A question about Job.

[GenemZ]

After God restores Job, what happens to his wife and his three friends?

What happened... The Lord had Job forgive his friends.

Job 42:7-11
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7 After the Lord had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has. 8 So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has.” 9 So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite did what the Lord told them; and the Lord accepted Job’s prayer.


10 After Job had prayed for his friends, the Lord restored his fortunes and gave him twice as much as he had before. 11 All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the Lord had brought on him, and each one gave him a piece of silver and a gold ring.
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And, Job had no problem forgiving his wife...

Job 42:12-15​

12 The Lord blessed the latter part of Job’s life more than the former part. He had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys. 13 And he also had seven sons and three daughters. 14 The first daughter he named Jemimah, the second Keziah and the third Keren-Happuch. 15 Nowhere in all the land were there found women as beautiful as Job’s daughters, and their father granted them an inheritance along with their brothers.


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Job's first children, he was always performing sacrifices for them because he feared there was sinning. Evidently, the Lord took away those children, and gave Job more children who were to be blessed immensely.


Grace and peace!

 

[brinny]

Thank you. I appreciate your input. I am currently studying Job. This will help as we get to that part of the study.

 

[GenemZ]

Originally Posted by brinny
I still have issues with her. She didn't suffer as badly as Job. I am still in the middle of the study however, and i have much to learn. Thank you for your input.

Look at Peter.. Jesus at one point called him "Satan." For, Peter was being used by Satan. Did Jesus forgive Peter? YES!

Now.. Job's wife, whom he loved.

Job 2:9-10
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9 His wife said to him, “Are you still maintaining your integrity? Curse God and die!”
10 He replied, “You are talking like a foolish woman. Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?”
In all this, Job did not sin in what he said.


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Notice.. Job was very careful in how he addressed his wife. He did not call her a fool. Instead, he said that she spoke "like" a fool. He was saying that she was not being herself. Job was also teaching her God's truth in his rebuke of her. He was also, inadvertently, calling Satan a fool. For, Satan had motivated Job's wife, just as Satan had motivated Peter against the Lord.

Matthew 16:22-23
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22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, “Oh no, Lord! This will never happen to You!”
23 But He turned and told Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me because you’re not thinking about God’s concerns, but man’s.”



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Job forgave his wife whom he loved. The Lord forgave Pete.



Grace and peace to the Brinny person!

 

[brinny]

Look at Peter.. Jesus at one point called him "Satan." For, Peter was being used by Satan. Did Jesus forgive Peter? YES!

Now.. Job's wife, whom he loved.

Job 2:9-10
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9 His wife said to him, “Are you still maintaining your integrity? Curse God and die!”
10 He replied, “You are talking like a foolish woman. Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?”
In all this, Job did not sin in what he said.


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Notice.. Job was very careful in how he addressed his wife. He did not call her a fool. Instead, he said that she spoke "like" a fool. He was saying that she was not being herself. Job was also teaching her God's truth in his rebuke of her. He was also, inadvertently, calling Satan a fool. For, Satan had motivated Job's wife, just as Satan had motivated Peter against the Lord.

Matthew 16:22-23
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22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, “Oh no, Lord! This will never happen to You!”
23 But He turned and told Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me because you’re not thinking about God’s concerns, but man’s.”



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Job forgave his wife whom he loved. The Lord forgave Pete.



Grace and peace to the Brinny person!

Bless yer heart my friend, but i must disagree. Jesus didn't call Peter Satan, he was speaking to Satan who was speaking through Peter. I still have much to study on and meditate on in reference to Job's wife. I'm more interested in her repentance to her husband who she kicked horribly when he was at his lowest and appeared to drop off the face of the earth and was nowhere to be found during the agonizing and inexplicable and suffering of body, mind, and spirit, relentlessly.

I started this thread because a beloved Bible teacher of mine, who i love dearly (he is no longer with us) has been criticizing Job and i've found myself speaking back to the radio...saying things like "say what? what did you just say about Job? No he didn't. You are sooooo wrong about this..."

It's a very difficult study. Job is one of those in the Bible who are misunderstood in the most puzzling of ways by many. I was dumbfounded that my beloved Bible teacher, McGee, could be so "off" about him.....it's a wonder i didn't fall off da chair when i was listening...

