh, I see. The Bible ISN'T inerrant.
 
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