A question about Job.

[GenemZ]

Job's heart was right with God before this began. THat's why God chose him. During this ordeal, Job did not sin. He was questioning why God, Who controls ALL things was "allowing" it.

There were times he was tempted and he did not sin. But when it states that Job did not sin in what he did? That ended in chapter 2.

He was left in the dark about it. He was near death. There was no sweet peace that Job had in God before this occurred. He was without God's comfort. He was asking why. He knew it wasn't because of something he had done, because he KNEW GOD.

That still did not remove from him the capacity to sin. To get self righteous in a moment of weakness.

He knew there must be a reason, he just didn't know what it was, and he was near death in the worst possible way, and so beaten down that he was reeling from the assaults on him by his "friends" who were being used of satan to let him have it.

Satan all along was seeing that being placed under suffering is no excuse for cursing God to His face. Job was being hit from all sides by injustice and unfairness. Job knew all along that God was controlling what was happening.

The point of it all was beyond Job. Job did not know that.

That is what testing is. Only the mature believer can face the kind of testing Job was allowed to endure. On different levels of maturity God will only allow for so much to happen.

Picture, if you will, the details of, just for now, Job's "physical" suffering. How might that be described, in detail?

Why do you think Job is written about in the Bible? What he faces was exceptional. He was the Bill Gates of his era. He was what we today would call a billionaire. Many fail to see how blessed of God Job had been.

Those who are given much, much will be required of them. I am not speaking of his personal wealth. His wealth only reflected (in his case) as to how much maturity he had developed with his walk with God. Abraham was another multi millionaire. So was David!

 

[brinny]

There were times he was tempted and he did not sin. But when it states that Job did not sin in what he did? That ended in chapter 2.




That still did not remove from him the capacity to sin. To get self righteous in a moment of weakness.




Satan all along was seeing that being placed under suffering is no excuse for cursing God to His face. Job was being hit from all sides by injustice and unfairness. Job knew all along that God was controlling what was happening.



That is what testing is. Only the mature believer can face the kind of testing Job was allowed to endure. On different levels of maturity God will only allow for so much to happen.



Why do you think Job is written about in the Bible? What he faces was exceptional. He was the Bill Gates of his era. He was what we today would call a billionaire. Many fail to see how blessed of God Job had been.

Those who are given much, much will be required of them. I am not speaking of his personal wealth. His wealth only reflected (in his case) as to how much maturity he had developed with his walk with God. Abraham was another multi millionaire. So was David!

His physical suffering, and the circumstances surrounding him...how might that appear? (his physical condition, in detail, and the circumstances surrounding him as he sat at the trash heap).

 

[GenemZ]

His physical suffering, and the circumstances surrounding him...how might that appear? (his physical condition, in detail, and the circumstances surrounding him as he sat at the trash heap).

That was a half question.

"How might that appear?" In what way? To whom?

It was a horrendous situation to be in. But, that's obvious.

Curious... Do you have a personal sense of destiny for your life?



Grace and peace to Brinny...

 

[brinny]

That was a half question.

"How might that appear?" In what way? To whom?

It was a horrendous situation to be in. But, that's obvious.

Curious... Do you have a personal sense of destiny for your life?



Grace and peace to Brinny...

Can you picture yourself in Job's place?

And yes, i have a sense of confidence that God holds surely, my future, now more than ever. Why do you ask?

 

[GenemZ]

Can you picture yourself in Job's place?

Is it for sale? How many acres?

And yes, i have a sense of confidence that God holds surely, my future, now more than ever. Why do you ask?

That comes from the Spirit.

 

[brinny]

....what i meant was Job, in sack cloth and ashes, and according to the description of the sores all over him and their oozing thereof......sounds like his sack cloth was adhered to his skin because of the continual oozing from them. .i'm assuming that he was by the trash heap because he had no "place" to live at that time.