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Bless yer heart my friend, but i must disagree. Jesus didn't call Peter Satan, he was speaking to Satan who was speaking through Peter. I still have much to study on and meditate on in reference to Job's wife. I'm more interested in her repentance to her husband who she kicked horribly when he was at his lowest and appeared to drop off the face of the earth and was nowhere to be found during the agonizing and inexplicable and suffering of body, mind, and spirit, relentlessly.

I started this thread because a beloved Bible teacher of mine, who i love dearly (he is no longer with us) has been criticizing Job and i've found myself speaking back to the radio...saying things like "say what? what did you just say about Job? No he didn't. You are sooooo wrong about this..."

It's a very difficult study. Job is one of those in the Bible who are misunderstood in the most puzzling of ways by many. I was dumbfounded that my beloved Bible teacher, McGee, could be so "off" about him.....it's a wonder i didn't fall off da chair when i was listening...

McGee is off in other things as well. He is right on Jesus and salvation, but wrong totally on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and miracles for all the Church age in Jesus name....

 

[brinny]

McGee is off in other things as well. He is right on Jesus and salvation, but wrong totally on the Batism of the Holy Spirit and miracles for all the Church age in Jesus name....

i don't agree with him about ev'rything, but i'm edified in his breaking down of very difficult parts of the Bible for me....except here with Job.....i just have been sooo drawn to Job and all he endured (same with Jabez) that i find it hard to study this book.....i just feel so strongly that Job is misunderstood many times....i'm trying to understand and be objective as his friends, on top of ev'rything Job is and has been enduring, coming at him like this...

Thank you for your input. I appreciate your feedback.

 

[GenemZ]

Bless yer heart my friend, but i must disagree. Jesus didn't call Peter Satan, he was speaking to Satan who was speaking through Peter.

Is that what the Bible says? Brinny? Is that what the Bible says?


23 But He turned and told Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me because you’re not thinking about God’s concerns, but man’s.”

Yes, Jesus was talking to Satan. But, it was a warning to Peter as well. Just as Satan influenced Job's wife, so Satan did with Peter. Careful! For we must test the spirits... Don't deny what the Word says, please.


Here it is as it appears in Mark. Many believe Mark wrote what Peter told him for the writing of this Gospel.

Mark 8:33​

But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

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Jesus was warning Peter not to accept the appeal to human reasoning and emotion which is in defiance to what is the Truth. For, Peter did not like what Jesus said would happen. Satan appealed to Peter's emotions and swayed Peter to try to obstruct the Lord's will. We can all fall prey to this.. THAT WAS THE WARNING TO ALL OF US! We all can be swayed if we deny what it says in God's Word and decide to play editor with what is Written.

In a more accurate translation taken from my pastor teaching us from the Greek.

`But having wheeled around and having looked on His students/disciples, He (Jesus) rebuked/chided/'censored severely' [epitimao] Peter and says, "Get behind me, Satan because you do not have a mind for the things of God . . .but for the things of men."


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The rebuke was to Peter. You deny this? On what grounds?




Amplified translation...

Matthew 16:23
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But Jesus turned away from Peter and said to him, Get behind Me, Satan! You are in My way [an offense and a hindrance and a snare to Me]; for you are minding what partakes not of the nature and quality of God, but of men.
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That was a warning to all of us. Not just about Peter. Not just about Job's wife. We are in spiritual warfare. Unless we stick with the Word in accuracy.. we will take the Word in our mind and transform it to our own way of thinking. To what we would prefer it to mean.

By the way... My pastor and Vernon McGee were very good friends.

Grace and peace to Brinny... GeneZ

 

[brinny]

Is that what the Bible says? Brinny? Is that what the Bible says?


23 But He turned and told Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me because you’re not thinking about God’s concerns, but man’s.”

Yes, Jesus was talking to Satan. But, it was a warning to Peter as well. Just as Satan influenced Job's wife, so Satan did with Peter. Careful! For we must test the spirits... Don't deny what the Word says, please.


Here it is as it appears in Mark. Many believe Mark wrote what Peter told him for the writing of this Gospel.

