a Christian only topic of vaccine mandates

dogs4thewin · Sep 28, 2021

JIMINZ said:
The businesses only do that because the Govt. is chorusing them to do so.
Force your employees to get a Vaccination or face stiff fines.

It was not the Businesses idea .

nope a business can for the most part ( unless it involves a protected class which this is not set whatever rules they please hince the PRIVATE business. My father's final place of employment for example had a rule that new hires ( after a certain point) (grandfathered current employees in), but the rule was no tobacco use on the property. My father was a smoker and hired after the rule went into effect if M chose to smoke on the property any now he would have likely been fired because the rule was no tobacco use on the property and he would have shown himself unwilling to follow that simple, lawful company policy.

JIMINZ · Sep 28, 2021

dogs4thewin said:
nope a business can for the most part ( unless it involves a protected class which this is not set whatever rules they please hince the PRIVATE business. My father's final place of employment for example had a rule that new hires ( after a certain point) (grandfathered current employees in), but the rule was no tobacco use on the property. My father was a smoker and hired after the rule went into effect if M chose to smoke on the property any now he would have likely been fired because the rule was no tobacco use on the property and he would have shown himself unwilling to follow that simple, lawful company policy.

Bad example, that rule (mandate) was only in effect to help the company save money on it's fire insurance.

dogs4thewin · Sep 28, 2021

JIMINZ said:
Bad example, that rule (mandate) was only in effect to help the company save money on it's fire insurance.

No matter why the mandate was in place though the fact was that it was a lawful rule tobacco users are not a protected class, and so that private business could say that its use was not permitted on its property. Employees who were tobacco users could then either follow the rule and maintain employment, leave on their own free will or be fired for refusing to obey a lawful company policy.

JIMINZ · Sep 28, 2021

dogs4thewin said:
No matter why the mandate was in place though the fact was that it was a lawful rule tobacco users are not a protected class, and so that private business could say that its use was not permitted on its property. Employees who were tobacco users could then either follow the rule and maintain employment, leave on their own free will or be fired for refusing to obey a lawful company policy.

So then what your saying is, American Citizens who exercise their Constitutional and God given Right of Free Choice, are not a protected class.

Besides, those Employees asked for a job, they were not born in the Company the way a Citizen is born in a Country, I guess those who do not want to get a Vaccination should leave the Country,

But then again, Illegal Immigrants have the Right to Illegally cross our border and not be required by our Govt. to get a Vaccination.

Taodeching · Sep 28, 2021

JIMINZ said:
Is there a mandate from the United States Government, which orders (requires) it's Citizens to get a Vaccination for Covid 19?

No, Constitutionally it would be iffy. States though can mandate the vaccine which the SCOTUS was about

JIMINZ · Sep 28, 2021

Taodeching said:
No, Constitutionally it would be iffy. States though can mandate the vaccine which the SCOTUS was about

Therefore what the Govt is doing is playing word games.

Mandate sounds Official, sort of like a Law, doesn't it?

Biden says "I Mandate" this or that, when he has no real power to enforce them, but people do what he has mandated because they fear the Govt. and believe what the President says is Law.

Taodeching · Sep 28, 2021

Original Happy Camper said:
Secret FEMA Plan To Use Pastors as Pacifiers in Preparation For Martial Law

It is a 2006 article with these statements in it from another thread

"They're not using the term 'quarantine' - this is the term they're going to be using - it's called 'social distancing' don't you like that one," said the Pastor. (using it now)

Pastor Revere outlined the plan to carry out mass vaccination and enforced drugging programs in times of crisis such as a bird flu outbreak. (happening now)

"In the event of an outbreak or a bio-terrorist attack, there'd be a mass vaccination.
(it is happening now)

I FIND THE ABOVE FROM 2006 ARTICLE TO BE
DISHEARTENING

I find the above to be sensational and quite boorish

Taodeching · Sep 28, 2021

JIMINZ said:
Therefore what the Govt is doing is playing word games.

Not really. The Government can mandate for federal employees and the military which they have done. The President can not as of now mandate for the whole country Congress would need to do that. Which of course would end up going to the SCOTUS

JIMINZ · Sep 28, 2021

Taodeching said:
Not really.. The Government can mandate for federal employees and the military which they have done. The President can not as of now mandate for the whole country Congress would need to do that.

That is a given he is the Commander in Chief, everyone in Govt. is in Service.

The Congress is the Peoples voice, and they haven't Mandated anything as of yet.

dogs4thewin · Sep 28, 2021

JIMINZ said:
That is a given he is the Commander in Chief, everyone in Govt. is in Service.

The Congress is the Peoples voice, and they haven't Mandated anything as of yet.

But certain businesses and even people have respect that and either get the vaccine or not put up a fight when asked to leave or quit associating with them.

JIMINZ · Sep 28, 2021

dogs4thewin said:
But certain businesses and even people have respect that and either get the vaccine or not put up a fight when asked to leave or quit associating with them.

According to your poll, 67.9% said no while 25% said yes.

It would appear as though the people have spoken.

dogs4thewin · Sep 28, 2021

JIMINZ said:
According to your poll, 67% said no while 25% said yes.

It would appear as though the people have spoken.

This poll yes but not other polls and no matter what the polls here or otherwise say businesses and people in their personal lives for that matter are free to make the vaccine a condition of their business or even people's right to associate with them in a social setting.

JIMINZ · Sep 28, 2021

dogs4thewin said:
This poll yes but not other polls and no matter what the polls here or otherwise say businesses and people in their personal lives for that matter are free to make the vaccine a condition of their business or even people's right to associate with them in a social setting.

And don't forget even Refuse the Vaccination, isn't America great?

dogs4thewin · Sep 28, 2021

JIMINZ said:
And don't forget even Refuse the Vaccination, isn't America great?

That is what I was saying but refusing the vaccine can come with with limits imposed by others.

JIMINZ · Sep 28, 2021

dogs4thewin said:
This poll yes but not other polls and no matter what the polls here or otherwise say businesses and people in their personal lives for that matter are free to make the vaccine a condition of their business or even people's right to associate with them in a social setting.

Businesses aren't really free to make the Vaccine a condition of their business if the Govt. is chorusing them to do so, under penalty of a fine. $14,000 fine is not a free choice.

dogs4thewin · Sep 28, 2021

JIMINZ said:
Businesses aren't really free to make the Vaccine a condition of their business if the Govt. is chorusing them to do so, under penalty of a fine. $14,000 fine is not a free choice.

Wait which businesses are doing that?

JIMINZ · Sep 28, 2021

dogs4thewin said:
Wait which businesses are doing that?

Any Company which NOW says "Get Vaxxed or get out".

dogs4thewin · Sep 28, 2021

JIMINZ said:
Any Company which NOW says "Get Vaxxed or get out".

Wait a minutes companies were doing that before Biden's speech right?

JIMINZ · Sep 28, 2021

dogs4thewin said:
Wait a minutes companies were doing that before Biden's speech right?

Then Biden is a day late and a dollar short, as usual.
Why then did he impose fines on Companies?

dogs4thewin · Sep 28, 2021

JIMINZ said:
Then Biden is a day late and a dollar short, as usual.
Why then did he impose fines on Companies?

If they were not already doing that maybe but some already had a mandate before the speech.

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