 

[GenemZ]

....what i meant was Job, in sack cloth and ashes, and according to the description of the sores all over him and their oozing thereof......sounds like his sack cloth was adhered to his skin because of the continual oozing from them. .i'm assuming that he was by the trash heap because he had no "place" to live at that time.

And? How would you feel in his place? Why are you even asking?

Or, is it you just want me to simply picture myself in his place? I just did. I pictured Obama getting elected a third term.

 

[brinny]

yes, i was asking you to picture yourself in Job's place.....what does the Bible say about the sores on Job's body, or his going down in weight to where his bones were protruding, and the maggots and dogs licking his sores, and his being spit at, and his terrors at night so that he could not sleep...in addition, what state of mind do you think he was in?

 

[Manford]

I dont think God punished them or anything. he just rebuked them for their ignorance. I am sure after seeing and hearing from him in a storm cloud, he didn't have to many more problems from them or job (who excessive complained as well by the way, even though he was considered righteous by God)

 

[GenemZ]

yes, i was asking you to picture yourself in Job's place.....what does the Bible say about the sores on Job's body, or his going down in weight to where his bones were protruding, and the maggots and dogs licking his sores, and his being spit at, and his terrors at night so that he could not sleep...in addition, what state of mind do you think he was in?

I must ask myself why you need to ask this...

You just described what Job was going through in pretty vivid detail.
And? You then need to ask me what he might have felt like?

Can someone who is not psychotic, know what psychosis feels like? Can a person who never gets migraines, know what its like to have one? WHY are you asking me this? Do I have "Job" written on my drivers license?

All I know is this. What ever suffering God assigns (to those whom he picks for evidence testing) .. his/her suffering will be custom made for that soul. God knows your unique soul perfectly.

I can not really know what Job actually felt like. But, I can think of the times I suffered and relate to him in that manner.

Take a look in warfare as an example. Same battle. Men are wounded. Each soldier responds (or reacts) to his pain and suffering that follows in different ways while in recovery. If he is a mature believer? What will make the difference is how he is able to THINK with in his heart. Not, how he "feels." Feelings can not think. Those suffering devoid of truth suffer from what I call - "doubled suffering."

Are there any more questions? There is a line growing behind you, and your hamburgers are getting cold.

Grace and peace to Brinny.

 

[GenemZ]

I dont think God punished them or anything. he just rebuked them for their ignorance. I am sure after seeing and hearing from him in a storm cloud, he didn't have to many more problems from them or job (who excessive complained as well by the way, even though he was considered righteous by God)

Paul was righteous. Yet? He went to Jerusalem when he should have been heading for Rome. As a result, he came within an inch of losing his life after he went back into practicing Judaism under the Law. The very thing he had condemned in Galatians.

David was righteous. Yet? He committed both murder and adultery concerning Bathsheba.

Moses was righteous. But he was denied by God entering the promised land, because of his disobedience when he struck the rock, rather than speaking to the rock as he was told to.

And... Job was righteous.

Our righteousness comes from God by believing. By having faith. Faith comes by hearing the Word of God being taught and believing it in our heart. Not from being somehow, perfect and sinless. If we grow in grace and knowledge of God's Word? Our righteousness experientially grows in how we experience God's life we find ourselves walking into by faith.

 

[brinny]

I dont think God punished them or anything. he just rebuked them for their ignorance. I am sure after seeing and hearing from him in a storm cloud, he didn't have to many more problems from them or job (who excessive complained as well by the way, even though he was considered righteous by God)

Job's friends? God was going to let them have it, and would pardon them only if Job prayed for them. They sinned BIG TIME.

Job "complained" excessively?

Would you be able to put yourself in his place? What would you do?

 

[brinny]

I must ask myself why you need to ask this...

You just described what Job was going through in pretty vivid detail.
And? You then need to ask me what he might have felt like?

Can someone who is not psychotic, know what psychosis feels like? Can a person who never gets migraines, know what its like to have one? WHY are you asking me this? Do I have "Job" written on my drivers license?

