A flat earth

[Asycthian]

Emphasis mine.
This is simply false. I can attest to this fact myself. I have viewed distant ships through a decent telescope, their hulls are not "restored". You have not refuted anything. I have seen this personally, unless you can provide a decent explanation as to why ships are blocked by water on a flat earth, this point will remain.

You need to use a more powerful telescope. When this is done, the telescope can restore a ''half-sunken'' ship proving that the ship is not behind a convexing earth. I have seen this myself, and it is a irrefutable scientific evidence that the earth if flat.

On FES, they have hosted a compiled chapter from a book (Zetetic Cosmogony) which lists all the documented accounts of where ''half-sunken'' ships have been restored via the use of telescope. As i said this remains irrefutable evidence that the earth is flat. Simply searching on the net, or other scientific books will show the documentation of when people have restored the view of a ship. The earth has no curvature.

 

[Asycthian]

Ascynthian did not take my challenge thus I declare FLAT
earth to be DEBUNKED!

The Poe tential of this Poe in winning my challenge is naught! All one has to do to prove him wrong is to look through a telescope at a ship sailing away in the horizon.

Read my comment above, what you are saying actually proves the earth is flat.

 

[Gawron]

The Earth is round. I know this because I flew around it in my starship while playing Star Trek Online.

This proof is equally conclusive as looking at a ship through a telescope.

 

[Split Rock]

I got it to work. For some reason, though, it will only take me to the sea serpent picture when I copy the URL and paste it into my address bar.

Well now, I can't see the images! Must be an Darwinist Conspiracy to prevent me from proving the existance of serpents, as indicated by The Bible!!!!!!111

Here are different links:

http://medievalyfantasia.com/upload...ada/cartas-azules/sea-serpent-carta-magic.jpg

http://www.extensiveenterprisesonline.com/OnlineStore/images/tcgs/mtg/5ed/sea_serpent.jpg

And a new one!

http://medievalyfantasia.com/upload...artas-azules/deep-sea-serpent-carta-magic.jpg

Take that Darwinists!!!

 

[Split Rock]

Here is documentation of a sea serpent attack on a ship:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2009/03/12/denizen_1.jpg

 

[Wedjat]

You need to use a more powerful telescope. When this is done, the telescope can restore a ''half-sunken'' ship proving that the ship is not behind a convexing earth. I have seen this myself, and it is a irrefutable scientific evidence that the earth if flat.

On FES, they have hosted a compiled chapter from a book (Zetetic Cosmogony) which lists all the documented accounts of where ''half-sunken'' ships have been restored via the use of telescope. As i said this remains irrefutable evidence that the earth is flat. Simply searching on the net, or other scientific books will show the documentation of when people have restored the view of a ship. The earth has no curvature.

What do you want me to use, an observatory telescope? I told you, it was a decent telescope, and it was a large clear image of what looked like a mostly sunken ship.
Have you ever looked through a telescope at a ship? If you're still having issues seeing parts of it clearly then I have to wonder if it isn't you who isn't using a strong enough telescope, or not waiting long enough for the ships to get sufficiently distant.
I really don't know how else to put this. You're simply wrong on this issue. If you don't have anything else to add then I'm pretty much done with this discussion.

 

[Friendly.Atheist]

I'm sorry, I'm not going to read 29 pages of this nonsense. So here's my reaction to the initial idea.

I consider myself a reasonable person, but this is beyond all reason.

In 240 BC, Eratosthenes discovered through observation and measuring that the surface of the earth is curved. He then assumed a spherical shape and calculated the circumference of the earth. AND GOT IT RIGHT! (I can explain how if anyone cares to hear it).
Hundreds of years later, Ferdinand Magellan sailed around the world, confirming once and for all that is was at least a cylinder!

And now, we can get in an airplane and fly over the globe, in any direction, and go around it.

There is no debate over whether the earth is a sphere. None.

 

[Ellinas]

Read my comment above, what you are saying actually proves the earth is flat.

Sorry but you lost this one! Lucky for you that you did not accept my challenge else I would be sending someone to collect my 1,000 Euros!

Do you have anything that can remotely be seen as evidence for a flat earth? NO? Well then, there is no reason other than to take the mickey out of you for insisting on such ridiculous notions.

