A persistent error soon becomes a serious heresy.

[Xeno.of.athens]

God, in the form of the Word, can not be used, deceitfully or not. Only written writing can be. It would appear that the above-quoted apostle did use "word of God" to refer to written writing.

Except that "word" in the verse means "spoken word" and not "written words".

 

[ozso]

That's the story Protestants tell themselves, it isn't really true. Scripture calls itself scrscripture.

Except for those 38 times in NT scripture when scripture is called the word of God.

 

[ozso]

Except that "word" in the verse means "spoken word" and not "written words".

So it means a spoken word that is apart from the written word? Too bad we'll never know what those words were since they were never written down.

 

[Mike McK]

That's the story Protestants tell themselves, it isn't really true.

Actually, it is. Scripture literally refers to itself as the Word of God.

Scripture calls itself scripture.

Sometimes. It also calls itself the Word of God.

 

[David Lamb]

In the Gospel according to saint John the Word is called God, he was with God in the beginning, and he made all things, in truth nothing that was made was made without him. He became flesh and dwelt among us; he is the one who has seen God because he is God the only Son.

Some people mistakenly call the holy scriptures "the Word of God". And because of this mistake a few have come to think of "the Word as the Bible, and some of those few call the Bible God. This last is a serious heresy, the heresy of idolatry. The holy scriptures are a book, printed with ink on paper, bound in leather or something like it. How can anybody confuse a book with God. The holy scriptures are not eternal, nor omnipresent, nor omnipotent, nor are they able to save or grant grace. The holy scriptures can make a man wise if the man reads them and opens his heart to receive the Holy Spirit's teaching in them.

Christians must avoid this error, the bible is not The Word, the bible is holy scripture.

Yet the bible often refers to itself, the gospel, the truths preached by the apostles and Jesus Himself, as the word of God. Yes, it can cause confusion, because Jesus Christ is also the Word. Where there is any possibility of misunderstanding, it's perhaps good to specify "God's Incarnate Word" when speaking of the Saviour, and "God's written word" when the bible is meant.

 

[ozso]

Yet the bible often refers to itself, the gospel, the truths preached by the apostles and Jesus Himself, as the word of God. Yes, it can cause confusion, because Jesus Christ is also the Word. Where there is any possibility of misunderstanding, it's perhaps good to specify "God's Incarnate Word" when speaking of the Saviour, and "God's written word" when the bible is meant.

Myself and the learned @The Liturgist concluded it could be said the two are interchangeable.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Except for those 38 times in NT scripture when scripture is called the word of God.

show me these 38 times when "the word of God" undeniably means "scripture" in the NT.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

So it means a spoken word that is apart from the written word? Too bad we'll never know what those words were since they were never written down.

You don't know them, that is clear. But we do.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Actually, it is. Scripture literally refers to itself as the Word of God.

Sometimes. It also calls itself the Word of God.

Show me where this allegedly happens.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Yet the bible often refers to itself, the gospel, the truths preached by the apostles and Jesus Himself, as the word of God.

Show me where.

 

[ozso]

show me these 38 times when "the word of God" undeniably means "scripture" in the NT.

I can't do that because you're sure to deny it.

Making void the word of God by your own tradition, which you have given forth. And many other such like things you do. Mark 7:13 Douay-Rheims

Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. Luke 8:11 Douay-Rheims

27 And it came to pass, as he spoke these things, a certain woman from the crowd, lifting up her voice, said to him: Blessed is the womb that bore thee, and the paps that gave thee suck. 28 But he said: Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it. Luke 11:27-28 Douay-Rheims

If he called them gods, to whom the word of God was spoken, and the scripture cannot be broken; John 10:35 Douay-Rheims

And when they had prayed, the place was moved wherein they were assembled; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spoke the word of God with confidence. Acts 4:31 Douay-Rheims

Then the twelve calling together the multitude of the disciples, said: It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. Acts 6:2 Douay-Rheims

They therefore that were dispersed, went about preaching the word of God. Acts 8:4 Douay-Rheims

Now when the apostles, who were in Jerusalem, had heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John. Acts 8:14

And the apostles and brethren, who were in Judea, heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. Acts 11:1 Douay-Rheims

And when they were come to Salamina, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews. And they had John also in the ministry. Acts 13:5 Douay-Rheims

Who was with the proconsul Sergius Paulus, a prudent man. He sending for Barnabas and Saul, desired to hear the word of God. Acts 13:7 Douay-Rheims

But the next sabbath day, the whole city almost came together, to hear the word of God. Acts 13:44 Douay-Rheims

Then Paul and Barnabas said boldly: To you it behoved us first to speak the word of God: but because you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold we turn to the Gentiles. Acts 13:46 Douay-Rheims