Mark 8:33​

But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

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Jesus was warning Peter not to accept the appeal to human reasoning and emotion which is in defiance to what is the Truth. For, Peter did not like what Jesus said would happen. Satan appealed to Peter's emotions and swayed Peter to try to obstruct the Lord's will. We can all fall prey to this.. THAT WAS THE WARNING TO ALL OF US! We all can be swayed if we deny what it says in God's Word and decide to play editor with what is Written.

In a more accurate translation taken from my pastor teaching us from the Greek.

`But having wheeled around and having looked on His students/disciples, He (Jesus) rebuked/chided/'censored severely' [epitimao] Peter and says, "Get behind me, Satan because you do not have a mind for the things of God . . .but for the things of men."


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The rebuke was to Peter. You deny this? On what grounds?




Amplified translation...

Matthew 16:23
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But Jesus turned away from Peter and said to him, Get behind Me, Satan! You are in My way [an offense and a hindrance and a snare to Me]; for you are minding what partakes not of the nature and quality of God, but of men.
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That was a warning to all of us. Not just about Peter. Not just about Job's wife. We are in spiritual warfare. Unless we stick with the Word in accuracy.. we will take the Word in our mind and transform it to our own way of thinking. To what we would prefer it to mean.

By the way... My pastor and Vernon McGee were very good friends.

Grace and peace to Brinny... GeneZ

Well i'm not in a position to debate my friend...it's just my gut reaction....and i can see your point.....but i know "who" is behind all that any of us do, cuz we fight not against flesh and blood but against something much more insidious, if not unseen.....

i can see that Jesus was possibly addressing Peter himself in a moment of chastising and teaching, though.

Thanks for sharing. i always find your posts edifying. I don't always express myself well and sometimes i'm not clear on what i mean.

 

[GenemZ]

Well i'm not in a position to debate my friend...it's just my gut reaction....and i can see your point.....but i know "who" is behind all that any of us do, cuz we fight not against flesh and blood but against something much more insidious, if not unseen.....

It was a rebuke to Peter. Why? Peter's "gut" told him that what Satan sent his way was correct and a noble way to think and behave.

The words about Peter were written as a *warning* to us. Not just Peter. For we all must learn and gain, more and more, accurate understanding of God's Word, and not to follow our gut so much.

Not saying you. But, its the gut-feeling Christian who will become an enemy of the Cross. They deny what is actually written, and in their feelings, rewrite what is written to suit how they feel about the matter. That is exactly why Jesus said..

“Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves
and take up their cross daily and follow me." (Luke 9:23)



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Our 'gut' will tell us one thing we see as being right and be wrong. God's Word can be in direct opposition to how we feel on a matter. His ways are not our ways. His thoughts, are not our thoughts. If, we go by our gut? We will fail to become transformed into His likeness in how we think. We will remain with a human concept of Jesus. One that pleases our flesh, not God.

Join in following my example, brothers, and pay close attention to those
who are living this way, as you have us as an example. For many are living
(I have often told you about them but now tell you even with tears) as
enemies of the cross of Christ. Their end is destruction,
their god is the gut, and they glory in their shame.
Their minds are set on earthly things. (Philippians 3:17-19)



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Not saying you're there, Brinny. You're not. But we all share in a tendency that those in that passage refused to deal with. A refusal, when confronted by truth that is found to be personally distasteful. We must learn as we grow to accept these truths in order to please God. We, therefore must deny self, and take up our cross... *In our thinking!*

God's Word will (and must) offend us at times. There is no transformation taking place unless it does. Being confronted in that manner must demand that we become transformed in our thinking. Transformed away from the old comfort food (thinking), and into the new way which will bring us strength and power in God's plan for our lives.

For the flesh is antagonistic against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh.
And these are in open conflict - the one to the other -with the result that you
cannot do these thing if you desire to. (Galatians 5:17)



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Our worst enemy in finding God's will for our lives is one of willful ignorance of what the Word is actually saying. We compound that problem when we find ourselves letting our gut lead us, in our attempt to secure for ourselves God's will. It must come by God's grace, not our human-energy effort to change.

