A question for Old Earth Creationists

[RickG]

The Big Falsehood is that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, INSTEAD of what God told us in Genesis 2:4-7.

I don't criticize your belief, but just to set the record straight, biological classification lists humans as apes. That is the family of Hominidae, also known as great apes. In this family (apes) are chimpanzees, gorillas, humans and orangutans. It is nothing to get bent out of shape about, it is just a classification.

This is the Biggest Satanic Lie ever told and is ruining our children today. Jesus told us some would offend our little children and also told us of their certain Future: Mat 18:6 Here's hoping that YOU didn't participate in this Satanic teaching. God Bless you.

Well, I accept your opinion, but I disagree with it completely. Satanic, really?

In Love,
Aman[/quote]

 

[RickG]

Dear Rick, FYI, The name is Christian Forums. What you are looking for is a Godless Evol site.

So you are saying you don't want evolution discussed here, even though the CF has set up an entire forum specifically for that.

It takes a lot of gaul to come into a Christian Forum, which is nice enough to allow Godless views, and THINK that the site should allow ONLY Godless Scientists. You haven't been online for long. Have you? God Bless you.

You just might want to compare my join date with yours. May I ask your age?

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

The Big Falsehood is that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, INSTEAD of what God told us in Genesis 2:4-7.
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I don't criticize your belief, but just to set the record straight, biological classification lists humans as apes. That is the family of Hominidae, also known as great apes. In this family (apes) are chimpanzees, gorillas, humans and orangutans. It is nothing to get bent out of shape about, it is just a classification.

Dear Rick, I agree that man made Science has a classification system but God had one First. Here is the order:

On the 3rd Day, the first Human was formed of the dust. Gen 2:4-7 Adam was made BEFORE the plants, which grew on the 3rd Day, Gen 1:12 and BEFORE the Trees which grew AFTER Adam was made. Gen 2:8-9

With your understanding, tell us HOW Adam could have possibly evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, on our Planet, which is NOT where Adam, the first Human was made?

IOW, Your johnny come lately classification system is missing the FIRST creature made, and that was Adam, and he could NOT have evolved from ANY other creature. Can you tell us HOW your system missed this?

This is the Biggest Satanic Lie ever told and is ruining our children today. Jesus told us some would offend our little children and also told us of their certain Future: Mat 18:6 Here's hoping that YOU didn't participate in this Satanic teaching. God Bless you.
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Well, I accept your opinion, but I disagree with it completely. Satanic, really?

Sure. Evolution's false assumptions are being forced upon little children in Public Schools all over the world. There is nothing wrong with teaching of descent with modification, but Evols are going beyond that simple explanation. They are Falsely teaching that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, with NO evidence, except the concensus of other Evols. Have you ever heard of Circular Reasoning?

What is wrong is that Godless Evols are driving more nails into their Coffins every day, and they don't even know it. It's really pitiful to see so many people do Satan's work, and that's the only way such a travesty could happen world wide. Eph 6:12 Jesus tells us of the certain Future of those who offend our little ones, who believe in Jesus, and turn them to the Satanic view that they are nothing but evolved Apes.

Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in Me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Can you explain Reality any better? Help us save Godless Evols from their own false religious views. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[RickG]

Okay Aman777, let me see if I understand you correctly. I'll list a few things I think I understand you to say and if you would please, just state yes or no to them. Thanks.

1. You are an old earth creationist.
2. You believe in evolution for the most part.
3. You do not believe humans are a part of that evolution.

 

[Aman777]

So you are saying you don't want evolution discussed here, even though the CF has set up an entire forum specifically for that.

You just might want to compare my join date with yours. May I ask your age?

Dear Rick, No. I show that evolution, or changes within His kinds, happens everytime a baby is born. Please don't tell me that Evols don't measure evolution in individuals. I understand that Evols test genetic changes in a poplulation over time.

Must I remind you that it was you who came up with the idea that you wanted to discuss things only Scientifically. Science is only a part Truth. So is History. The AGREEMENT of Science, History and Scripture is a much higher standard, and that is what I seek, and show.

I was born again Spiritually 37 years ago, but I will Never die, thanks to Jesus. I've been online for some 18 years and that is what I was referring to. How long have you been online? Adam lived for Billions of years with Jesus BEFORE he was born again Spiritually. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Okay Aman777, let me see if I understand you correctly. I'll list a few things I think I understand you to say and if you would please, just state yes or no to them. Thanks.

1. You are an old earth creationist. YES
2. You believe in evolution for the most part. YES
3. You do not believe humans are a part of that evolution.

Dear Rick, NO, since Humans were made long BEFORE our Planet was made. Adam was made on the first Earth the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos. Gen 2:4-7 That means that Adam lived for some 13.5 Billion years, since Noah arrived in our world only some 10k years ago.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for Humans to have evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, because Humans were made Billions of years BEFORE any Ape or ANY other living creature. That's God's Truth.