And when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was also preached by Paul at Berea, they came thither also, stirring up and troubling the multitude. Acts 17:13 Douay-Rheims

And he stayed there a year and six months, teaching among them the word of God. Acts 18:11 Douay-Rheims

So mightily grew the word of God, and was confirmed. Acts 19:20 Douay-Rheims

Not as though the word of God hath miscarried. For all are not Israelites that are of Israel: Romans 9:6 Douay-Rheims

Or did the word of God come out from you? Or came it only unto you? 1 Corinthians 14:36 Douay-Rheims

For we are not as many, adulterating the word of God; but with sincerity, but as from God, before God, in Christ we speak. 2 Corinthians 2:17 Douay-Rheims

But we renounce the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor adulterating the word of God; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience, in the sight of God. 2 Corinthians 4:2 Douay-Rheims

And take unto you the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit (which is the word of God). Ephesians 6:17 Douay-Rheims

And many of the brethren in the Lord, growing confident by my bands, are much more bold to speak the word of God without fear. Philippians 1:14 Douay-Rheims

Whereof I am made a minister according to the dispensation of God, which is given me towards you, that I may fulfill the word of God: Colossians 1:25 Douay-Rheims

Therefore, we also give thanks to God without ceasing: because, that when you had received of us the word of the hearing of God, you received it not as the word of men, but (as it is indeed) the word of God, who worketh in you that have believed. 1 Thessalonians 2:13 Douay-Rheims

For the rest, brethren, pray for us, that the word of God may run, and may be glorified, even as among you; 2 Thessalonians 3:1 Douay-Rheims

For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 1 Timothy 4:5 Douay-Rheims

Wherein I labour even unto bands, as an evildoer; but the word of God is not bound. 2 Timothy 2:9 Douay-Rheims

To be discreet, chaste, sober, having a care of the house, gentle, obedient to their husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. Titus 2:5 Douay-Rheims

For the word of God is living and effectual, and more piercing than any two edged sword; and reaching unto the division of the soul and the spirit, of the joints also and the marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12 Douay-Rheims

Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, Hebrews 6:5 Douay-Rheims

By faith we understand that the world was framed by the word of God; that from invisible things visible things might be made. Hebrews 11:3 Douay-Rheims

Remember your prelates who have spoken the word of God to you; whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation, Hebrews 13:7 Douay-Rheims

Being born again not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, by the word of God who liveth and remaineth for ever. 1 Peter 1:23 Douay-Rheims

For this they are wilfully ignorant of, that the heavens were before, and the earth out of water, and through water, consisting by the word of God. 2 Peter 3:5 Douay-Rheims

I write unto you, babes, because you have known the Father. I write unto you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and you have overcome the wicked one. 1 John 2:14 Douay-Rheims

Who hath given testimony to the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ, what things soever he hath seen. Revelation 1:2 Douay-Rheims

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held. Revelation 6:9 Douay-Rheims

And I saw seats; and they sat upon them; and judgment was given unto them; and the souls of them that were beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and who had not adored the beast nor his image, nor received his character on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Revelation 20:4 Douay-Rheims

 

[Mike McK]

Show me where this allegedly happens.

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

2 Peter1:20-21 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

There are many more, but deal with these three first.

 

[ozso]

You don't know them, that is clear. But we do.

Ah Catholics know the unwritten words spoken by Jesus, John, Peter, Paul, James etc.

 

[Mike McK]

I can't do that because you're sure to deny it.

Making void the word of God by your own tradition, which you have given forth. And many other such like things you do. Mark 7:13 Douay-Rheims

Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. Luke 8:11 Douay-Rheims

27 And it came to pass, as he spoke these things, a certain woman from the crowd, lifting up her voice, said to him: Blessed is the womb that bore thee, and the paps that gave thee suck. 28 But he said: Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it. Luke 11:27-28 Douay-Rheims

If he called them gods, to whom the word of God was spoken, and the scripture cannot be broken; John 10:35 Douay-Rheims

And when they had prayed, the place was moved wherein they were assembled; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spoke the word of God with confidence. Acts 4:31 Douay-Rheims

Then the twelve calling together the multitude of the disciples, said: It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. Acts 6:2 Douay-Rheims

They therefore that were dispersed, went about preaching the word of God. Acts 8:4 Douay-Rheims

Now when the apostles, who were in Jerusalem, had heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John. Acts 8:14

And the apostles and brethren, who were in Judea, heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. Acts 11:1 Douay-Rheims

And when they were come to Salamina, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews. And they had John also in the ministry. Acts 13:5 Douay-Rheims

