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[The Barbarian]

And often an unvaccinated person, going out where he could infect others, is acting illegally.

What law is being broken?

For example:
Requirement for Proof of COVID-19 Vaccination for Air Passengers
COVID-19 and Your Health

 

[Hammster]

That's an acknowledgement of the fact that going unvaccinated and untested in public is the equivalent of driving drunk on public roads.



You got an answer. Just not the one you wanted. But you denied it.

Well, here’s the question again.

Have you heard about the vaccinated people who have died of Covid?

It’s a simple yes or no question. Either you have heard that some vaccinated people have died of Covid, or you have not heard that some vaccinated people have died of Covid. Pretty straightforward.

 

[Hammster]

And often an unvaccinated person, going out where he could infect others, is acting illegally.



For example:
Requirement for Proof of COVID-19 Vaccination for Air Passengers
COVID-19 and Your Health

That’s is not breaking the law by being unvaccinated.

 

[The Barbarian]

Well, here’s the question again.

Have you heard about the vaccinated people who have died of Covid?

Let's see... last I heard was...

Unvaccinated Texans 40 times more likely to die of COVID in 2021, study says
Unvaccinated Texans 40 times more likely to die of COVID in 2021, study says

So it's not impossible. Just highly unlikely. Pretty much the way you're much more likely to die in an auto accident if you drive drunk. Pretty much like that poor policeman who seems to have trusted the wrong people. His blood is on their hands.

It’s a simple yes or no question.

Yes, people are much, much more likely to die if they aren't vaccinated. See above. There's more, which seems to some degree to depend on available medical care after one is seriously ill. Nationally, it's not quite that bad:

There’s Now CDC Data on How Much More Likely Unvaxxed Adults Are to Die of Covid
Hint: A lot more likely
Throughout the month of August, unvaccinated adults were 11 times more likely to die from Covid-19 than fully vaccinated adults, according to new data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
There's Now CDC Data on How Much More Likely Unvaxxed Adults Are to Die of Covid

Since vaccines are not 100% effective at preventing infection, some people who are fully vaccinated will still get COVID-19. These are also known as breakthrough cases.

Either you have heard that some vaccinated people have died of Covid, or you have not heard that some vaccinated people have died of Covid. Pretty straightforward.

It's not very common, but it can happen. Pretty much the way you can die in an auto accident, even if you always drive sober. But the odds are pretty clear, aren't they?

 

[Hammster]

It's not very common, but it can happen. Pretty much the way you can die in an auto accident, even if you always drive sober. But the odds are pretty clear, aren't they?

Dying from Covid is not very common, but it can happen.

 

[The Barbarian]

Dying from Covid is not very common, but it can happen.

Most people who get COVID-19 won't die. Let's take a look at the numbers....

United States COVID: 47,896,749 Cases and 783,481 Deaths - Worldometer

About one American died for every 420 Americans. So the odds are not horrible. It's surprisingly close to your chances of being killed by a drunk driver...
https://www.thezebra.com/resources/research/drunk-driving-statistics/

 

[JacksBratt]

No, since vaccinated people are much, much less likely to be infected. That matters. Just as a sober driver is much, much less likely to kill someone in an auto accident. That matters, too.



Then why do sober drivers need to wear a seat belt? You really don't know? Seriously?

Because the virus is much, much less likely to even exist in vaccinated people. Doesn't seem like a difficult thing to understand, does it?



You're less likely to get in an auto accident if the driver is sober. Less likely but not impossible.



Again... for the same reason sober drivers still have to wear seat belts. Think.



"A traffic safety engineer just stated, on the news radio, that sober drivers don't have to worry about drunk drivers."

No, I don't think so. There's still a small but significant risk that a vaccinated person can be infected. And if this guy is a doctor, he's a remarkably stupid one, since unvaccinated people are much, much more likely to be infected. And thereby are a hazard even if a small hazard to vaccinated people.



Yeah, that was more than a little stupid, wasn't it?

Again, you hold to your analogy of the seat belt as it supports your view. I will hold to the "lifejacket" as I believe it is a more realistic comparison. Some strong swimmers still drown.

But.. you hold to yours... I'll hold to mine.

