A question for Old Earth Creationists

[juvenissun]

You need to ask a paleobotanist, not me. My area of concentration was paleoclimatology. My interest would be in the sedimentary concentration of specific organisms and stable isotopes that provide information about the chemical composition of the oceans and atmosphere, as well as climate.

No need. My link answered the question. There ARE many flowering plants in the sea. I guess the "seeds" are their pollens. It is just a guess, but I think there should be some sea plants that produce "fruits" too.

 

[PsychoSarah]

No need. My link answered the question. There ARE many flowering plants in the sea. I guess the "seeds" are their pollens. It is just a guess, but I think there should be some sea plants that produce "fruits" too.

Technically any structure that holds seeds which isn't the seeds themselves is the fruit of a plant.

 

[RickG]

No need. My link answered the question. There ARE many flowering plants in the sea. I guess the "seeds" are their pollens. It is just a guess, but I think there should be some sea plants that produce "fruits" too.

That's not what God said. Here, for your reading pleasure:

"Genesis 1
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good."


God is not talking about anything having to do with marine flora there. Your order also falls out of place with the sequence of fossilized plants.

 

[RickG]

God makes them out of clay(?)

I'm asking you. Did they evolve or just pop into existence at the right place and time to demonstrate evolution.

 

[juvenissun]

I'm asking you. Did they evolve or just pop into existence at the right place and time to demonstrate evolution.

The question is a trap. No answer for that.

 

[juvenissun]

That's not what God said. Here, for your reading pleasure:

"Genesis 1
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good."


God is not talking about anything having to do with marine flora there. Your order also falls out of place with the sequence of fossilized plants.

God does not say marine flora is not included either.

 

[juvenissun]

Technically any structure that holds seeds which isn't the seeds themselves is the fruit of a plant.

Good. Tell it to RickG.

 

[RickG]

God does not say marine flora is not included either.

Doesn't matter, we know marine flora preceded terrestrial flora. That is the problem. The bible specifically describes terrestrial flora. And again, never mind there was no sun.

 

[RickG]

The question is a trap. No answer for that.

It's not a trap. There are only two explanations, evolution or it all popped into existence in just the right place and time to demonstrate evolution.

So which is it?

 

[juvenissun]

It's not a trap. There are only two explanations, evolution or it all popped into existence in just the right place and time to demonstrate evolution.

So which is it?

Both choices are for evolution. What if it is not for evolution?

 

[RickG]

Good. Tell it to RickG.

And that would be ignoring what Genesis describes. And I would question that seeds are fruit anyway. Fruit contains seed(s). Do seeds contain seeds?

 

[juvenissun]

Doesn't matter, we know marine flora preceded terrestrial flora. That is the problem. The bible specifically describes terrestrial flora. And again, never mind there was no sun.

Where does the Bible specifically describes "terrestrial" flora?

 

[RickG]

Both choices are for evolution. What if it is not for evolution?

Popped into existence is not evolution.

 

[Aman777]

That's not what God said. Here, for your reading pleasure:

"Genesis 1
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good."

God is not talking about anything having to do with marine flora there. Your order also falls out of place with the sequence of fossilized plants.

Dear Readers, Some don't know that the above verses are speaking of Adam's Earth and NOT the present Earth. On the first Earth, Adam was made BEFORE the plants and herbs which grew on the THIRD Day, Gen 2:4-7 as the next verse shows.

Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

When you try to inform these people that the FIRST Stars of our Cosmos did NOT form and put forth light until the FOURTH Day, Gen 1:16, they disagree, and hide from a discssion of what is actually written, and try to turn God's Truth into Allegory, Fable, and Fiction.

Also notice that God is speaking of His kind, which is the kind which Jesus made with His Own Hands. Those who hide from Scriptural Debate find it impossible to tell us the difference between His kinds and Their kinds, thus invalidating their understanding of the story of the Creation. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[RickG]

FTW Aman, you are on my ignore list. When you decide to actually discuss some science I will respond to your post, but not until then.

 

[juvenissun]

And that would be ignoring what Genesis describes. And I would question that seeds are fruit anyway. Fruit contains seed(s). Do seeds contain seeds?

If there are seeds, then there must be fruits. Simple logic. Sigh!
If you do not have anything better to argue, you can simply be quiet. Silly argument won't make you look good at all.

 

[juvenissun]

Popped into existence is not evolution.

If so, how could it be used to demonstrate evolution.
I am getting mad with you by playing this cheap dirty trick. You should not do that.

 

[Aman777]

FTW Aman, you are on my ignore list. When you decide to actually discuss some science I will respond to your post, but not until then.

Dear Readers, Some continue to hide while thinking that they know more than God. They actually believe that they know what happened BEFORE the Big Bang because they are so smart Scientifically. When you inform them that the ONLY Science before the Big Bang was God's Science, they hide in the tall grass and ignore God's Truth since it destroys their UnBelieving worldview.

Let's hope that these people quit hiding and actually face the Truth BEFORE they are hit with God's Truth at the Judgment, since that involves teeth gnashing, weeping, wailing, and all sorts of terrible things. Mat 13:42

BTW, Someone should tell Rick that I haven't corresponded with him for a long time. This post is to "Dear Readers". It's because of Rick's Fictional view of Scripture which allows him to believe whatever he wants. How can you debate someone who makes it up as they go, and CLAIMS that is what the Bible means, in his Fantasy Land view. God Bless all of you and especially those who are currently hiding from God's Truth.

In Love,
Aman

 

[RickG]

If so, how could it be used to demonstrate evolution.

It demonstrates evolution because the fossil record describes evolution. You know, oldest simplistic organisms proceed by increasingly younger and more complex organisms; extinction events wiping out most life forms and giving rise to new and more diverse organisms. That's how.

I am getting mad with you by playing this cheap dirty trick. You should not do that.

The only trick is demonstrating evolution is either real or, if not, everything just popped into place at just the right time and place in the geologic column . There are no other choices.

 

[RickG]

If there are seeds, then there must be fruits. Simple logic. Sigh!
If you do not have anything better to argue, you can simply be quiet. Silly argument won't make you look good at all.

Nope, they are different.

Seed and Fruits