A persistent error soon becomes a serious heresy.

[Mike McK]

I chose it in this instance it because it's preferred by Catholics. As opposed to a "Protestant Bible".

I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel. Genesis 3:15 Douay-Rheims

Wow.

Yeah, it's pretty blasphemous.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Really? Because one says scripture is God-breathed, and another says scripture is the result of God speaking.

both say scripture, neither says "the word of God"

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Actually, the phrase is used to refer to both. In this case, it's talking about scripture.

Nope. That is not the case.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Now that's subdefudge.

You said it. Now you want to pretend that you didn't?

 

[ozso]

Oh dear, that is not what I typed. You need to read with better care.

ozso said:
So it means a spoken word that is apart from the written word? Too bad we'll never know what those words were since they were never written down.

Xeno.of.athens said:
You don't know them, that is clear. But we do.

 

[ozso]

You said it. Now you want to pretend that you didn't?

The subterfuge on you part was editing my post to alter the context.

 

[The Liturgist]

Myself and the learned @The Liturgist concluded it could be said the two are interchangeable.

Well, then @Xeno.of.athens presented an argument concerning revelation vs. the written word and that makes me much more on the fence, since it seems when referring to Scriptures the Bible uses the Greek word graphe for those cases.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

The subterfuge on you part was editing my post to alter the context.

I cut away the unnecessary verbiage.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Well, then @Xeno.of.athens presented an argument concerning revelation vs. the written word and that makes me much more on the fence, since it seems when referring to Scriptures the Bible uses the Greek word graphe for those cases.

All graphe is inspired, this is a significant theological proposition that is not exactly transferable to all logos. Protestants often confuse matters because they do not properly distinguish between what is said (or revealed) and what is written. Writing is a later step in the process of making what is revealed part of a record that can be passed across the generations without the need to invoke memory (anamnesis), it has both good and not so good implications, as was evident in the way that the Pharisees used graphe together with their teachings to evacuate the graphe of its true intended meaning. In this thread some among the Protestants have evacuated the scriptures of their meaning by treating "The Word" as "graphe" and thus opening the door to the heresy that this thread is combating, namely elevating the scriptures to the status of God.

 

[ozso]

I cut away the unnecessary verbiage.

Now you're being impolite again.

 

[ozso]

Well, then @Xeno.of.athens presented an argument concerning revelation vs. the written word and that makes me much more on the fence, since it seems when referring to Scriptures the Bible uses the Greek word graphe for those cases.

Well, that was a side issue. The main issue I believe we agreed upon is that calling scripture "the word of God" is not heresy, contrary to what the OP purports.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Now you're being impolite again.

it is not the case that every word in any given post written by you is relevant to the thread.

 

[ozso]

All graphe is inspired, this is a significant theological proposition that is not exactly transferable to all logos. Protestants often confuse matters because they do not properly distinguish between what is said (or revealed) and what is written.

Said or revealed by whom?

Writing is a later step in the process of making what is revealed part of a record that can be passed across the generations without the need to invoke memory (anamnesis), it has both good and not so good implications, as was evident in the way that the Pharisees used graphe together with their teachings to evacuate the graphe of its true intended meaning.

Ironically what you've described applies more to certain aspects of Catholic dogma.

In this thread some among the Protestants have evacuated the scriptures of their meaning by treating "The Word" as "graphe" and thus opening the door to the heresy that this thread is combating, namely elevating the scriptures to the status of God.

No, what they've said in the graph is from God and therefore of God.

 

[ozso]

it is not the case that every word in any given post written by you is relevant to the thread.

"show me these 38 times when "the word of God" undeniably means "scripture" in the NT"

"I can't do that because you're sure to deny it"

"Okay, good of you to admit it."

Obvious subterfuge on your part to change the context of what I said.

 

[ozso]

I see you've started a new thread on this subject: "the word of God" in sacred scripture

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

I see you've started a new thread on this subject: "the word of God" in sacred scripture

Yes, and one on scripture too.

 

[Clare73]

Take a second look

Revelation 19:11-13 LSB Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sits on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. (12) His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; having a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself, (13) and being clothed with a garment dipped in blood, His name is also called The Word of God.​

Prophecy is not didactics and is subject to more than one interpretation.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Prophecy is not didactics and is subject to more than one interpretation.

But English is words, and his name is "The Word of God", right?

 

[Clare73]

But English is words, and his name is "The Word of God", right?

Revelation is prophecy not spoken clearly but in riddles/dark sayings (Nu 12:6-8), subject to more than one interpretation, right?

I don't take my doctrine from prophetic riddles, I take it from apostolic didactics., where Jesus is the Word who is God (Jn 1:1) rather than the Word of God, which is Scripture (2 Tim 3:16, 2 Pe 1:20-21, Heb 4:2).

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Revelation is prophecy not spoken clearly but in riddles/dark sayings (Nu 12:6-8), subject to more than one interpretation, right?

I don't take my doctrine from prophetic riddles, I take it from apostolic didactics., where Jesus is the Word who is God (Jn 1:1) rather than the Word of God, which is Scripture (2 Tim 3:16, 2 Pe 1:20-21, Heb 4:2).

It astounds me what lengths you go to just so you do not have to admit that your earlier claims was wrong.