 

[JacksBratt]

Mostly, the far right is outraged that there is a free press. Presently, anyone can put up their own website/media/etc. As noted above, the big complaint is that other media can't be forced to far-right propaganda. That's not censorship; they can say what they want, but they don't have the right to insist that other people help them say it.



Doesn't matter. You have a right to say what you please. You don't have a right to demand than anyone else give you a soapbox to say it on.



That's what happens when people spread lies and misinformation. But it's their playpen, not Donald's or Rand's. They want to spread their stuff, they'll need to find a venue that will tolerate it.



Yeah, that happens to porn sites, too. Turns out, you don't have a right to demand services from banks who don't want to be associated with you, either, (with a few exceptions specified by law). BTW, porn sites quickly found banks willing to work with them. I hear Donald has a good relationship with Alfa bank. Maybe they'd go for it. I guess Deutschebank isn't talking to him any more.



Yes. Would you like to see how?



It was kind of touching how the white supremacists thought that it would trigger normal Americans, wasn't it? One of the key elements of shrieking paranoia, is the belief that everyone watches you with great interest, and therefore spends an inordinate amount of time and effort to get you.



Yeah, like that. When the final breakdown comes, it's a confused rant about how Fox News is now liberal. Fun to watch, but kinda sad, too.

The far right is screaming for free press... The media is outright muzzling anything that leads to the right..That is blatantly obvious.
The left, they can say whatever they like... right or wrong..

An example of that is the huge law suit against the boy shamed while a native beat a drum... How much did they have to pay that young man for their lies and slander.

Look at the Rittenhouse trial.. That young man was slandered and lies were told about his actions. When he wins this case.. He will sue the media for this slander and be very rich.

Look at the example of burning and looting in Portland... "peaceful protest" while Jan six was presented as being worse than Nine eleven....

Just nonsense.. that goes on unchecked.

If the "right" posts the truth.. it gets censored, shut down, demonetized and or removed from the internet.

The "right" is not even close to being outraged due to free press.. It is outraged for the lack of it.

 

[JacksBratt]

Most people who get COVID-19 won't die. Let's take a look at the numbers....

United States COVID: 47,896,749 Cases and 783,481 Deaths - Worldometer

About one American died for every 420 Americans. So the odds are not horrible. It's surprisingly close to your chances of being killed by a drunk driver...
https://www.thezebra.com/resources/research/drunk-driving-statistics/

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So... why worry about it. If your vaccinated.. you may get sick for a couple of days... Let the non vaccinated have their right to "their body, their choice".

I'm not going to wear a mask, be angry at someone else for not getting chemicals injected in their body against their will..... so that I "Might" not get a flu.

 

[JacksBratt]

If Nazis, Marxists, Q Anon, KKK and the Taliban can do it yeah, pretty much everyone.

Ya, but the President of the US, Donald Trump, still doesn't have a twitter account.... You prove my point.

 

[JacksBratt]

Could be wrong but I think in Canada, which I'm a Canadian too, but I think the unvaccinated might be heading for more of a sense of being ostracized in the coming months. All vaxed people are going into sports events etc, etc, close proximity and if covid numbers go up they're going to blame the unvaccinated ...people that aren't even at the events. I hope not but we might be heading for the most unjustified accusation ever given in world history.

I know, right?
An "oldtimer" Hockey league, just outside of Toronto, just had all it's participants contract COVID and one died... all were vaccinated.

We Canadians are far more accepting of having our rights stepped on. The un-vaccintated are getting banned from certain places.

However, if I was an anti vaxer.... I would just accept it and not travel, play or watch sports, eat out, whatever, for the time being.

A small price to pay if I was scared of the vax.

Did they not state that, in Ontario, by March 25th, there will be no stipulations or need for "proof of Vax"... if all goes well?

 

[JacksBratt]

You know, one of the doctor here got bloodclots in his leg after spending time with vaccinated person.

And I have my own experience from the summer but little bit different.

These stories were banned from socialmedia. They want to cover everything negative about this jab.

Look at Govenor Newsome.... Got the booster and went into hiding for 10 days.... That raises some eyebrows... and doesn't pass the sniff test. Rumor was that he got Bells Palsy from the jab..

We will never know.

 

[The Barbarian]

Ya, but the President of the US, Donald Trump, still doesn't have a twitter account.... You prove my point.

