A flat earth

[SithDoughnut]

Obviously this is false. On the coast? This is where light-houses sit. If the earth had a curvature, how would lighthouses be seen from boatmen, out out sea?

They can't until they're close enough that the curvature of the Earth doesn't make a difference. Luckily, due to the size of the Earth, they can still be pretty far out to sea and be able to see the light.

Surely you can come up with a better refutation than that.

 

[Chesterton]

I propose a laser beam lighthouse experiment. On a flat earth, we ought to be able to hit the coast of Japan from the coast of Chile with a straight line.

 

[Cabal]

I propose a laser beam lighthouse experiment. On a flat earth, we ought to be able to hit the coast of Japan from the coast of Chile with a straight line.

You, sir, are a genius.

We must also factor in the luminiferous aether attenuation and the phlogiston flux!

 

[SithDoughnut]

You, sir, are a genius.

We must also factor in the luminiferous aether attenuation and the phlogiston flux!

And sea serpents.

 

[Cabal]

And sea serpents.

Yes, and the turtles all the way down.

 

[mpok1519]

Are people really so intellectually dishonest to believe the earth is flat?

 

[Skaloop]

Are people really so intellectually dishonest to believe the earth is flat?

No, but some are intellectually dishonest enough to pretend that they believe it.

 

[dewaddict84]

so can I see a show of hands as to who thinks Asy is for real?

 

[marlowe007]

so can I see a show of hands as to who thinks Asy is for real?

Raises hand!

IMO, anyone who subscribes to the British-Israel malarky has the mentality required to be a flat earther.

 

[Friendly.Atheist]

At the end of the day, if you believe the earth is round and a 'globe', that's great, but it's no more a theory than the belief in flat earth. You can't prove the earth is round and has curvature, i've already debunked two supposed evidences. Photos from NASA etc are not evidence. You simply can't prove it isn't flat. Therefore learn to research and respect flat earth models.

False. Curvature of the earth is observable and measurable.

I do not want to take the time to explain it myself, for this I will turn to a personal hero of mine to explain Eratosthenes' experiment. I keep referring to Eratosthenes because, well, he was a genius.
Sadly, I cannot link to videos until my post count is higher...
So go to Youtube and search "Carl Sagan Eratosthenes"

The opposite is true. What can be observed is a flat earth. So when you wake up, and look out your window you see a spherical earth? No all you see is a flat plane (except of course with hills or mountains).

No one observes 'curvature' on the earth.

Because the earth is BIG! One degree of curving on the surface is over 120 miles. If you think small scale, the earth appears to be flat, yes.

As can be done on a flat earth disc model. Circumnavigation does not prove the earth is a 'globe'. I already disproved this misconception.

Not since it can be don in any direction. According to your flat earth theory, if you go south in a straight line for long enough you will reach the end of the world. Instead what happens is to cross over the pole and start going north on the other side without altering direction at all.

There is a limit that no one can get beyond, research stations are only placed at certain posts. I would know since i have a relative who has been to these posts (he's a meterologist) and he well knows you can't go beyond a boundry, because the weather conditions are so extreme. You can simply read up on this on the net, and this is in fact a major evidence for flat earth, as the FES informs. People who have landed on Antarctica can only get so far on it, and are restricted to go in certain zones.

Simply not true. The south pole is a common tourist attraction. Not restricted at all.

 

[Friendly.Atheist]

I think I figured out the best possible argument. If this has already been brought up... well... it's worth bringing up again.
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The arctic circle is 66°33' N. It is 10,975 miles in circumference. Measure the circumference yourself if you don't believe this.
I convert 66°33' to a decimal, which rounded would be 66.5


The latitude of the equator is 0°.
66.5-0=66.5


So the difference in latitude between the arctic circle and the equator is 66.5


One degree of latitude is 69 miles.
69*66.5=4588.5
The distance between the arctic circle and the equator is approximately 4588.5 miles.


The circumference of the equator is 24901.5 miles. Once again, if you do not believe this you can measure it yourself.



The antarctic circle is at 66°33' S. Also approx. 4588.5 miles from the equator. This is found using the exact same reasoning as before.


This should be accepted by people on both sides of this argument. This data is consistent with the earth being flat with the north pole at the center, and with the earth being round. It's this next part that would prove one or the other correct.








Here's the fun part.
If the earth is FLAT, you would expect the antarctic circle to have a larger circumference that the equator. Quite a bit larger. Right?


If the earth is NOT FLAT, but is in fact a 3d spherical shape as is the accepted theory, you would expect the antarctic circle to have the same circumference as the arctic circle.








