a Christian only topic of vaccine mandates

[Sunshinee777]

A Canadian doctor just stated, on the news radio, that vaccinated people do not have to worry about the non vaccinated.. It is the non vaccinated that need to be careful.. He was talking about getting together for holidays and meeting indoors as it is now colder outside.

You know, one of the doctor here got bloodclots in his leg after spending time with vaccinated person.

And I have my own experience from the summer but little bit different.

These stories were banned from socialmedia. They want to cover everything negative about this jab.

 

[Hammster]

But it does mean that you're not recklessly endangering others. Which is the point.



Well, let's take a look...



So you think driving sober is "virtue signaling?" You still don't get it. If you don't take reasonable steps
(vaccination, weekly COVID checks, distancing) to avoid infecting others, it's reckless endangerment. It's not about appearances, it's about the actual reasons for things like seat belts, DWI laws, and vaccinations.

Case in point: Kaaron Rogers, when asked, virtue signaled "I am immunized", when in fact he wasn't and hadn't been vaccinated at all. Did that save him? Apparently, not. It's about protection, not "virtue signaling."

The problem is that you are trying to compare drunk driving with being unvaccinated. That is a false dichotomy. But it also shows how you think of the unvaccinated.

 

[The Barbarian]

The problem is that you are trying to compare drunk driving with being unvaccinated.

Yes. It's probably infuriating to the far right, who now have to decide whether or not they are going to support another recklessly endangering behavior.

But it also shows how you think of the unvaccinated.

(Barbarian considers) Cults are kind of an addiction, too. Never thought about that, but you're right. It would be wrong to label all of them as cultists, though. Some, for example, really can't be vaccinated for health reasons. Most of them, of course, just get tested regularly.

That isn't acceptable to the cultists, who insist on their perceived right to endanger other people.

 

[The Barbarian]

You know, one of the doctor here got bloodclots in his leg after spending time with vaccinated person.

Well, that convinces me. After all, he couldn't have gotten blood clots any other way. Somehow, bad vibes or something from the vaccinated guy must have done it.

 

[Hammster]

Yes. It's probably infuriating to the far right, who now have to decide whether or not they are going to support another recklessly endangering behavior.



Yeah. Cults are kind of an addiction, too. Never thought about that, but you're right.

Thanks for conceding.

 

[The Barbarian]

Yeah. Cults are kind of an addiction, too. Never thought about that, but you're right.

Thanks for conceding.

When you're right, you're right. You're entirely right that anti-vaccine cults are examples of addiction just as much as alcoholism is. Which is a correspondence I didn't think about.

The point is still pretty good. You might have an addiction to alcohol, but you don't have an addiction to driving a car. One might be caught up in the anti-vaxx cult, but one doesn't have a cult-driven need to go out and endanger others. Or is that part of the cult? Maybe it is.

The Lancet
COVID-19, cults, and the anti-vax movement
Published:March 27, 2021
Lessons from studying cults (which are less pejoratively called new religious movements, describing movements that emerged in the late 20th century) can inform approaches to the anti-vax movement. A cult has come to mean a non-conforming ideology, or a religion that is disliked, with beliefs that are unacceptable to mainstream society. Just as cults are grouped together as sinister, bad, or wrong, the discourse surrounding anti-vaxxers in both academic and popular circles can be dismissive and derogatory. The pejorative label and negative attitudes towards cults promote an us-and-them viewpoint, creating martyrs
and extending the length of time that members hold the new beliefs, thus encouraging further involvement in the movement and radicalisation.

Learning from these consequences, a more constructive perspective could view the anti-vax movement as a religious phenomenon, involving a whole spectrum of ideas, and focus on the essential need to understand the beliefs that are involved to avoid further marginalisation. Hence, implying that anti-vaxxers are beyond the reach of community engagement activities could result in increased anti-vax activities. We suggest a more inclusive approach, where the same inquisitive dialogue and contextual understanding that was suggested for vaccine hesitancy should be extended to members of the anti-vax movement.

