A question for Old Earth Creationists

[Loudmouth]

Dear Rick, I see. You disagree, but find you cannot do it Scripturally, Scientifically nor Historically. That means that you have nothing to add to the discussion. Right? Online, we call it running away. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Was Aesop's fable of the Tortois and the Hare scientific and historical? Was Aesop trying to claim that animals talk, and participate in races?

 

[juvenissun]

No, it is a big problem. How do you get fruit trees before the sun, and how do you get any kind of terrestrial life before marine life? That doesn't follow the science.

What are you talking about? Are you still talking about science? Has what ...777 said already confused you so badly? You DON'T get that.

How to get fruit without the sun is not related to the OP. On the earth, we do not have this problem.

 

[RickG]

What are you talking about? Are you still talking about science? Has what ...777 said already confused you so badly? You DON'T get that.

How to get fruit without the sun is not related to the OP. On the earth, we do not have this problem.

More obfuscation. The question I asked was addressed to you Juve and I will ask it again.

You claim science is correct with respect to the bible on the creation sequence. Please explain how flowering fruit trees on land appeared before marine life.

 

[justlookinla]

More obfuscation. The question I asked was addressed to you Juve and I will ask it again.

You claim science is correct with respect to the bible on the creation sequence. Please explain how flowering fruit trees on land appeared before marine life.

Why would they not?

 

[RickG]

Why would they not?

We have 3 Ga of marine life fossils and less than 500 Ma of terrestrial fossil life and half that for flowering plants. That's why not.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/282/5394/1692.short

 

[AV1611VET]

I remember an education course I took in grad school where the altering of story telling was demonstrated. Ten students were sent into the hall so they could not hear a short story that was read to the remaining students. One person was called and read the same story. From that point on the first person had to tell the next person that was called in to repeat the story, and so on. It didn't even have to go through all ten for the story to be completely different. Think about it.

What do you think I meant, when I said "Arab phone"?

It's done here by you guys on an almost quo tidian basis.

And I'm not hesitant to point it out, either.

 

[RickG]

What do you think I meant, when I said "Arab phone"?

I don't know. Racial slur?

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't know. Racial slur?

Oh, please.

Arab Phone, Chinese Whispers, Grapevine, Telephone Game = all the same.

Ever play Chinese checkers or order an Italian sub?

Stuff like this is why I have to spend 5 minutes explaining myself every time I go to McDonald's and order Freedom fries.

They act like they never heard of them.

 

[HitchSlap]

Oh, please.

Arab Phone, Chinese Whispers, Grapevine, Telephone Game = all the same.

Ever play Chinese checkers or order an Italian sub?

Stuff like this is why I have to spend 5 minutes explaining myself every time I go to McDonald's and order Freedom fries.

They act like they never heard of them.

You might be comfortable with your personal racist views, but don't feign ignorance when those of us who aren't, call you on it.

 

[AV1611VET]

You might be comfortable with your personal racist views, but don't feign ignorance when those of us who aren't, call you on it.

Now who's being racist!?

 

[Strathos]

I have a feeling they know exactly what you mean but are just yanking your chain

 

[AV1611VET]

I have a feeling they know exactly what you mean but are just yanking your chain

Me too.

QV please: 1

 

[juvenissun]

More obfuscation. The question I asked was addressed to you Juve and I will ask it again.

You claim science is correct with respect to the bible on the creation sequence. Please explain how flowering fruit trees on land appeared before marine life.

What to explain? They did not. What is wrong with that? (But, yes, plants are still created on Day 3, which is earlier than Day 5. There is no contradiction about it)

This question is similar to one someone asked before: Why is there no pig fossil before dinosaurs? The answer is simple, pig was not created at that time.

 

[juvenissun]

We have 3 Ga of marine life fossils and less than 500 Ma of terrestrial fossil life and half that for flowering plants. That's why not.

In Search of the First Flower: A Jurassic Angiosperm, Archaefructus, from Northeast China

I am not a botanist, so may be you know the answer of this question:
How does marine plants repopulate? Do they do that through seeds? Do they flowering (may be in a strange way)?

Edit: I am interested in this question. So, I am not waiting for you. The answer should be Yes: Link

 

[RickG]

What to explain? They did not. What is wrong with that? (But, yes, plants are still created on Day 3, which is earlier than Day 5. There is no contradiction about it)

Terrestrial plants, especially flowering plants did not precede marine life, plant or animal. Not to mention without the sun. It does not follow science as you claim..

This question is similar to one someone asked before: Why is there no pig fossil before dinosaurs? The answer is simple, pig was not created at that time.

You mean pigs had not evolved at that time. However, there were mammals during the time of the dinosaurs.

 

[juvenissun]

Terrestrial plants, especially flowering plants did not precede marine life, plant or animal. Not to mention without the sun. It does not follow science as you claim..

You mean pigs had not evolved at that time. However, there were mammals during the time of the dinosaurs.

No. I mean pig was not "created" at that time. In general, mammals are created later than dinosaurs.
I see no problem on that in the Bible.

(I think it is, after all, quite difficult to educate a person on a new idea. You still not catching up with what I said on page 5. What we talked about above is only the FIRST step of the whole problem. But I think to you, it is already at the end of your concern.)

 

[RickG]

I am not a botanist, so may be you know the answer of this question:
How does marine plants repopulate? Do they do that through seeds? Do they flowering (may be in a strange way)?

You need to ask a paleobotanist, not me. My area of concentration was paleoclimatology. My interest would be in the sedimentary concentration of specific organisms and stable isotopes that provide information about the chemical composition of the oceans and atmosphere, as well as climate.

 

[RickG]

No. I mean pig was not "created" at that time. In general, mammals are created later than dinosaurs.
I see no problem on that in the Bible.

(I think it is, after all, quite difficult to educate a person on a new idea. You still not catching up with what I said on page 5. What we talked about above is only the FIRST step of the whole problem. But I think to you, it is already at the end of your concern.)

What do you mean by created? Just popped into existence?

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Loudmouth, Leave it to an unbeliever to get a man's words confused with God's Holy Word.
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Can you really say that with a straight face? I bet you can't.

You do realize that the Bible was written by men, don't you?

Dear Loudmouth, It is IMPOSSIBLE for Genesis to have been authored by men, since we still don't understand that God tells us that we live in a Multiverse. No ancient man could have possibly know this.

And No ancient man could have possibly known these Facts because ONLY God knew this, thousands of years ago:

That all matter is composed of air, dust, and water. Gen 1:1-2
That the Big Bang was on the THIRD Day. Gen 2:4
That the first Human was made Billions of years BEFORE Apes. Gen 2:4-7
That Adam was made BEFORE the first Stars of our Universe. Gen 1:16
That the first Stars did NOT put forth light until long AFTER the Big Bang. Gen 1:16
That every living creature that moves came forth from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21 This happened on Adam's Earth and Planet Earth
That the sons of God (prehistoric people) could produce children with Adam's Human descendants. Gen 6:1-4
That the sons of God (prehistoric people) were CHANGED into humans when they inherited the Human intelligence of Adam Gen 6:4
That this spread of humanity happened on the first Earth and also after that as was fortold, on Planet Earth. Gen 6:4
That History agrees with Scripture and shows that the FIRST Human cities, on this planet, were built by Noah's great grandson, with a prehistoric woman as his mother.

All of the above is in direct contradiction with the False Theory of Evolution, which is nothing but a Satanic Falsehood. Humans were made Billions of years before the common ancestor of Apes appeared, making it Impossible for Humans to have evolved from Apes. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[juvenissun]

What do you mean by created? Just popped into existence?

God makes them out of clay(?)