 

[Asycthian]

I'm sorry, I'm not going to read 29 pages of this nonsense. So here's my reaction to the initial idea.

I consider myself a reasonable person, but this is beyond all reason.

In 240 BC, Eratosthenes discovered through observation and measuring that the surface of the earth is curved. He then assumed a spherical shape and calculated the circumference of the earth. AND GOT IT RIGHT! (I can explain how if anyone cares to hear it).
Hundreds of years later, Ferdinand Magellan sailed around the world, confirming once and for all that is was at least a cylinder!

And now, we can get in an airplane and fly over the globe, in any direction, and go around it.

There is no debate over whether the earth is a sphere. None.

More misunderstanding. A flat earth can be circumnavigated. Eratosthenes didn't prove anything. In fact near contemporaries of him were still flat earth believers, this included the geographer Scymnus.

The spherical earth was proposed to the ancient Greeks in the 6th century BC, yet it took over 400 years to convert the flat earth believers. Flat earth then re-surfaced amongst Romans in the early AD period, and later with Byzantine authors. Your idea that the flat earth simply became dismissed is false, there has been a continuation of believers since the earliest of times.

 

[Asycthian]

Sorry but you lost this one! Lucky for you that you did not accept my challenge else I would be sending someone to collect my 1,000 Euros!

Do you have anything that can remotely be seen as evidence for a flat earth? NO? Well then, there is no reason other than to take the mickey out of you for insisting on such ridiculous notions.

And 29 or 30 pages of you lot who believe the earth is spherical or a 'globe' have failed to provide any evidence for that. That's the funny thing.

Instead all you do is attack flat earthers (calling them ''dumb'' or a ''poe'')since you can't prove your own belief that the earth is round.

I've debunked the Pole Star argument, and also debunked the ship and mast argument, both these don't prove the earth is round or with curvature, in fact the latter as i explained (and referenced by giving a book name) proves the earth is flat.

I doubt you will reply in a mature manner, instead of debating these scientific issues, all you lot do is seem to spam the word 'poe' everywhere, resort to sarcasm or mockery (i.e pasting offtopic painting of sea-serpents) or accuse your opposition to be a 'troll' since you fail at debate.

The evidence i gave for flat earth, is so far irrefutable. I would suggest you research what i wrote, then you might understand the evidence i provided.

 

[Split Rock]

I doubt you will reply in a mature manner, instead of debating these scientific issues, all you lot do is seem to spam the word 'poe' everywhere, resort to sarcasm or mockery (i.e pasting offtopic painting of sea-serpents) or accuse your opposition to be a 'troll' since you fail at debate.

Prove there aren't Sea Serpents! I have provided documentary evidence for not only the existance of sea serpents, but an actual attack on a sailing ship!! You have done nothing but mock me and ignore the geometric logic I have used to back up my case!!!

 

[JBMM]

I'm not even going to bother to read it - it's that ridiculous.

 

[Friendly.Atheist]

More misunderstanding. A flat earth can be circumnavigated. Eratosthenes didn't prove anything. In fact near contemporaries of him were still flat earth believers, this included the geographer Scymnus.

The spherical earth was proposed to the ancient Greeks in the 6th century BC, yet it took over 400 years to convert the flat earth believers. Flat earth then re-surfaced amongst Romans in the early AD period, and later with Byzantine authors. Your idea that the flat earth simply became dismissed is false, there has been a continuation of believers since the earliest of times.

Yes. It was proposed by the Greeks during a period of great scientific and mathematical advancement. Eratosthenes didn't prove anything conclusively. Like I said- he worked off an assumption. But we know now that his assumption was 100% correct, his measurement of the curvature of the earth was correct, and his calculation of the size was astonishingly close.

The idea of a flat earth popped up again and held strong for the period we like to call "The Dark Ages". You know, the time when all scientific advancements so far were scraped and western civilization became immersed in superstition and pseudoscience.




Do you want to know why people are having such a hard time "proving" that the earth is round? It's because they've never had to think about it. It's common sense. The idea is not disputed except for very few extremest fringe conspirators.
There is 0 evidence to show that the earth is flat. That the earth is spherical can be seen through simple observation.


My evidence is that people have circumnavigated the globe in every direction. East-west and north-south. I actually have a cousin who traveled to the south pole 2 summers ago. She took pictures.
Your move.