 

[Hammster]

Yeah. Cults are kind of an addiction, too. Never thought about that, but you're right.



When you're right, you're right. You're entirely right that anti-vaccine cults are examples of addiction just as much as alcoholism is. Which is a correspondence I didn't think about.

The point is still pretty good. You might have an addiction to alcohol, but you don't have an addiction to driving a car. One might be caught up in the anti-vaxx cult, but one doesn't have a cult-driven need to go out and endanger others. Or is that part of the cult? Maybe it is.

The Lancet
COVID-19, cults, and the anti-vax movement
Published:March 27, 2021
Lessons from studying cults (which are less pejoratively called new religious movements, describing movements that emerged in the late 20th century) can inform approaches to the anti-vax movement. A cult has come to mean a non-conforming ideology, or a religion that is disliked, with beliefs that are unacceptable to mainstream society. Just as cults are grouped together as sinister, bad, or wrong, the discourse surrounding anti-vaxxers in both academic and popular circles can be dismissive and derogatory. The pejorative label and negative attitudes towards cults promote an us-and-them viewpoint, creating martyrs
and extending the length of time that members hold the new beliefs, thus encouraging further involvement in the movement and radicalisation.

Learning from these consequences, a more constructive perspective could view the anti-vax movement as a religious phenomenon, involving a whole spectrum of ideas, and focus on the essential need to understand the beliefs that are involved to avoid further marginalisation. Hence, implying that anti-vaxxers are beyond the reach of community engagement activities could result in increased anti-vax activities. We suggest a more inclusive approach, where the same inquisitive dialogue and contextual understanding that was suggested for vaccine hesitancy should be extended to members of the anti-vax movement.

I should have been clearer. My apologies. When you are reduced to personal attacks, I just assume that you cannot address the argument.

 

[Parmallia]

The problem is that you are trying to compare drunk driving with being unvaccinated. That is a false dichotomy. But it also shows how you think of the unvaccinated.

It is not a completely unfair comparison. (Setting aside the safety issues of the vaccines for a moment, but we can come back to that) in a social situation vaccines help stop the spread of communicable diseases. There is always going to be a portion of the population that physically cannot get the vaccine (health reasons) but the rest of us who can get the vaccine actually do good for the overall society, not just ourselves.

The more people in a group who get vaccinated the less likelihood there is for the virus to mutate into something worse (some variants may even be resistant to the vaccine!)

So how is this like drunk driving? A lot of people like to occasionally drink some alcohol and be social in a bar. That may entail driving under the influence. In a world where there are no other drivers on the road it wouldn't be as bad, the drunken driver might only hurt themselves or they might weave all over the road without incident. But if there are other drivers and pedestrians on the road one's own actions can and will have bad consequences.

Personal choice is crucial to our self-identity, but we are and always have been social creatures and we have a certain amount of concern we owe to our fellow people to ensure we don't harm them and that we all can live safer and happier lives.

 

[The Barbarian]

Personal choice is crucial to our self-identity, but we are and always have been social creatures and we have a certain amount of concern we owe to our fellow people to ensure we don't harm them and that we all can live safer and happier lives.

I wish I had said that as wisely and gently as you did.

 

[The Barbarian]

This is heartbreaking...
California police officer dies of Covid while on leave for missing vaccination deadline
A San Francisco police officer who was on leave for missing the city's Covid vaccination deadline has died after testing positive for the coronavirus, a police union representative and the officer's wife said.

Officer Jack Nyce was a 17-year veteran of the force, the police department said in a statement on its Facebook page announcing his death.

Nyce served in a variety of assignments throughout his career, the statement said, adding that he is survived by many friends, co-workers and family members who "will miss him dearly."

Chief Bill Scott confirmed to NBC News in an email Friday that Nyce, whom he described as a "widely respected colleague," died Saturday. He said Nyce was 47.
California police officer dies of Covid while on leave for missing vaccination deadline

 

[Taodeching]

Personal choice is crucial to our self-identity, but we are and always have been social creatures and we have a certain amount of concern we owe to our fellow people to ensure we don't harm them and that we all can live safer and happier lives.

