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A Century After the Race Massacre, Tulsa Confronts Its Bloody Past

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by SummerMadness, May 24, 2021.

  1. SummerMadness

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    A Century After the Race Massacre, Tulsa Confronts Its Bloody Past
     
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    We are looking at something that happened in 1921 in that time period it is regrettable but understandable that a white woman being raped by a black man followed by a white man being shot by a black man would result in a riot and burning down a portion of the city resulting in a death toll that was recorded at 10 whites and 26 black people. It is much less understandable today when a riot results in burning down a portion of a city and the loss of human life.
     
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  3. FreeinChrist

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    That is a sad apologetic based on bad facts. The article from the OP:

    A Century After The Race Massacre, Tulsa Confronts Its Bloody Past

    The massacre had been sparked by reports that a 19-year-old Black man had allegedly offended a 17-year-old white female elevator attendant. The murky incident got blown out of proportion by inflammatory newspaper accounts.
    The newspaper inflamed it to "rape" and a white crowd descended on the jail demanding the young man be given to them to lynch.

    Mass Grave Unearthed in Tulsa During Search for Massacre Victims

    The 1921 massacre began after white people tried to lynch a young Black man over allegations that he had attacked a young white woman who was an elevator operator at a drugstore. The man was cleared, but when a group of white men converged with a group of Black men at a police station, shots were fired and a fight broke out.​

    Your first sentence was wrong. The young man did not rape a white woman.


    It wasn't just burning down "a portion of the city" - it was the utter destruction of the wealthiest black neighborhood in the town, referred to as America’s Black Wall Street.
    from the OP article:

    According to the commission's report, the massacre destroyed some 40-square blocks in Greenwood. Nearly 10,000 people were left homeless as 1,256 homes were looted and burned down. And the thriving commercial district was destroyed — some of the finest Black-owned and operated businesses in the country, including hotels, restaurants, grocery stores, a theater, a roller skating rink, hospitals and doctors' offices, law firms and churches.
    Mass Grave Unearthed in Tulsa During Search for Massacre Victims

    When the carnage was over, the unofficial count of the victims ranged as high as 300. Officials forbade funerals and buried the victims hastily without death certificates or other records.
    It wasn't just 10 white men and 26 blacks.

    There is no defense for this. It was ungodly, unChristian hate that led to the deisre to lynch the young man and then attack a prosperous black neighborhood and utterly destroy it.
     
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    Why you would take the perpetrators accounts at face value is beyond me. Well, actually, I can think of some reasons.
     
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  5. SummerMadness

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    What the Tulsa Race Massacre Destroyed
     
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    Just this weekend I was chatting with a young man who is heading to Tulsa next week to commemorate the massacre. His grandmother was a survivor of the attack. It's rather haunting to see how proximal we are to such violence and terrorism. As we consider the anniversary of George Floyd's murder, I think back to Tulsa and atrocities like the murder of Emmett Till. We've come far, but we have a long way to go.
     
  7. disciple Clint

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    My facts are correct you can check them yourself Tulsa race massacre of 1921 | History & Facts
    Nothing about the facts improves the situation, it was wrong at the time it is still wrong today, it matters not who the participants are or what their reasons or excuses might be.
     
  8. disciple Clint

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    The facts came from historical events but you can think whatever supports your bias.
     
  9. SummerMadness

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    Some people always tell on themselves.
     
  10. disciple Clint

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    some dont have to tell me anything, I can see right through them.
     
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    Biden to travel to Oklahoma to commemorate 100th anniversary of Tulsa race massacre
     
  12. disciple Clint

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    what you are ignoring and what my comments were considering was the time element in 1921 things were much different than they are today, in 1921 the events that happened would not have been considered at all unusual, that is the point I was making, I was not justifying anything, as I said it was regrettable but not unexpected in that time period. I am going to assume that you simply misunderstood what I was saying and not trying to spin them. We do however need to face the facts that as far as things have come we still have people who think that it is perfectly justified to riot, assault people, and burn down part of a city.
     