For the time will come when people will not put up with/endure/ tolerate
sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires (gut feeling), they will gather
around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want
to hear. (2 Timothy 4:3)



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Not that our gut will always be wrong mind you. A mind, having learned correction and possessed by truth - having gone through the mill of humiliation of discovering how wrong we were, after we just knew we had to be right. Then finding ourselves in the face of what the Word of God declares to be true? Such a mind has become a "gut' controlled by Divine thinking. Not, the other way around.

Transformation must be by walking in the Spirit and in Truth. A mind that reversed the direction of the human reasoning and feelings. Before the transformation, our gut wished to direct our mind. After transformation, our mind directs our gut.

Not that you needed to be told this. But, its always good to know that you already know.


The natural human process (spiritually speaking) causes men to end up with a spiritual beer gut in their thinking. With the divine process which God desires of the believer, ends up with having a healthy gut. Good red wine drank with what we eat (God's Word) helps keep our spiritual arteries clean and flowing with God's Word.



Now, where were we?

Oh, yes! Jesus rebuked Peter, not Satan. Jesus rebuked Peter to show Peter that he was capable of acting as Satan's spokesman.

We all need to know we are capable of being so used. The shield against it only comes from growing in knowledge and having an accurate understanding of God's Word! Think about it! The temptation of Christ? It consisted of Satan constantly distorting the intent of God's Word. God's Word! Likewise, gut followers distort God's Word when they reject knowledge that opposes the errors in their feelings/ thinking.

 

[brinny]

LOL! well i fear i may have been misunderstood again.....no, my "gut" does not guide me, but the Holy Spirit does.....at least that is what is happening more and more as i journey on.....

Here is what i KNOW from what is written in the beginning of the book of Job. He was a righteous man in God's eyes. What happened to him had NOTHING to do with a "punishment" or an "error" on his part. He was hit without warning by one heart-breaking catastrophe after another. And in all of this, God remained silent..and yes, there was a purpose in HIs silence, yet Job was left to suffer without the sweet fellowship with God that had been His strengthg, and he was, in essence, "comfortless", and at his lowest, his wife gives him a knock-out punch in the worst possible way, and then his friends come along and give him knock-out punches, one after the other.

I believe that satan was working through each of them to jab Job where it hurt the most, especially through his wife.

Those are my thoughts on this study thus far and why it is a difficult study for me.

 

[GenemZ]

LOL! well i fear i may have been misunderstood again.....no, my "gut" does not guide me, but the Holy Spirit does.....at least that is what is happening more and more as i journey on.....

Here is what i KNOW from what is written in the beginning of the book of Job. He was a righteous man in God's eyes. What happened to him had NOTHING to do with a "punishment" or an "error" on his part. He was hit without warning by one heart-breaking catastrophe after another. And in all of this, God remained silent..and yes, there was a purpose in HIs silence, yet Job was left to suffer without the sweet fellowship with God that had been His strengthg, and he was, in essence, "comfortless", and at his lowest, his wife gives him a knock-out punch in the worst possible way, and then his friends come along and give him knock-out punches, one after the other.

I believe that satan was working through each of them to jab Job where it hurt the most, especially through his wife.

Those are my thoughts on this study thus far and why it is a difficult study for me.

Seeing only that much should make it very difficult. Yes. We all enter into the study of Job with that perplexing reality standing in front of us.

You are having difficulty because you can only (so far) see what happened to Job in the beginning. But, have not seen why it happened.. how it was for God's glory, with Job's greater blessings to follow.

There is much more to it than you are looking over, and I am not sure that whoever is teaching it will be able to explain the real reason behind it. Its called "undeserved suffering." It takes place throughout history as God's means of resolving what some refer to as the resolving of the prehistoric angelic conflict.

Satan desired and requested to make a point in his appeal of his sentence by using Job to prove that he was not wrong about the Lord. Satan's request for Job was intended to be used to vindicate his own rejection of the Lord. Job was allowed to serve as evidence in Satan's appeal trial.

Enuf for the moment...

 

[brinny]

ohhhhhhhhh.....that makes sense......but how did you know that?

Well that's just galling, isn't it? Satan was created perfect and in spite of that, sinned....and not from temptation, because there was no one to tempt him, and not because of unbearable suffering, etc. because he was one of the highest angels, wasn't he?