He's been reminded by a number of judges that he's not president of the United States. He's just a guy who got tossed off a private website for lying and spreading false stories.

KKK can't post on Twitter either. For the same reasons. But they still have a web presence; they just don't get to demand that any company give them platform. Neither does Trump. Or you and I for that matter.

Blame it on that darn Bill of Rights, again.

 

[The Barbarian]

Look at Govenor Newsome.... Got the booster and went into hiding for 10 days.... That raises some eyebrows... and doesn't pass the sniff test. Rumor was that he got Bells Palsy from the jab..

We will never know.

Donald Trump said that if Ivanka wasn't his daughter, he'd be dating her. That raises some eyebrows...and doesn't pass the sniff test. Rumor was that they had that kind of a relationship.

We will never know.

C'mon. You're better than that kind of stuff.

 

[Hammster]

Most people who get COVID-19 won't die. Let's take a look at the numbers....

United States COVID: 47,896,749 Cases and 783,481 Deaths - Worldometer

About one American died for every 420 Americans. So the odds are not horrible. It's surprisingly close to your chances of being killed by a drunk driver...
https://www.thezebra.com/resources/research/drunk-driving-statistics/

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So with that said, there’s no need for everyone to be vaccinated.

 

[The Barbarian]

So... why worry about it. If your vaccinated.. you may get sick for a couple of days... Let the non vaccinated have their right to "their body, their choice".

So "who cares about kids too young to be vaccinated, or adults who can't get the vaccine for legitimate helath reasons?" Really? I just discovered the COVID-19 surge in Vermont is driven by younger, unvaccinated peopel. Who cares? I think we should all care.

I'm not going to wear a mask, be angry at someone else for not getting chemicals injected in their body against their will..... so that I "Might" not get a flu.

That's what's a lot of people said...

“I’m Sorry, It’s Too Late” – Doctor Reveals What She Tells Unvaccinated Patients Dying From Covid
“I’m Sorry, It’s Too Late” – Doctor Reveals What She Tells Unvaccinated Patients Dying From Covid

You see, it's not the flu. This one kills at a much higher rate than the flu. About one American in every 420 Americans died of COVID-19. And that's not the worst of it...

The Lancet (the major UK medical journal)
Estimating under-recognized COVID-19 deaths, United States, march 2020-may 2021 using an excess mortality modelling approach
July 13, 2021
Methods
We estimated COVID-19 unrecognized attributable deaths, from March 2020—April 2021, using all-cause deaths reported to NVSS by week and six age groups (0–17, 18–49, 50–64, 65–74, 75–84, and ≥85 years) for 50 states, New York City, and the District of Columbia using a linear time series regression model. Reported COVID-19 deaths were subtracted from all-cause deaths before applying the model. Weekly expected deaths, assuming no SARS-CoV-2 circulation and predicted all-cause deaths using SARS-CoV-2 weekly percent positive as a covariate were modelled by age group and including state as a random intercept. COVID-19–attributable unrecognized deaths were calculated for each state and age group by subtracting the expected all-cause deaths from the predicted deaths.
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Findings
We estimated that 766,611 deaths attributable to COVID-19 occurred in the United States from March 8, 2020—May 29, 2021. Of these, 184,477 (24%) deaths were not documented on death certificates. Eighty-two percent of unrecognized deaths were among persons aged ≥65 years; the proportion of unrecognized deaths were 0•24–0•31 times lower among those 0–17 years relative to all other age groups. More COVID-19–attributable deaths were not captured during the early months of the pandemic (March–May 2020) and during increases in SARS-CoV-2 activity (July 2020, November 2020—February 2021).

Which indicates that in the United States, about 1 person in 350 died of COVID-19 so far. That's a lot of people, many of whom died needlessly because they believed people who told them it was just flu, and it would go away like a miracle.

 

[probinson]

Vaccines don't stop the spread, they don't reduce case counts, they don't stop you from getting sick, they don't stop you from being hospitalized, and they don't stop you from dying. The immunity they provide apparently only lasts for a maximum of 6 months before the protection they provide wanes precipitously, which is why you're going to need boosters in perpetuity if you listen to these alleged "experts".