Our Blood was contaminated by the blood of the sons of God (prehistoric people) who were already here when Noah arrived and brought Human civilization to this Planet of the descendants of the common ancestor of Apes. Genesis 6:1-5 explains. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[RickG]

Dear Rick, No. I show that evolution, or changes within His kinds, happens everytime a baby is born. Please don't tell me that Evols don't measure evolution in individuals. I understand that Evols test genetic changes in a poplulation over time.

Actually the theory of evolution states that populations evolve, not individuals.

Must I remind you that it was you who came up with the idea that you wanted to discuss things only Scientifically. Science is only a part Truth. So is History. The AGREEMENT of Science, History and Scripture is a much higher standard, and that is what I seek, and show.

Well, science is the orientation of this particular forum in the CF, therefore, I think it is only correct to stick to science. I'm not concerned whether you accept what the science says, rather I want you to understand what it says and not perceive an incorrect understanding of that.

I was born again Spiritually 37 years ago, but I will Never die, thanks to Jesus. I've been online for some 18 years and that is what I was referring to. How long have you been online? Adam lived for Billions of years with Jesus BEFORE he was born again Spiritually.

Well, I was kind of wondering what your physical age is. In other words, am I conversing with a teen, a young adult, mature adult, or an old geezer like me. I'll be 66 in August. I have been attending a Presbyterian Church as long as I can remember, say age 4 or 5. I've been a member since age 12. As for Adam's age, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you on that.

But, back on my question in my previous post, can you be a little more specific, because you did make the statement that you did believe in evolution. That is the fossil record was produced by evolution. Correct?

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually the theory of evolution states that populations evolve, not individuals.

Even with guided evolution?

 

[RickG]

Even with guided evolution?

Please define "guided evolution". I don't want to misinterpret your definition.

 

[AV1611VET]

Please define "guided evolution". I don't want to misinterpret your definition.

Theistic evolution.

 

[RickG]

Theistic evolution.

I come across several descriptions of theistic evolution and I don't think any one of those descriptions describes me entirely.

By theistic evolution, would you mean that God guided each step of evolution. Understand I'm not saying that is your belief. I just want to get the correct understanding.

 

[juvenissun]

You are the one who gave the sequence of events and ignored the out of order position of plants with relation to the sun. No goal shift at all. I just asked for an explanation of that. Would you like to provide one?

OK. Without dealing with the problem of the sun, the creation of plants on Day 3 does not interfere at all with what I suggested about the sequential creation. It simply means the plants are created before animals. I think it is an acceptable scientific conclusion so far.

 

[RickG]

OK. Without dealing with the problem of the sun, the creation of plants on Day 3 does not interfere at all with what I suggested about the sequential creation. It simply means the plants are created before animals. I think it is an acceptable scientific conclusion so far.

No, it is a big problem. How do you get fruit trees before the sun, and how do you get any kind of terrestrial life before marine life? That doesn't follow the science.

 

[Aman777]

No, it is a big problem. How do you get fruit trees before the sun, and how do you get any kind of terrestrial life before marine life? That doesn't follow the science.

Dear Rick, Sure it does IF you understand the Spiritual. Jesus is the Light of the first 3 Days of Creation. This includes the fruit trees which He made just AFTER He made Adam. Gen 2:8-9 I will be happy to show you Scripturally that Jesus is Literally brighter than the Noonday Sun, if you would like to see. Jesus also, IS the Light of New Jersalem in the Third Heaven, which is one city which would cover half of the United States in land area. Here's the sequence which agrees Scripturally, Scientifically, and Historically:

Day 3 The first Earth and other HeavenS are made. Gen 1:9-10 and Gen 2:4
Day 3 The first Human, Adam, is formed like a Potter molds the clay. Gen 2:4-7
Day 3 Plants and trees are made AFTER Adam is made. Gen 2:8-9

Remember that the Big Bang or the beginning of our Cosmos was one of the HeavenS made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4

Day 4 The FIRST Stars of the present world put forth their Light. Gen 1:16 Notice that Science has just recently learned that the First Stars putting forth light was Hundreds of Millions of years AFTER the Big Bang of the 3rd Day. This was ALSO after Adam, the first Human, was made on the first Earth.

Day 5 "EVERY living creature that moves" is created and brought from the WATER. Gen 1:21 Science shows that the cells within our bodies could NOT live without liquid water.

Day 6 Jesus makes the beasts of the earth and the fowl of the air, from the dust, and Adam names them. Gen 2:19 Jesus makes Eve from one of Adam's ribs Gen 2:22 showing that a little bone is also necessary, as well as the DNA and tissue of the host Human, in order to IMPROVE mankind by making a lovely creation as perfect as a woman.
Day 6 Adam and Eve are born again Spiritually, making them immortal Spiritual beings for the FIRST time. It takes the AGREEMENT of God (Elohim-the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) to make a New Creature in Christ or to "create mankind in His Image".