He wanted to smear Job (if Job would've cursed God) in God's face, then?

I never thought of the bigger picture here...

Nobody's ever mentioned the "undeserved suffering".......THAT'S the key here, isn't it?

This has helped me enormously. Thank you.

 

[brinny]

this somehow ties into our journey in learning "counting everything as loss", doesn't it?

 

[astein]

A friend is a friend, regardless of end.

Satan attempted to tempt God. Job 2:3

 

[GenemZ]

ohhhhhhhhh.....that makes sense......but how did you know that?

Well that's just galling, isn't it? Satan was created perfect and in spite of that, sinned....and not from temptation, because there was no one to tempt him, and not because of unbearable suffering, etc. because he was one of the highest angels, wasn't he?

He wanted to smear Job (if Job would've cursed God) in God's face, then?

I never thought of the bigger picture here...

Nobody's ever mentioned the "undeserved suffering".......THAT'S the key here, isn't it?

This has helped me enormously. Thank you.

And have you [completely] forgotten the divine word of appeal and encouragement
in which you are reasoned with and addressed as sons? My son, do not think
lightly or scorn to submit to the correction and discipline of the Lord, nor
lose courage and give up and faint when you are reproved or corrected
by Him;

For the Lord corrects and disciplines everyone whom He loves, and He
punishes, even scourges, every son whom He accepts and welcomes to
His heart and cherishes. (Hebrews 12:5-6)



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We too soon forget?

God LOVED all the angels he created. He treated them like sons that they were. Lucifer was also a "son of God," just as all the angels of God were "sons of God."

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present
themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. (Job 1:6)


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God, treating Lucifer as a son, wanted Lucifer to repent after he began to go down the wrong path in his thinking towards God. God wanted Lucifer to change his arrogant way of thinking (repent) towards God and himself.

God, treated Lucifer was a son. He punished (caused great pain) to Lucifer as a means to snap Lucifer out of his self delusional dream-world. To show Lucifer that he was not as great as he thought he was. It was a designed humiliation to humble Lucifer. It was to show Lucifer that God was ultimately in control, not Lucifer. God was treating Lucifer like a son. A son who had done wrong. The Lord was punishing him in a desire to get Lucifer to repent, and to fully come back to God.

God caused Lucifer to suffer as a means to snap him out of his delusional thinking about his feelings of self importance.. to bring him back to reality. Just as when we suffer, we turn closer to God. Especially, if we realize we had wandered away from Him.

What did Lucifer do when he was being punished by God? Did he repent and return to God, as God desired? No... He stubbornly refused to. Not only refused. He CURSED the Lord to his face for his suffering!

Satan in delusion and denial, then claimed that he was JUSTIFIED in doing so. And, added to that, that any angel who suffered like he was made to? He too would have done the same thing! That anyone would curse God to His face, if God caused him to suffer that way.

Angels were watching all this take place between the Lord and their beloved Lucifer. Lucifer was greatly loved amongst the angels. They wondered if Satan were not telling the truth. That anyone made to suffer by God, as Lucifer had? That, they too, would have also CURSED the Lord to His face as well. It caused confusion in their minds and was a conflict that needed to be resolved.

There was great confusion in the camp of angels. There was now a conflict in their thinking about God. It needed to be resolved by God. For, no one could know in their limited understanding with certainty if Satan were lying, or actually telling the truth. This sort of thing was new to them. For, that had just come out of a world that had been perfect. That prior to that time? The thought of the concept of wrongdoing and punishment was unheard of. It was something they still needed to learn about. It was foreign to them.

Their perfect world ended when Satan and his angels decided they were capable of taking things into their own hands. They decided that they did not need God any longer. That they can be as God. The Lord God did not allow for that to stand.. PUNISHMENT began to bring them down to humility, with the desire for an outcome of repentance on their part.

God had a plan to resolve this conflict in thinking with the angels. He needed a means to show and teach all the angels that God was being just and fair in his treatment of Lucifer's wrongdoing.

The solution..

Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job?
No one else on earth is like him, a man of perfect integrity,
who fears God and turns away from evil.” (Job 1:8)



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Job: When it was all over? What did Satan have left in his defense? No more excuses! For, Satan had suffered from the hand of God because of actual wrongdoing. If he truly had remained faithful and loved God? Lucifer would have admitted his wrongdoing and repented.

