a Christian only topic of vaccine mandates

[dogs4thewin]

Only if there is freedom of association in all facets of business and personal laws. Let's be consistent.

Not to mention the fact it's blatant blackmail. It sort of reminds me of the type of tricks Hitlers regime would devise. When they captured Soviet soldiers, the soldiers could sign a consent form enabling the Nazi ''doctors'' to tamper with their body with new experiments. Or get a bullet to the head. So the demand in this era is submit your bodies to questionable vaccinations or be punished. I see a similarity between the two.

Do what yeah you would still be free to refuse the vaccine, but doing so may come with more and more restrictions.

 

[renniks]

Other than maybe not be able to fully take part in American society. That is what I was saying if more and more pressure begins to be applied for mandates to the point that there are basically two classes of citizens ( which like it or not in this case is perfectly lawful.

How is it lawful,,?
It's a violation of basic human rights.

 

[pescador]

Only if there is freedom of association in all facets of business and personal laws. Let's be consistent.

Not to mention the fact it's blatant blackmail. It sort of reminds me of the type of tricks Hitlers regime would devise. When they captured Soviet soldiers, the soldiers could sign a consent form enabling the Nazi ''doctors'' to tamper with their body with new experiments. Or get a bullet to the head. So the demand in this era is submit your bodies to questionable vaccinations or be punished. I see a similarity between the two.

You see a similarity between the Nazis and the current COVID-19 vaccination policy? I don't see any similarity between the two. Apparently you are too familiar with the Third Reich. Nobody is going to put a bullet in your head!!

 

[dogs4thewin]

How is it lawful,,?
It's a violation of basic human rights.

Perfectly lawful Supreme court has long sense ruled That vaccine mandates are lawful.

 

[pescador]

How is it lawful,,?
It's a violation of basic human rights.

There is no violation of basic human rights to require that the citizens of a country be required to get protection from a transmissable virus. The health and safety of the society is at stake.

Love your neighbor as yourself.

 

[All Glory To God]

What are you talking about? The subject is indeed mandate/forced vaccination. Do you really not see the difference between a transmissible, deadly virus and pregnancy?

Would you describe yourself as a humourless soul?

 

[Taodeching]

The countries doing better controlling the virus are those who have accepted strict government mandates. Our "It's my right - you can't tell me what to do" attitude is not going to serve us well. What an irony that living in a free country could turn out to be our downfall.

At this point freedom has become a detriment not a positive, "my rights" have become an idol.

Love your neighbor as yourself.

To many this no longer applies in the new "brave" world

 

[pescador]

Would you describe yourself as a humourless soul?

No, not in the slightest. What does that have to do with mandate/forced vaccination?

 

[dqhall]

I have a thread JUST like this in the American politics forum so now for the strictly Christian version

I read yesterday that as of about four days ago some 56% of American adults support some form of vaccine mandates; meanwhile over half 51% supported them as a condition for indoor dining.

Do you support them if so under what conditions?

I support a business owner's right to require them of employees and more and more I am supporting them as a condition of large gatherings think concerts, sports games and the like

no here means that NO ONE should be permitted to have a mandate in other words if you vote no you are saying that neither government NOR private employers/ businesses should be able to enforce any kind of mandate.

The military has enforced vaccine mandates since George Washington had his troops immunized to prevent small pox.

My dad was an Air Force officer. I remembered getting immunizations as a child. If you serve in the military, you will be vaccinated.

“According to the Military Health System, there are currently several vaccines that are required including polio, the influenza, Measles-Mumps-Rubella, hepatitis A and chickenpox. Additions to the inoculation list of required vaccinations can be made in order to protect military forces against threats both new and old specific to their environment based on the potential of exposure to diseases like that posed by the COVID-19 and related variants.”
Immunization entwined in Armed Forces history > Air Force Materiel Command > Article Display

 

[JIMINZ]

No to government mandates. Yes to businesses being able to operate as they see fit.

What is the difference between a Black man in 1955 not being able to eat in a Restaurant, and any one who is not Vaccinated in 2021 not being able to eat in a Restaurant?

Nothing!

They are both examples of Discrimination, either by The Govt., or the Private owner.

Does anyone remember Lester Maddox? "I reserve the right to refuse service" - - Private owner
Does anyone remember George Wallace? "I will not allow Negroes to attend our Schools" - - Govt.

These are both examples of Racial Discrimination, which brought about Civil Rights Legislation.

One person denied of his Civil Rights, diminishes everyone's Civil Rights.

 

[JIMINZ]

Other than maybe not be able to fully take part in American society. That is what I was saying if more and more pressure begins to be applied for mandates to the point that there are basically two classes of citizens ( which like it or not in this case is perfectly lawful.

That sounds fearfully familiar

Ever hear of the Jim Crow Laws?

 

[dogs4thewin]

What is the difference between a Black man in 1955 not being able to eat in a Restaurant, and any one who is not Vaccinated in 2021 not being able to eat in a Restaurant?

Nothing!

They are both examples of Discrimination, either by The Govt., or the Private owner.

Does anyone remember Lester Maddox? "I reserve the right to refuse service" - - Private owner
Does anyone remember George Wallace? "I will not allow Negroes to attend our Schools" - - Govt.

These are both examples of Racial Discrimination, which brought about Civil Rights Legislation.

One person denied of his Civil Rights, diminishes everyone's Civil Rights.

Actually, there is. A BIG difference. You cannot help being black, however unless you are one of the few people with a medical reason not to get a vaccine you CAN help your refusal not to get a vaccine.

 

[dogs4thewin]

That sounds fearfully familiar

Ever hear of the Jim Crow Laws?

Yeah, I have and these ain't it. Look above for why.

 

[JIMINZ]

Do what yeah you would still be free to refuse the vaccine, but doing so may come with more and more restrictions.

Is a person really FREE to refuse a Vaccination for Covid19 if, he will be restricted, or in some way penalized until he makes a Free Will decision to do so?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Is a person really FREE to refuse a Vaccination for Covid19 if, he will be restricted, or in some way penalized until he makes a Free Will decision to do so?

Yes they are not holding a gun to your head.

 

[JIMINZ]

Yes they are not holding a gun to your head.

RIGHT.

 

[dogs4thewin]

RIGHT.

So if you do not get a vaccine you will not be shot but you will face limits on what you can do in public and non essential services you will be provided.

 

[JIMINZ]

So if you do not get a vaccine you will not be shot but you will face limits on what you can do in public and non essential services you will be provided.

Placing limits on a sector of a Society that does not follow the Govt's. bidding is by definition
Un-Constitutional.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Placing limits on a sector of a Society that does not follow the Govt's. bidding is by definition
Un-Constitutional.

Actually, the Supreme court ruled vaccine mandates legal decades ago

 

[JIMINZ]

Actually, the Supreme court ruled vaccine mandates legal decades ago

What was the ruling about, i'm sure it was some sort of a limited approval.