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    I'm not sure of the salient feature you're trying to highlight by saying it was 1921. If all you're trying to say is this country's long history of whites enslaving, oppressing, terrorizing, murdering, and abusing blacks is a given, well then I agree.

    And, that's the whole point of highlighting the Tulsa Massacre. If you are so concerned about what happens today, then I expect to see you supporting the remembrance of atrocities committed in the past.
     
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    Reflections on the Artifacts Left Behind From the Tulsa Race Massacre
     
  15. FreeinChrist

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    Britanica supports what I wrote.

    "Tulsa race massacre of 1921, also called Tulsa race riot of 1921, one of the most severe incidents of racial violence in U.S. history. It occurred in Tulsa, Oklahoma, beginning on May 31, 1921, and lasting for two days. The massacre left somewhere between 30 and 300 people dead, mostly African Americans, and destroyed Tulsa’s prosperous Black neighbourhood of Greenwood, known as the “Black Wall Street.” More than 1,400 homes and businesses were burned, and nearly 10,000 people were left homeless. Despite its severity and destructiveness, the Tulsa race massacre was barely mentioned in history books until the late 1990s, when a state commission was formed to document the incident."​

    On May 30, 1921, Dick Rowland, a young African American shoe shiner, was accused of assaulting a white elevator operator named Sarah Page in the elevator of a building in downtown Tulsa. The next day, the Tulsa Tribune printed a story saying that Rowland had tried to rape Page, with an accompanying editorial stating that a lynching was planned for that night. That evening mobs of both African Americans and whites descended on the courthouse where Rowland was being held. When a confrontation between an armed African American man, there to protect Rowland, and a white protestor resulted in the death of the latter, the white mob was incensed, and the Tulsa massacre was thus ignited."
    You wrote, and note what I am making red:

    "We are looking at something that happened in 1921 in that time period it is regrettable but understandable that a white woman being raped by a black man followed by a white man being shot by a black man would result in a riot and burning down a portion of the city resulting in a death toll that was recorded at 10 whites and 26 black people."​

    He hadn't raped her. The Britanica piece also supports what I said about the white folks gathering to lynch the young man, and that black vets stepped in to protect him.
    The 'official' death toll was about 30 but experts believe it was far more. 10,000 homeless as a result.


    Don't diminish what happened. It is an ugly piece of US history and the attitude behind the events played out in much of the US for a long time. Still is in some ways.
     
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    Stop apologizing for or justifying it.
     
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  17. disciple Clint

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    Just so you understand, I am not doing either, I am setting it in historical perspective, nothing more or less that should be obvious.
     
  18. FreeinChrist

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    No, your first sentence was
    "We are looking at something that happened in 1921 in that time period it is regrettable but understandable that a white woman being raped by a black man followed by a white man being shot by a black man would result in a riot and burning down a portion of the city resulting in a death toll that was recorded at 10 whites and 26 black people."​

    However, it is not "understandable" and the white woman was not raped, and it is not was not okay to lynch the accused or demand to do that. The black men who defended the accused were vets. They were trying to prevent a crime by a white mob who went on to destroy homes and businesses of successful black folks.
    The white mob is responsible for their actions that day.
     
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    Once overlooked in classrooms, Tulsa race massacre now seen as 'important' lesson in Oklahoma schools
     
  20. disciple Clint

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    Do you not think that it is important to view things in a historical perspective? The values that you are using to make judgments are not the same values that were being used at that time. I perhaps should have use the word allegedly raped but my mind was on trying to make the actions of people in 1921 understandable to people of our times rather than attempting to asses blame. Anything that we look at in history has to be viewed through the eyes of the people of that time. We have that same problem with people who read the Bible and fail to think about the fact that God was dealing with people and a social situation that was much different than what we have today.
     
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