Instead? Lucifer turned on God, and claimed justification for his hatred towards God. His justification? It was because of the punishment and pain he received.

But? As far as Job? He did not warrant any punishment! His was undeserved suffering! UNDESERVED! Job received horrendous suffering and pain that should have been associated with punishment for doing something terribly wrong!

In spite of that. Job, clinging to the true nature of God, refused to curse God to his face. Even under the crushing weight of horrible suffering that he did not deserve.

All the angels were watching and learning while that took place! That left Satan with what? What excuse now? He no longer could cling tenaciously to his old lie that excused him in self justifying his rejection of God! For, it was Job who proved him to be a liar. Not everyone who suffered like Lucifer was made to suffer, would have to curse God to His face!

Chances are, Job suffered by the hands of Satan, worse than Lucifer ever did from the hand of God.

To make matters worse for Satan, Job knew that his suffering was not because of any wrongdoing of his own. Then how much of an excuse was Satan left with who did deserved to be punished?

Before God and the angels, Satan was once more proven to be a self-absorbed - delusional liar. A liar against reality. Against God.

God had honored Job by choosing him as God's evidence to be presented in Satan's appeal trial. God knew that Job's love for Him was true. Job was given the honor of being used by God to reveal the truth of Who and What God really is.

After Job refused to curse God? And, only spoke well of God in spite of being wrongfully treated? Satan had to sliver out of the court room like a snake in the grass... knowing he was proven to be not justified in his prior excuse. Job's suffering, and love for God, just put Satan in a hole. One he is destined to be buried in.

Throughout history God will repeat at times this kind of undeserved suffering when he chooses, and only by means of the mature believer who's love for God is unshakable and beyond reproach.

All along history angels have watched mankind, and learned by the examples presented by mature believers, that Satan is really weak, though possessing great power. WEAK. Even though, he was given great powers by God. Just like certain politicians we see in power today. Having great power and loving themselves. Yet, weak and impotent to do any true good. For, without God's grace being with a person? We can do nothing that is truly good. Power alone is not the answer. Having God's power working in us is the only answer. That power is called "grace." Its both gentle and able to move mountains.


Grace and peace to Brinny!

 

[brinny]

And have you [completely] forgotten the divine word of appeal and encouragement
in which you are reasoned with and addressed as sons? My son, do not think
lightly or scorn to submit to the correction and discipline of the Lord, nor
lose courage and give up and faint when you are reproved or corrected
by Him;

For the Lord corrects and disciplines everyone whom He loves, and He
punishes, even scourges, every son whom He accepts and welcomes to
His heart and cherishes. (Hebrews 12:5-6)



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We too soon forget?

God LOVED all the angels he created. He treated them like sons that they were. Lucifer was also a "son of God," just as all the angels of God were "sons of God."

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present
themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. (Job 1:6)


​

God, treating Lucifer as a son, wanted Lucifer to repent after he began to go down the wrong path in his thinking towards God. God wanted Lucifer to change his arrogant way of thinking (repent) towards God and himself.

God, treated Lucifer was a son. He punished (caused great pain) to Lucifer as a means to snap Lucifer out of his self delusional dream-world. To show Lucifer that he was not as great as he thought he was. It was a designed humiliation to humble Lucifer. It was to show Lucifer that God was ultimately in control, not Lucifer. God was treating Lucifer like a son. A son who had done wrong. The Lord was punishing him in a desire to get Lucifer to repent, and to fully come back to God.

God caused Lucifer to suffer as a means to snap him out of his delusional thinking about his feelings of self importance.. to bring him back to reality. Just as when we suffer, we turn closer to God. Especially, if we realize we had wandered away from Him.

What did Lucifer do when he was being punished by God? Did he repent and return to God, as God desired? No... He stubbornly refused to. Not only refused. He CURSED the Lord to his face for his suffering!

Satan in delusion and denial, then claimed that he was JUSTIFIED in doing so. And, added to that, that any angel who suffered like he was made to? He too would have done the same thing! That anyone would curse God to His face, if God caused him to suffer that way.