All I know is this. What ever suffering God assigns (to those whom he picks for evidence testing) .. his/her suffering will be custom made for that soul. God knows your unique soul perfectly.

I can not really know what Job actually felt like. But, I can think of the times I suffered and relate to him in that manner.

Take a look in warfare as an example. Same battle. Men are wounded. Each soldier responds (or reacts) to his pain and suffering that follows in different ways while in recovery. If he is a mature believer? What will make the difference is how he is able to THINK with in his heart. Not, how he "feels." Feelings can not think. Those suffering devoid of truth suffer from what I call - "doubled suffering."

Are there any more questions? There is a line growing behind you, and your hamburgers are getting cold.

Grace and peace to Brinny.

I was asking you to put yourself in Job's place. What would you do?

 

[GenemZ]

Job "complained" excessively?

Would you be able to put yourself in his place? What would you do?

I do not know what I would do. But...

Isaiah 53:7

He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.

Peter requested to be crucified upside down by his oppressors. Peter felt unworthy to hang on a cross like his Lord had.
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[brinny]

What would you do?

 

[GenemZ]

What would you do?

Wrong number. You need to call God on that one.

You can not know. I was held up at gun point by two men. I had great peace while it happened.

Could I have known before?

Trust God and keep on growing in truth. Never stop!

When you do? God will surprise you with what you could not have imagined.

 

[brinny]

I'm asking you, fellow Christian and son of the Most High God.

 

[brinny]

the more i read about Job, the more he, and other men of God become endearing to me. I can get a better picture of their actual journey with God. I see, in their obedience, in each step they take, glimpses of God rejoicing over them with singing. I also see the necessity of prayer for each other, and for those out in the trenches risking ev'rything for the God they love. And getting back to Job.....recently i have heard several preachers and teachers pick him apart, immune it seems to the horror he was experiencing, and in the dark, without a shred of indication why it was happening. Yet, he NEVER cursed God, nor rejected Him nor turned his back on God. He never sinned during any of it. he merely, in his agonies, questioned why God allowed all of this to assault him in too many ways to count. He KNEW that God controlled EVERYTHING. He was questioning the One Who was able to control all that was continually coming against him.

My question to the preachers and teachers who pick apart Job is, "what would you do if you were in Job's place.?"

As a believer, we learn...to ALWAYS pray for our brothers and sisters, especially in their troubles, suffering, sickness. And if one has ever suffered, and/or been in the fiery furnace of affliction, one NEVER wishes suffering or hardship or inexplicable, inconsolable pain on another, including our enemies. We never ever put the sufferer under a microscope and pick them to pieces. Compassion comes into play, and a mooooving of one's heart and mind and spirit on their behalf.

We are the "Body" of Christ. Jesus Christ meant it when He defined us as the bonafide Body of Christ. We cannot be "disconnected" from a brother or sister going through inexplicable agonies. Job wasn't able to explain why this was happening. So his friends filled in the blanks with accusations, badgering Job in the midst of his travails of unbelieveable suffering, to admit his sins. Not ONE of them put theirself in Job's place or even offered "prayer" or any consolation or response that meant Job well. It reminds me of a phrase i heard a while back (or was it a book?) It was called "Why Do Christians Shoot Their Wounded?".

We are the fer-real Body of Christ. We're all in this together.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
What would you do?

Wrong number. You need to call God on that one.

You can not know. I was held up at gun point by two men. I had great peace while it happened.

Could I have known before?

Trust God and keep on growing in truth. Never stop!

When you do? God will surprise you with what you could not have imagined.

i didn't see your entire answer....

Although it is a serious challenge and traumatic what happened to you, it was not a series of "dominoes" falling, one after the other until you were covered with atrocious sores that oozed and there were worms in them, after having lost his children tragically and everything he knew, as his wife turned on him, while 3, then 4 friends barraged and harassed him while he sat there in indescribable misery. This is only the tip of the ice berg. This continued relentlessly.

Could you put yourself in Job's place?

 

[astein]

God loves Job.