Now, since the round earth theory has been tested and reviewed by many members of the scientific community over several hundred years, the burden of proof lies with the challenging theory. The “flat earth”. Measure the circumference of the antarctic circle.
If you get anything close to 39,300 miles, than you have an argument. That is what you would expect for a circle with a radius 4588.5 miles longer than a circle with a circumference of 24901.5 miles.
If you get anything close to 10,975 miles; congratulations. You have just rediscovered that the earth is a sphere.




NOTE: I only chose the arctic and antarctic circles because they are convenient. Not too close from the poles, not too close to the equator.

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Any questions?

 

[Ellinas]

Perhaps the Flat Earthers can explain the different seasons? On the Equator sunrise and sunset is on an approximately 12 hourly intervals give or take an hour yearlong. In Norway depending on the season; daylight hours differ dramatically between seasons! How on Earth can a Flat Earth be consistent with this phenomenon?

 

[Asycthian]

False. Curvature of the earth is observable and measurable.

So far i've disproved this. All that was presented as evidence for the earth's curvature, was the old mast-head argument. Yet this was debunked over two-hundred years ago, it therefore wasn't hard for me, to disprove that nonsense here.

Other then the debunked mast-head argument, what 'evidence' do you have the earth has a curvature?

I do not want to take the time to explain it myself, for this I will turn to a personal hero of mine to explain Eratosthenes' experiment. I keep referring to Eratosthenes because, well, he was a genius.
Sadly, I cannot link to videos until my post count is higher...
So go to Youtube and search "Carl Sagan Eratosthenes"

Yet, contemporaries of Eratosthenes (240BC) were skeptics of his alleged discovery, and it took many hundreds of years to convert the original flat earth believing Greeks and Romans. Tacitus was a flat earth believer, and he lived into the 2nd century AD. 400 years after Eratosthenes. What we see, is that there was a persistant belief and continuation of flat earth among the ancient Greeks and Romans, it wasn't quickly replaced with the belief in a spherical or 'globe' earth, since people knew there was scientific evidence against the belief in a globe.

Because the earth is BIG! One degree of curving on the surface is over 120 miles. If you think small scale, the earth appears to be flat, yes.

Canals in China are over six-hundred miles, yet have no curvature. Canals of course don't curve and are man-made. Since it is observable there is no curvature in the earth for hundreds of miles, what evidence is there to to contrary?

Simply not true. The south pole is a common tourist attraction. Not restricted at all.

??? Perhaps you are talking about the tip of Antarctica. The Mainland is not populated, only certain posts are found there, and there is a boundry you can't go beyond. The only inhabitants of Antarctica are 'scientists' at the research posts, and secondly goverment officials or military.

 

[LightHorseman]

Other then the debunked mast-head argument, what 'evidence' do you have the earth has a curvature?

 

[Cabal]

*pretteh picceh*

Yeah, but NASA was founded by a Satanist, so that picture is wrong.

Makes perfect sense.

 

[LightHorseman]

Yeah, but NASA was founded by a Satanist, so that picture is wrong.

Makes perfect sense.

Anyone with $200 model rocket with on board camera can take a similar photo for themselves.

 

[Skaloop]

Anyone with $200 model rocket with on board camera can take a similar photo for themselves.

$200? Sorry, but as we all know, money is the root of all evil, and Satan is evil, therefore anything bought with money is of Satan and not to be trusted.

That's why the Gideons give out Bibles for free...

 

[laconicstudent]

Other then the debunked mast-head argument, what 'evidence' do you have the earth has a curvature?

YouTube - Views From Low Earth Orbit

 

[Skaloop]

Ok Acsycthian, I've got a question.

If the Earth is flat, where are the "edges" located? I assume you agree with the fact that there are 7 continents, and that their positions as depicted on maps are accurate. So where are the edges? Since people sailed from Europe to North America, I can assume they are not in the middle of the Atlantic. So the Pacific, then? But people have also sailed from North America to Asia (and vice versa). So again, where are the edges?

Here's a generic map of the world; where would the edges be?

 

[Friendly.Atheist]

Ok Acsycthian, I've got a question.

If the Earth is flat, where are the "edges" located? I assume you agree with the fact that there are 7 continents, and that their positions as depicted on maps are accurate. So where are the edges? Since people sailed from Europe to North America, I can assume they are not in the middle of the Atlantic. So the Pacific, then? But people have also sailed from North America to Asia (and vice versa). So again, where are the edges?

Here's a generic map of the world; where would the edges be?

He's said that the earth is laid out like the UN flag, with the north pole in the center and Antarctica encircling the globe. In my last post I chalenged this flat model in a way that would prove it true or false that has not yet been replied to.

(I would post links and pictures but my stupid post count isn't high enough so the forum won't let me)