Angels were watching all this take place between the Lord and their beloved Lucifer. Lucifer was greatly loved amongst the angels. They wondered if Satan were not telling the truth. That anyone made to suffer by God, as Lucifer had? That, they too, would have also CURSED the Lord to His face as well. It caused confusion in their minds and was a conflict that needed to be resolved.

There was great confusion in the camp of angels. There was now a conflict in their thinking about God. It needed to be resolved by God. For, no one could know in their limited understanding with certainty if Satan were lying, or actually telling the truth. This sort of thing was new to them. For, that had just come out of a world that had been perfect. That prior to that time? The thought of the concept of wrongdoing and punishment was unheard of. It was something they still needed to learn about. It was foreign to them.

Their perfect world ended when Satan and his angels decided they were capable of taking things into their own hands. They decided that they did not need God any longer. That they can be as God. The Lord God did not allow for that to stand.. PUNISHMENT began to bring them down to humility, with the desire for an outcome of repentance on their part.

God had a plan to resolve this conflict in thinking with the angels. He needed a means to show and teach all the angels that God was being just and fair in his treatment of Lucifer's wrongdoing.

The solution..

Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job?
No one else on earth is like him, a man of perfect integrity,
who fears God and turns away from evil.” (Job 1:8)



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Job: When it was all over? What did Satan have left in his defense? No more excuses! For, Satan had suffered from the hand of God because of actual wrongdoing. If he truly had remained faithful and loved God? Lucifer would have admitted his wrongdoing and repented.

Instead? Lucifer turned on God, and claimed justification for his hatred towards God. His justification? It was because of the punishment and pain he received.

But? As far as Job? He did not warrant any punishment! His was undeserved suffering! UNDESERVED! Job received horrendous suffering and pain that should have been associated with punishment for doing something terribly wrong!

In spite of that. Job, clinging to the true nature of God, refused to curse God to his face. Even under the crushing weight of horrible suffering that he did not deserve.

All the angels were watching and learning while that took place! That left Satan with what? What excuse now? He no longer could cling tenaciously to his old lie that excused him in self justifying his rejection of God! For, it was Job who proved him to be a liar. Not everyone who suffered like Lucifer was made to suffer, would have to curse God to His face!

Chances are, Job suffered by the hands of Satan, worse than Lucifer ever did from the hand of God.

To make matters worse for Satan, Job knew that his suffering was not because of any wrongdoing of his own. Then how much of an excuse was Satan left with who did deserved to be punished?

Before God and the angels, Satan was once more proven to be a self-absorbed - delusional liar. A liar against reality. Against God.

God had honored Job by choosing him as God's evidence to be presented in Satan's appeal trial. God knew that Job's love for Him was true. Job was given the honor of being used by God to reveal the truth of Who and What God really is.

After Job refused to curse God? And, only spoke well of God in spite of being wrongfully treated? Satan had to sliver out of the court room like a snake in the grass... knowing he was proven to be not justified in his prior excuse. Job's suffering, and love for God, just put Satan in a hole. One he is destined to be buried in.

Throughout history God will repeat at times this kind of undeserved suffering when he chooses, and only by means of the mature believer who's love for God is unshakable and beyond reproach.

All along history angels have watched mankind, and learned by the examples presented by mature believers, that Satan is really weak, though possessing great power. WEAK. Even though, he was given great powers by God. Just like certain politicians we see in power today. Having great power and loving themselves. Yet, weak and impotent to do any true good. For, without God's grace being with a person? We can do nothing that is truly good. Power alone is not the answer. Having God's power working in us is the only answer. That power is called "grace." Its both gentle and able to move mountains.


Grace and peace to Brinny!

Thank you. Where did you learn this? What i couldn't help wondering about as i read it, is, did Jesus die for Lucifer?

 

[brinny]

Today, J Vernon McGee compared Job to the Pharisee that prayed and said that he's thankful he's not as those sinners.

 

[brinny]

A friend is a friend, regardless of end.

Satan attempted to tempt God. Job 2:3

yes, it appears that way my friend.

 

[Rhamiel]

did you finish Job yet?

 

[brinny]

No, we covered chapter 31 today.