Despite all of the intense gaslighting, breakthrough cases are absolutely not "rare", at least not by any objective definition of that subjective word. Top that off with the understanding that "unvaccinated" people in the data presented in the US includes both partially vaccinated AND people whose vaccination status is unknown. Look at other countries that honestly report "partially vaccinated" stats and you'll find a different story.

Any justification for vaccine mandates has long since been shown to be utter cow flop.

 

[The Barbarian]

Vaccines don't stop the spread, they don't reduce case counts, they don't stop you from getting sick, they don't stop you from being hospitalized, and they don't stop you from dying.

Sorry, all of that is false, and you've seen the data showing this fact. No point in denial. Despite all your intense gaslighting, data shows that even partially-vaccinated people get some protection:

To determine whether COVID-19 illness was milder, study participants who became infected with SARS-CoV-2 were combined into a single group and compared to unvaccinated, infected participants. Several findings indicated that those who became infected after being fully or partially vaccinated were more likely to have a milder and shorter illness compared to those who were unvaccinated. For example, fully or partially vaccinated people who developed COVID-19 spent on average six fewer total days sick and two fewer days sick in bed. They also had about a 60 percent lower risk of developing symptoms, like fever or chills, compared to those who were unvaccinated. Some study participants infected with SARS-CoV-2 did not develop symptoms.


Other study findings suggest that fully or partially vaccinated people who got COVID-19 might be less likely to spread the virus to others. For example, fully or partially vaccinated study participants had 40 percent less detectable virus in their nose (i.e., a lower viral load), and the virus was detected for six fewer days (i.e., viral shedding) compared to those who were unvaccinated when infected. In addition, people who were partially or fully vaccinated were 66 percent less likely to test positive for SARS-CoV-2 infection for more than one week compared to those who were unvaccinated. While these indicators are not a direct measure of a person’s ability to spread the virus, they have been correlated with reduced spread of other viruses, such as varicella and influenza.
Coronavirus Disease 2019

Look at other countries that honestly report "partially vaccinated" stats and you'll find a different story.

Other nations? My first search was for the UK. Here you go:
To determine whether COVID-19 illness was milder, study participants who became infected with SARS-CoV-2 were combined into a single group and compared to unvaccinated, infected participants. Several findings indicated that those who became infected after being fully or partially vaccinated were more likely to have a milder and shorter illness compared to those who were unvaccinated. For example, fully or partially vaccinated people who developed COVID-19 spent on average six fewer total days sick and two fewer days sick in bed. They also had about a 60 percent lower risk of developing symptoms, like fever or chills, compared to those who were unvaccinated. Some study participants infected with SARS-CoV-2 did not develop symptoms.


Other study findings suggest that fully or partially vaccinated people who got COVID-19 might be less likely to spread the virus to others. For example, fully or partially vaccinated study participants had 40 percent less detectable virus in their nose (i.e., a lower viral load), and the virus was detected for six fewer days (i.e., viral shedding) compared to those who were unvaccinated when infected. In addition, people who were partially or fully vaccinated were 66 percent less likely to test positive for SARS-CoV-2 infection for more than one week compared to those who were unvaccinated. While these indicators are not a direct measure of a person’s ability to spread the virus, they have been correlated with reduced spread of other viruses, such as varicella and influenza.
https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/9475/21-09-29-covid19-publication_report.pdf

There's more. Would you like to see more?

 

[probinson]

“I’m Sorry, It’s Too Late” – Doctor Reveals What She Tells Unvaccinated Patients Dying From Covid
“I’m Sorry, It’s Too Late” – Doctor Reveals What She Tells Unvaccinated Patients Dying From Covid

Ah yes, Dr. Brytney Cobia, who wrote a viral post dripping with propaganda that the media gobbled up without verifying any of the claims in it.

And you believed it was true?

Cool! I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona I'll sell you real cheap!

 

[probinson]

Sorry, all of that is false,

Nope. The gaslighting is becoming less and less effective as we all begin to know people that are fully vaccinated with breakthrough infections that experience the same or worse symptoms than those who aren't vaccinated.

Let's take a look in at Vermont, which boasts one of the highest rate of fully vaccinated people in the country. Surely the case counts must be under control there, right?

Now how can that be? Vermont's cases are spiking to record highs, despite their high vaccination rate. Tell me again how vaccines slow the spread.