A Biblical Case For Repentance

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Rejection of the traditional will of man for the will of God.
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

We have all gotten off topic. Myself included. But this is an off topic discussion. Please see this new thread here on baptism to talk about baptism in relation to our salvation.

Which Baptisms is a Part of Your Salvation?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Sorry folks I am new here... will move this dialogue to another thread...

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

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This is an off topic discussion to the Sinner's Prayer. Please start another thread to discuss this particular line of thinking that you have made here.

Thank you;
And may God bless you.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Sorry but that is what it is all about. Priests and humans in general were never happy being told we have it all backwards.

This topic is still off topic to the Sinner's Prayer.

Like I said in relation to the topic.. the Lord's prayer..does it specifically mention seeking salvation in the prayer? No simply because saying the prayer is submitting to the will of God which is salvation in itself, no longer following the will of man. Man has it backwards.

Scripture says otherwise.

Luke 18 says,
13 "And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted." (Luke 18:13-14).

Luke 15 says,
18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry." (Luke 15:18-24).

Side Note: Jesus is our everlasting father because one day we will be resurrected after his likeness or body.

Romans 10 says,
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
(Romans 10:13).

 

[LoveofTruth]

the new covenant consist of being born again of water and the spirit. the spirit was not poured out until the day of Pentecost. This is when the new covenant came into effect. the guy on the cross was not under the new covenant as the holy ghost was not yet poured out and Jesus had not even resurrected yet.

Peter said Jesus was the Christ the Son of God and he said this by a revelation of the Father before Pentecost. To say that Jesus s the Christ the Son of God is to manifest that a person is saved. Jesus blessed Peter.

1 John 4:15. “Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.”

1 John 5:1. “Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.”

Also all the apostles were sheep of Jesus before Pentecost (Matthew 10:5,6,16 KJV) and they all were saved and belonged to the Father before Pentecost and beforevthey even met Jesus in the flesh. As scripture teaches,

“ John 17:6, 12 “I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word...12. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.”

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Sorry folks I am new here... will move this dialogue to another thread...

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.

I had forgotten, and I also have gotten off topic. So it is all good, brother. I just desire to abide by the site rules and be orderly and good in everything to the glory of Jesus Christ.

*Gives you a big hug in the Lord*

Anyways, I find the topic of the Sinner's Prayer to be fascinating because so many do not understand that the Bible does teach it.

 

[timothyu]

Scripture says otherwise.

I don't see any disagreement

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Peter said Jesus was the Christ the Son of God and he said this by a revelation of the Father before Pentecost. To say that Jesus s the Christ the Son of God is to manifest that a person is saved. Jesus blessed Peter.

1 John 4:15. “Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.”

1 John 5:1. “Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.”

Also all the apostles were sheep of Jesus before Pentecost (Matthew 10:5,6,16 KJV) and they all were saved and belonged to the Father before Pentecost and beforevthey even met Jesus in the flesh. As scripture teaches,

“ John 17:6, 12 “I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word...12. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.”

Good to see you brother. Yes, I agree. A person can be saved without the Sinner's Prayer. But many times, I think that a believer is saved by the Sinner's Prayer (along with believing in Jesus), too.

What is your view of the Sinner's Prayer? Do you believe it is biblical?
In Post #2 of this thread, I laid out my Biblical Case for Repentance, which I believe is seeking forgiveness with the Lord by way of prayer. The Sinner's Prayer would be included in what I believe is "repentance." I believe the fruits of repentance is one's "Works of Faith" or "Sanctification" that plays a part in the salvation process (After one is saved by God's grace through faith in Christ).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I don't see any disagreement

So you believe that the Sinner's Prayer is biblical?

 

[LoveofTruth]

Good to see you brother. Yes, I agree. A person can be saved without the Sinner's Prayer. But many times, I think that a believer is saved by the Sinner's Prayer (along with believing in Jesus), too.

What is your view of the Sinner's Prayer? Do you believe it is biblical?
In Post #2 of this thread, I laid out my Biblical Case for Repentance, which I believe is seeking forgiveness with the Lord by way of prayer. The Sinner's Prayer would be included in what I believe is "repentance." I believe the fruits of repentance is one's "Works of Faith" or "Sanctification" that plays a part in the salvation process (After one is saved by God's grace through faith in Christ).

Yes I agree that the person who said have mercy on me a sinner was saved and justified as Jesus said. Though there is not a formal “sinners prayer”, a heart cry unto God for sin and a change of mind about the way a person is going then looking unto God for his righteousness to save him and His provision God will not despise

Psalm 51:17. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.”

 

[timothyu]

So you believe that the Sinner's Prayer is biblical?

No but the reasoning behind it is

 

[Bible Highlighter]

No but the reasoning behind it is

So what do you make of the Tax Collector who cried out for mercy unto God by way of prayer in the Parable of the Tax Collector and the Pharisee? (See Luke 18:9-14). Is it just a metaphor of unreality to you? Did Jesus use fictional unreal events to make a point or did Jesus speak the truth? Is one speaking the truth if they are using a fictional story? Is not a fictional story technically a lie or a story that is not true?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Yes I agree that the person who said have mercy on me a sinner was saved and justified as Jesus said. Though there is not a formal “sinners prayer”, a heart cry unto God for sin and a change of mind about the way a person is going then looking unto God for his righteousness to save him and His provision God will not despise

Psalm 51:17. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.”

I am glad we can agree on this one, brother.

So many today deny this simple truth in the Scriptures (even when it is told plainly to them).
It is my prayer and hope that the Lord will open their eyes to them on this one.

Please be well, brother.

 

[timothyu]

Yes I agree that the person who said have mercy on me a sinner was saved and justified as Jesus said.

Because he rejected the self serving will of mankind in favour of the selfless will of God

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Because he rejected the self serving will of mankind in favour of the selfless will of God

So you are in favor of the Tax Collector crying out unto God to have mercy on him?
Is that not the Sinner's Prayer?

 

[timothyu]

So you are in favor of the Tax Collector crying out unto God to have mercy on him?
Is that not the Sinner's Prayer?

Jesus called the rejection of the will of man repentance.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jesus called the rejection of the will of man repentance.

I heard a lot of different definitions for repentance. This is a new one for me. What verse or verses do you draw this particular definition?

 

[timothyu]

I heard a lot of different definitions for repentance. This is a new one for me. What verse or verses do you draw this particular definition?

The entire Bible is about the effects of self will and God's continual call to us to reverse that choice originating with Eve. Jesus only asked us to reject that way of thinking and start loving neighbours as self, the opposite way of living that the Kingdom is built upon. Again He made it quite simple for simple folk to follow. It was those who sought to use it for gain for themselves that complicated it.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The entire Bible is about the effects of self will and God's continual call to us to reverse that choice originating with Eve. Jesus only asked us to reject that way of thinking and start loving neighbours as self, the opposite way of living that the Kingdom is built upon. Again He made it quite simple for simple folk to follow. It was those who sought to use it for gain for themselves that complicated it.

I asked you for a verse or passage on your definition of your version of repentance that you recently stated. Instead, you went off on some other tangent. Please provide for me the verse or passages that defends your unique definition on repentance. Thank you.

 

[timothyu]

Please provide for me the verse or passages that defends your unique definition on repentance. Thank you.

Would you like the 70 or so verses that talk on the Kingdom on God or the entire chapters that compare the ways on the Kingdom to the world on man? Can do but it will use a lot on needless space .. unless on course you are unaware of what Jesus taught about low the two were opposite in nature..