 

[Split Rock]

The evidence i gave for flat earth, is so far irrefutable.

You haven't provided any evidence. Just made assertions backed up by dead Greeks who didn't know any better. You still haven't explained how we can travel to Japan from the USA going either toward the east or the west.

 

[Asycthian]

Prove there aren't Sea Serpents! I have provided documentary evidence for not only the existance of sea serpents, but an actual attack on a sailing ship!! You have done nothing but mock me and ignore the geometric logic I have used to back up my case!!!

Sea-Serpents are apart of cryptzoology. There have been documented encounters with them for hundreds, or even thousands of years. I'm open to their existance.

In fact cryptzoology is also supported by evolutionists, it's you guys who are obsessed with Big foot and other big ape things, because you are so desperate for that ''missing link''.

 

[mpok1519]

Watch the show planet earth; sattellite images show that the earth is round. Cinematographic proof earth is not flat.

 

[Asycthian]

Do you want to know why people are having such a hard time "proving" that the earth is round? It's because they've never had to think about it. It's common sense. The idea is not disputed except for very few extremest fringe conspirators.

Not that i'm aware of. Belief in flat earth is still common. FES (Flat Earth Society) is growing in support. Many Christians and Muslims also believe the earth is flat (both the Quaran and Bible teach a flat earth cosmology).

At the end of the day, if you believe the earth is round and a 'globe', that's great, but it's no more a theory than the belief in flat earth. You can't prove the earth is round and has curvature, i've already debunked two supposed evidences. Photos from NASA etc are not evidence. You simply can't prove it isn't flat. Therefore learn to research and respect flat earth models.

There is 0 evidence to show that the earth is flat. That the earth is spherical can be seen through simple observation.

The opposite is true. What can be observed is a flat earth. So when you wake up, and look out your window you see a spherical earth? No all you see is a flat plane (except of course with hills or mountains).

No one observes 'curvature' on the earth.

My evidence is that people have circumnavigated the globe in every direction. East-west and north-south.

As can be done on a flat earth disc model. Circumnavigation does not prove the earth is a 'globe'. I already disproved this misconception.

I actually have a cousin who traveled to the south pole 2 summers ago. She took pictures.

There is a limit that no one can get beyond, research stations are only placed at certain posts. I would know since i have a relative who has been to these posts (he's a meterologist) and he well knows you can't go beyond a boundry, because the weather conditions are so extreme. You can simply read up on this on the net, and this is in fact a major evidence for flat earth, as the FES informs. People who have landed on Antarctica can only get so far on it, and are restricted to go in certain zones.

 

[oblate spheroid]

The opposite is true. What can be observed is a flat earth. So when you wake up, and look out your window you see a spherical earth? No all you see is a flat plane (except of course with hills or mountains).

No one observes 'curvature' on the earth.

Erm, whenever I wake up on the coast, I can see the curvature quite clearly.

 

[Asycthian]

You haven't provided any evidence. Just made assertions backed up by dead Greeks who didn't know any better.

Ancient Egyptians, Akkadians, Babylonians, Chinese, Hebrews, Norse, Celts and Romans also believed in flat earth.

I guess they also didn't know any better...

You are following a fallacy, that being the evolutionist assumption that says man got greater with knowledge over time, when the opposite is the truth. The ancients were forebearers of superior knowledge, the Pyramids and megaliths across the earth are testimony of this. Modern man has no idea how these things were built. The same is also found in many other areas, modern man can not recover the better knowledge the ancients had. The evolutionist assumption, is completely wrong and is contradicted by history.

I noticed on your profile your job says you are working with 'plants'. This probably explains your lack of knowledge on history. I would suggest, next time you are at your local library you educate yourself on the basics of ancient history, starting with the earliest classical geographers and philosophers (all believed in flat earth).

Then come back and try and debate me on this topic.

You still haven't explained how we can travel to Japan from the USA going either toward the east or the west.

You can go any direction. I don't see what this has to do with flat earth, you are thinking wrongly that the belief in flat earth requires the landmasses not to be be encircling, when they do. Therefore you can get to any place from any direction.

 

[Asycthian]

Erm, whenever I wake up on the coast, I can see the curvature quite clearly.

Obviously this is false. On the coast? This is where light-houses sit. If the earth had a curvature, how would lighthouses be seen from boatmen, out out sea?