This brings us to TODAY since God is STILL creating Adam (Hebrew-mankind) in His Image, or in Christ, because we live today at Gen 1:27 and we will not advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth. That's God's Truth. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[bhsmte]

I agree and I would say the same about Dad and even ED. I feel that these really believe what they are saying no matter how confused and mixed up they seems to us.

These are not the ones I for whom I have concern. It is the ones that are deliberately and willfully dishonest in their defense of creationism.


Dizredux

Here is the typical deal with fundamentalists types of beliefs.

To protect them, one either has to; actually convince themselves their specific belief is true, or, they have to knowingly lie to protect their belief.

When it comes down to it, neither one is very good. The former can actually require deluded thinking and the latter requires blatant lying.

 

[RickG]

Dear Rick, Sure it does IF you understand the Spiritual. Jesus is the Light of the first 3 Days of Creation. This includes the fruit trees which He made just AFTER He made Adam. Gen 2:8-9 I will be happy to show you Scripturally that Jesus is Literally brighter than the Noonday Sun, if you would like to see. Jesus also, IS the Light of New Jersalem in the Third Heaven, which is one city which would cover half of the United States in land area. Here's the sequence which agrees Scripturally, Scientifically, and Historically:

Day 3 The first Earth and other HeavenS are made. Gen 1:9-10 and Gen 2:4
Day 3 The first Human, Adam, is formed like a Potter molds the clay. Gen 2:4-7
Day 3 Plants and trees are made AFTER Adam is made. Gen 2:8-9

Remember that the Big Bang or the beginning of our Cosmos was one of the HeavenS made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4

Day 4 The FIRST Stars of the present world put forth their Light. Gen 1:16 Notice that Science has just recently learned that the First Stars putting forth light was Hundreds of Millions of years AFTER the Big Bang of the 3rd Day. This was ALSO after Adam, the first Human, was made on the first Earth.

Day 5 "EVERY living creature that moves" is created and brought from the WATER. Gen 1:21 Science shows that the cells within our bodies could NOT live without liquid water.

Day 6 Jesus makes the beasts of the earth and the fowl of the air, from the dust, and Adam names them. Gen 2:19 Jesus makes Eve from one of Adam's ribs Gen 2:22 showing that a little bone is also necessary, as well as the DNA and tissue of the host Human, in order to IMPROVE mankind by making a lovely creation as perfect as a woman.
Day 6 Adam and Eve are born again Spiritually, making them immortal Spiritual beings for the FIRST time. It takes the AGREEMENT of God (Elohim-the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) to make a New Creature in Christ or to "create mankind in His Image".

This brings us to TODAY since God is STILL creating Adam (Hebrew-mankind) in His Image, or in Christ, because we live today at Gen 1:27 and we will not advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth. That's God's Truth. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

You left science behind again Aman777. Let's start over again so we don't misunderstand one another.

You are an old earth creationist.

In your OEC view science is correct, including evolution, with the exception that God created man 6,000 years ago. Is that what you are saying?

 

[Aman777]

You left science behind again Aman777. Let's start over again so we don't misunderstand one another.

You are an old earth creationist.

In your OEC view science is correct, including evolution, with the exception that God created man 6,000 years ago. Is that what you are saying?

Dear Rick, No. Jesus "formed" man of the dust of the ground on the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos. Gen 2:4-7 This was some 8 Billion years BEFORE the present Earth, and our entire Solar System, was completely formed. God, the Trinity, "created" man in His Image or In Christ Spiritually, some 12k years ago. Do the math and you will find that Adam lived for some 13.5 Billion years BEFORE he was created Spiritually. Right? God Bless you.

Hint. To be formed is NOT the same as being CREATED.

In Love,
Aman

 

[RickG]

Dear Rick, No. Jesus "formed" man of the dust of the ground on the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos. Gen 2:4-7 This was some 8 Billion years BEFORE the present Earth, and our entire Solar System, was completely formed. God, the Trinity, "created" man in His Image or In Christ Spiritually, some 12k years ago. Do the math and you will find that Adam lived for some 13.5 Billion years BEFORE he was created Spiritually. Right? God Bless you.

Hint. To be formed is NOT the same as being CREATED.

In Love,
Aman

Okay Aman, I understand what you are saying, I just disagree with your opinion. Enough said.

 

[Aman777]

Okay Aman, I understand what you are saying, I just disagree with your opinion. Enough said.

Dear Rick, I see. You disagree, but find you cannot do it Scripturally, Scientifically nor Historically. That means that you have nothing to add to the discussion. Right? Online, we call it running away. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[RickG]

Dear Rick, I see. You disagree, but find you cannot do it Scripturally, Scientifically nor Historically. That means that you have nothing to add to the discussion. Right? Online, we call it running away. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Aman, like most Christians, I don't view the Genesis creation story as literal. That way, we don't have to make stuff to support a position that is not meant to be literal.