A persistent error soon becomes a serious heresy.

[ozso]

Frustration can produce frustrated comments.

Are you frustrated over your inability to provide a cogent reply to the question I keep asking?

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Yes it is. Which make scripture the solid foundation upon which dogma and tradition is built. But while all scripture is solid, the dogma and tradition built upon it can be unsound. Also there is eisegetical dogma and tradition. That is dogma and tradition that's built upon reading into scripture what it doesn't really say.

Oh dear! What is one to do? Okay, if you say so, all Catholic Dogmatic Teaching is Sacred Scripture!

 

[ozso]

Away with this bad faith commentary.

No, it's a forgone conclusion.

 

[ozso]

Oh dear! What is one to do? Okay, if you say so, all Catholic Dogmatic Teaching is Sacred Scripture!

That's not what I said.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

That's not what I said.

Yes it was

 

[ozso]

Yes it was

No, this is what I said: But while all scripture is solid, the dogma and tradition built upon it can be unsound. Also there is eisegetical dogma and tradition. That is dogma and tradition that's built upon reading into scripture what it doesn't really say.

You concluding that to mean "all Catholic Dogmatic Teaching is Sacred Scripture!" is a non sequitur. It doesn't follow what I said.

And I'm still waiting for you to provide a cogent reply to the question I keep asking.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

No, this is what I said: But while all scripture is solid, the dogma and tradition built upon it can be unsound. Also there is eisegetical dogma and tradition. That is dogma and tradition that's built upon reading into scripture what it doesn't really say.

You concluding that to mean "all Catholic Dogmatic Teaching is Sacred Scripture!" is a non sequitur. It doesn't follow what I said.

Now you're obfuscating! Obviously Catholic Church Dogma is sacred scripture.

 

[ozso]

Now your obfuscating! Obviously Catholic Church Dogma is sacred scripture.

Not dogma that's eisegetically based on scripture.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Not dogma that's eisegetically based on scripture.

Nope, Catholic Church Dogma is sacred scripture; it is all true.

 

[ozso]

Nope, Catholic Church Dogma is sacred scripture; it is all true.

That's a very subjective appraisal. Or are you being sarcastic?

Like I said:

The main difference is that scripture never changes and remains consistent.

Whereas Catholic church dogma has been changed or eliminated by the church numerous times over the centuries.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

That's a very subjective appraisal. Or are you being sarcastic?

It is the truth.

 

[ozso]

It is the truth.

The truth doesn't change and scripture doesn't change, whereas Catholic church dogma has been changed or eliminated numerous times over the centuries.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

The truth doesn't change and scripture doesn't change, whereas Catholic church dogma has been changed or eliminated numerous times over the centuries.

Nonsense

 

[ozso]

Nonsense

Vatican II says otherwise. Overall Catholic church history says otherwise.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Vatican II says otherwise. Overall Catholic church history says otherwise.

Show me.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

All dogma encouraging vow-sworn poverty, chastity, and obedience, is of evil, according to Christ the Lord. Behavior of Apostles and others, does not supercede that which Christ the Lord has said. There are other examples.

The evil behind all sworn vows, has quite a large number of consequences for dogma. Because of these sworn vows, those that would have defended many churches against dogma of the evil one who denies the primacy of Christ the Lord, were killed, for about one thousand years.

I doubt your ability to speak on behalf of Jesus.

CCC 944 The life consecrated to God is characterized by the public profession of the evangelical counsels of poverty, chastity, and obedience, in a stable state of life recognised by the Church.

Do the homework needed before offering ill-informed opinions about the religious life within the Catholic Church.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

I doubt your ability to speak on behalf of Jesus.

Again, you heard that it was said to the ancients: You will not swear falsely, but you will pay to the LORD your oaths; 34 but I say to you not to swear at all...but let your word be, Yes, Yes, No, No, and that which is more than these is of the evil [one].
Matthew 5:33-37

 

[Mike McK]

In the Gospel according to saint John the Word is called God, he was with God in the beginning, and he made all things, in truth nothing that was made was made without him. He became flesh and dwelt among us; he is the one who has seen God because he is God the only Son.

Some people mistakenly call the holy scriptures "the Word of God". And because of this mistake a few have come to think of "the Word as the Bible, and some of those few call the Bible God. This last is a serious heresy, the heresy of idolatry. The holy scriptures are a book, printed with ink on paper, bound in leather or something like it. How can anybody confuse a book with God. The holy scriptures are not eternal, nor omnipresent, nor omnipotent, nor are they able to save or grant grace. The holy scriptures can make a man wise if the man reads them and opens his heart to receive the Holy Spirit's teaching in them.

Christians must avoid this error, the bible is not The Word, the bible is holy scripture.

Both are called the Word Of God.

If scripture refers to itself as the Word of God, then why should we believe you over scripture?

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Both are called the Word Of God.

If scripture refers to itself as the Word of God, then why should we believe you over scripture?

That's the story Protestants tell themselves, it isn't really true. Scripture calls itself scripture.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

1 Because of this, having this ministry, according as we received kindness, we do not faint, 2 but renounced for ourselves the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness, nor deceitfully using the word of God, but by the manifestation of the truth recommending ourselves to every conscience of men, before God;
II Corinthians 4:1-2

God, in the form of the Word, can not be used, deceitfully or not. Only written writing can be. It would appear that the above-quoted apostle did use "word of God" to refer to written writing.