If only more people understood this.

 

[Hammster]

It is not a completely unfair comparison.

It is, actually. Every time a drunk gets behind a wheel, he is acting illegally and could put multiple people in danger. Not getting acclimated puts no one in danger. It’s the equivalent of not driving drunk. Could that person still cause an accident? Of course. But it’s not illegal, and generally not unsafe.

 

[Hammster]

This is heartbreaking...
California police officer dies of Covid while on leave for missing vaccination deadline
A San Francisco police officer who was on leave for missing the city's Covid vaccination deadline has died after testing positive for the coronavirus, a police union representative and the officer's wife said.

Officer Jack Nyce was a 17-year veteran of the force, the police department said in a statement on its Facebook page announcing his death.

Nyce served in a variety of assignments throughout his career, the statement said, adding that he is survived by many friends, co-workers and family members who "will miss him dearly."

Chief Bill Scott confirmed to NBC News in an email Friday that Nyce, whom he described as a "widely respected colleague," died Saturday. He said Nyce was 47.
California police officer dies of Covid while on leave for missing vaccination deadline

Have you heard about the vaccinated people who have died of Covid?

 

[The Barbarian]

Have you heard about the vaccinated people who have died of Covid?

I've heard of sober drivers who made errors and ended up dead, but drunk drivers do that a lot more often. And they often kill others in the process. This guy went against the odds and the odds won. Hopefully, he didn't infect anyone else thereby.

What's heartbreaking is that most of these people don't intend to die and grieve people who love them, or to infect others who sometimes die. They are generally good people who believed irresponsible or stupid people who led them into these tragedies.

He didn't have to die, and almost certainly would not have, if he had done the right thing in time.

 

[Hammster]

I've heard of sober drivers who made errors and ended up dead, but drunk drivers do that a lot more often. And they often kill others in the process. This guy went against the odds and the odds won. Hopefully, he didn't infect anyone else thereby.

Is that a yes?

 

[The Barbarian]

It is, actually. Every time a drunk gets behind a wheel, he is acting illegally

And often an unvaccinated person, going out where he could infect others, is acting illegally.

and could put multiple people in danger.

As does an unvaccinated person in a crowd.

Not getting acclimated puts no one in danger.

Unless they interact with other people, and don't get tested frequently. Just as a drunk driver puts no one else in danger if he drives on his private road.

It’s the equivalent of not driving drunk.

Getting vaccinated or being tested frequently is the equivalent of not driving drunk. Not being vaccinated or tested frequently is exactly the equivalent of what a drunk driver does on public roads.

Could that person still cause an accident? Of course. But it’s not illegal, and generally not unsafe.

Could a vaccinated person still infect someone, just as a sober driver could kill someone in an accident? Sure, But it's not illegal, and generally safe to drive sober or to be vaccinated and interact with others.

 

[The Barbarian]

I've heard of sober drivers who made errors and ended up dead, but drunk drivers do that a lot more often. And they often kill others in the process. This guy went against the odds and the odds won. Hopefully, he didn't infect anyone else thereby.

Is that a yes?

That's an acknowledgement of the fact that going unvaccinated and untested in public is the equivalent of driving drunk on public roads.

 

[Hammster]

And often an unvaccinated person, going out where he could infect others, is acting illegally.

What law is being broken?

 

[Hammster]

I've heard of sober drivers who made errors and ended up dead, but drunk drivers do that a lot more often. And they often kill others in the process. This guy went against the odds and the odds won. Hopefully, he didn't infect anyone else thereby.



That's an acknowledgement of the fact that going unvaccinated and untested in public is the equivalent of driving drunk on public roads.

So your answer to my question is to ignore the question? That’s quite telling.

 

[The Barbarian]

Hammster said: ↑
Is that a yes?

That's an acknowledgement of the fact that going unvaccinated and untested in public is the equivalent of driving drunk on public roads.

So your answer to my question is to ignore the question?

You got an answer. Just not the one you wanted. But you denied it.

That’s quite telling.