A question about Job.

[bmjackson]

Thank you for your input.....what i find astounding is that anyone might think it odd that Job would be depressed enough to want to die. There were other men of God who wanted to die as well. Weren't there?

Yes indeed, it is hard for a mortal man to bear it when the waters come into the soul. I would not call it depression as such - it has more to do with spiritual afflictions rather than those of the soul which all men are subject to. This level is suffering is in a different league.

 

[brinny]

Chapter I

"The Book of Job - Chapter 1" Bible Study at Faithful Word Baptist Church - YouTube

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by brinny

Thank you for your input.....what i find astounding is that anyone might think it odd that Job would be depressed enough to want to die.
There were other men of God who wanted to die as well. Weren't there?
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I find Revelation 9:6 an interesting correlation with that.

Rev 9:6
In those days men will seek death and will not find it;
they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.


The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

...............After this, Josephus, in the name of Titus, earnestly exhorted John and his adherents to surrender ; but the insolent rebel returned nothing but reproaches and imprecations, declaring his firm persuasion that Jerusalem, as it was GOD'S own city, could never be taken : thus literally fulfilling the declaration of Micah, that the Jews, in their extremity, notwithstanding their crimes, would presumptuously "lean upon the LORD, and say,

'Is not the LORD among us ? none evil can come upon us." (Micah iii. 11 )

Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen.

In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ; and had actually eaten one half thereof, when the soldiers, allured by tile smell of food, threatened her with instant death if she refused to discover it. 'Intimidated by this menace, she immediately produced the remains of her son, which petrified them with horror................

"Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but for yourselves and fur your children ;
for behold! the days are coming in which they shall say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the breasts that never gave suck." Luke xxiii. 29.

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[brinny]

thank you for those verses, and yes it is interesting that they wanted to die but could not....

i'm wondering about men of God who were so depressed they wanted to die....what'cha' got amigo?

 

[bmjackson]

I can't agree with this brother regarding perfection. The whole point of the wager between God and Satan was whether Job would sin or not. He did not, until God's presence left him. Then he fell into sin and he required answers from God.

 

[brinny]

I can't agree with this brother regarding perfection. The whole point of the wager between God and Satan was whether Job would sin or not. He did not, until God's presence left him. Then he fell into sin and he required answers from God.

which brother?

 

[bmjackson]

In those days men will seek death and will not find it;
they will desire to die, and death will flee from them

I don't believe that it is the same condition as Job found himself in. He did not seek to die because he had departed from God.

 

[bmjackson]

which brother?

Sorry I meant the pastor in the link.

 

[brinny]

ok thanks, and thank you for listening to the video....

 

[brinny]

now what the pastor said about "perfection"......yes, that's quite a study in itself, isn't it? Can you elaborate on why you do not agree with him?

Thank you kindly.

 

[bmjackson]

now what the pastor said about "perfection"......yes, that's quite a study in itself, isn't it? Can you elaborate on why you do not agree with him?

Thank you kindly.

Brinny, thank YOU for the thread and the pastor uses the verse "There is no man on earth without sin", but that can easily mean that at that time in Old Testament days there was none around, or that a man cannot be without sin in his whole life, which I agree with. But it seems to me that what God meant, what Job meant and what the 'friends' were denying Job of, was that he was walking without sin or holy. There were others in OT times who also were said to be holy men. Not that they were born like that or indeed were unable to fall from it, witness David, but at some point they were walking in holiness or complete obedience.

 

[brinny]

Aaaah, yes, thank you for your feedback sis.....ok, let's break this down.....

Was it God Who defined Job, or was it man?

 

[bmjackson]

Was it God Who defined Job, or was it man?

It was the truth so both, a man knows when he has no sin. His conscience confirms it, that is if he is in relationship with God. Paul confirms that his conscience was clean.

 

[brinny]

Thank you, you touched on a key point, and yes i agree about Paul....and it ties right into Job and his own conscience.

For the sake of this thread however, was it God Who defined Job or was it man?

 

[bmjackson]

Thank you, you touched on a key point, and yes i agree about Paul....and it ties right into Job and his own conscience.

For the sake of this thread however, was it God Who defined Job or was it man?

I think I have to say that it was God, undisputed by Satan and acknowledged by Job.

 

[brinny]

Aaah, thank you sis....and why do you say that?

 

[bmjackson]

Aaah, thank you sis....and why do you say that?

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8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

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So Satan is saying that Job is not really without sin, it is through selfish motivation that he is obedient. Is this what you are getting at sis?

 

[brinny]

Thank you sis....the verses you mentioned are amongst the hidden "treasures" in the book of Job....

was God saying that Job was without sin?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by brinny

Thank you for your input.....what i find astounding is that anyone might think it odd that Job would be depressed enough to want to die.
There were other men of God who wanted to die as well. Weren't there?
​

I find Revelation 9:6 an interesting correlation with that.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rev&c=9&v=6&t=NKJV#s=1176006

Rev 9:6
In those days men will seek death and will not find it;
they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen.
In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ; and had actually eaten one half thereof, when the soldiers, allured by tile smell of food, threatened her with instant death if she refused to discover it. 'Intimidated by this menace, she immediately produced the remains of her son, which petrified them with horror................

thank you for those verses, and yes it is interesting that they wanted to die but could not....

i'm wondering about men of God who were so depressed they wanted to die....what'cha' got amigo?

If you read the account of the divine destruction of Jerusalem and it's Temple, they were more distressed than depressed [Luke 21:23]

For myself, I believe Revelation is showing that destruction as prophecied by Jesus and the OT Prophets.....

Luk 21:23
“But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.


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[bmjackson]

Thank you sis....the verses you mentioned are amongst the hidden "treasures" in the book of Job....

was God saying that Job was without sin?

I believe that He was and not just saying what Job thought of himself. Is this what you think?