Who was with the proconsul Sergius Paulus, a prudent man. He sending for Barnabas and Saul, desired to hear the word of God. Acts 13:7 Douay-Rheims

But the next sabbath day, the whole city almost came together, to hear the word of God. Acts 13:44 Douay-Rheims

Then Paul and Barnabas said boldly: To you it behoved us first to speak the word of God: but because you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold we turn to the Gentiles. Acts 13:46 Douay-Rheims

And when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was also preached by Paul at Berea, they came thither also, stirring up and troubling the multitude. Acts 17:13 Douay-Rheims

And he stayed there a year and six months, teaching among them the word of God. Acts 18:11 Douay-Rheims

So mightily grew the word of God, and was confirmed. Acts 19:20 Douay-Rheims

Not as though the word of God hath miscarried. For all are not Israelites that are of Israel: Romans 9:6 Douay-Rheims

Or did the word of God come out from you? Or came it only unto you? 1 Corinthians 14:36 Douay-Rheims

For we are not as many, adulterating the word of God; but with sincerity, but as from God, before God, in Christ we speak. 2 Corinthians 2:17 Douay-Rheims

But we renounce the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor adulterating the word of God; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience, in the sight of God. 2 Corinthians 4:2 Douay-Rheims

And take unto you the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit (which is the word of God). Ephesians 6:17 Douay-Rheims

And many of the brethren in the Lord, growing confident by my bands, are much more bold to speak the word of God without fear. Philippians 1:14 Douay-Rheims

Whereof I am made a minister according to the dispensation of God, which is given me towards you, that I may fulfill the word of God: Colossians 1:25 Douay-Rheims

Therefore, we also give thanks to God without ceasing: because, that when you had received of us the word of the hearing of God, you received it not as the word of men, but (as it is indeed) the word of God, who worketh in you that have believed. 1 Thessalonians 2:13 Douay-Rheims

For the rest, brethren, pray for us, that the word of God may run, and may be glorified, even as among you; 2 Thessalonians 3:1 Douay-Rheims

For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 1 Timothy 4:5 Douay-Rheims

Wherein I labour even unto bands, as an evildoer; but the word of God is not bound. 2 Timothy 2:9 Douay-Rheims

To be discreet, chaste, sober, having a care of the house, gentle, obedient to their husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. Titus 2:5 Douay-Rheims

For the word of God is living and effectual, and more piercing than any two edged sword; and reaching unto the division of the soul and the spirit, of the joints also and the marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12 Douay-Rheims

Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, Hebrews 6:5 Douay-Rheims

By faith we understand that the world was framed by the word of God; that from invisible things visible things might be made. Hebrews 11:3 Douay-Rheims

Remember your prelates who have spoken the word of God to you; whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation, Hebrews 13:7 Douay-Rheims

Being born again not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, by the word of God who liveth and remaineth for ever. 1 Peter 1:23 Douay-Rheims

For this they are wilfully ignorant of, that the heavens were before, and the earth out of water, and through water, consisting by the word of God. 2 Peter 3:5 Douay-Rheims

I write unto you, babes, because you have known the Father. I write unto you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and you have overcome the wicked one. 1 John 2:14 Douay-Rheims

Who hath given testimony to the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ, what things soever he hath seen. Revelation 1:2 Douay-Rheims

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held. Revelation 6:9 Douay-Rheims

And I saw seats; and they sat upon them; and judgment was given unto them; and the souls of them that were beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and who had not adored the beast nor his image, nor received his character on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Revelation 20:4 Douay-Rheims

The Douay-Rheims is not reliable.

In Genesis 3:15, it literally replaces Jesus with Mary.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

I can't do that

Okay, good of you to admit it.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

2 Peter1:20-21 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

Neither one of these equates "the word of God" with holy scripture.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

This verse is about the Word of God incarnate, that is, Jesus.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Ah Catholics know the unwritten words spoken by Jesus, John, Peter, Paul, James etc.

Oh dear, that is not what I typed. You need to read with better care.

 

[ozso]

The Douay-Rheims is not reliable.

In Genesis 3:15, it literally replaces Jesus with Mary.

I chose it in this instance it because it's preferred by Catholics. As opposed to a "Protestant Bible".

I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel. Genesis 3:15 Douay-Rheims

Wow.

 

[Mike McK]

Neither one of these equates "the word of God" with holy scripture.

Really? Because one says scripture is God-breathed, and another says scripture is the result of God speaking.

I think you're just trolling.

This verse is about the Word of God incarnate, that is, Jesus.

Actually, the phrase is used to refer to both. In this case, it's talking about scripture.

 

[ozso]

Okay, good of you to admit it.

Now that's subdefudge.