A Biblical Case For Repentance

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Would you like the 70 or so verses that talk on the Kingdom on God or the entire chapters that compare the ways on the Kingdom to the world on man? Can do but it will use a lot on needless space .. unless on course you are unaware of what Jesus taught about low the two were opposite in nature..

No. You need to tie in the word "repent" or the word "repentance" with YOUR unique definition of repentance that you gave me. Just one verse. That is all I desire. But seeing you are not giving me any verses so far, this leads me to believe that you really do not have any real evidence to back up your odd definition for repentance that you gave me. Give me Scripture. That is what needs to happen next if you want to defend what you really say.

 

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odd definition for repentance

What is odd about it?

 

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Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Converted from what? Many will say from death to eternal life, flesh to spirit. Others will say from non-believers to believers. How many consider what Jesus commanded, from following our own will to following the will of God instead, a complete turn around in nature from man's traditional ways. Are not conversion and change the same? Change (from what to what)

Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance... Different fruits.. from what kind to what
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Mark 1: 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. Why the Gospel? Because it is opposite to the ways of man.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. Turn to God from what.. oh right the will of man that got us kicked out of the Garden.

 

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Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Converted from what? Many will say from death to eternal life, flesh to spirit. Others will say from non-believers to believers. How many consider what Jesus commanded, from following our own will to following the will of God instead, a complete turn around in nature from man's traditional ways. Are not conversion and change the same? Change (from what to what)

Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance... Different fruits.. from what kind to what
kind

Mark 1: 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. Why the Gospel? Because it is opposite to the ways of man.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. Turn to God from what.. oh right the will of man that got us kicked out of the Garden.

In Post #256 you said, I quote:
"Jesus called the rejection of the will of man repentance." ~ Timothyu.

So far the verses you presented do not say what you have said here.
Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus ever use these exact words that you have said.
Nor did He imply such a thing, either.

Your definition is too broad a term. How do you even apply a rejection of the will of man? What about God's will and His commands?

I believe the Scripture teaches that the word "repent" means "to seek forgiveness." Let me give you an example in the Scriptures on the word "repent" to help you to see where I am coming from.

Luke 17:3 says, "Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him." This doesn't make any sense if "repent" means believe in Jesus (as some teach) or to have a change of mind about sin (as others teach) or to exclusively forsake sin. Yes, we are to forsake sin as a part of repentance but that comes later after repentance (Which is to ask God for forgiveness of our sin). For how can we reconcile with a brother if we do not say we are sorry vs. just going on about life as if we did nothing wrong?

When a man of God tells men to repent, it is towards God or the Lord. They are to seek forgiveness with God. How so?

We see in Acts of the Apostles 8:22 a clear example of Peter telling Simon to "repent" of his wickedness in trying to pay for the Holy Spirit. Peter is telling Simon to make a prayer towards God. For Peter says that he should pray that God might forgive him. In other words, Peter is telling Simon to repent of a one time event of wickedness by way of prayer to GOD. This only makes sense if "repent" means to "ask for forgiveness."

 

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What is odd about it?

It is odd because it is the first time I have ever heard such a definition. I have heard many other definitions but your definition is unlike anything I have ever head before and there is no actual verse or passage where Jesus gives us this definition as you have stated it for repentance. Nor does He imply such a thing.

We see repentance is the topic of discussion in Luke 15 (Luke 15:6) (Luke 15:10); This is then followed up by the "Parable of the Prodigal Son" with the son desiring to be reconciled with his father. We learn the WAY the Prodigal Son desired to be reconciled with his father when he said,

"I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants." (Luke 15:18-19).

In other words, the Prodigal Son was seeking forgiveness. This ties into the point of repentance in Luke 15:6 and Luke 15:10 (Which was in the other two parables).

 

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How do you even apply a rejection of the will of man? What about God's will and His commands?

Conversion and change is not apparent in those scriptures? I beg to differ.
What about God's will and commandments? That is clearly rejection of the ways of man because man traditionally does not put the will of God first nor does man prefer loving neighbour as self compared to the favourite gain at the expense of others. You can't seek forgiveness if you don't first change.

 

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Conversion and change is not apparent in those scriptures? I beg to differ.
What about God's will and commandments? That is clearly rejection of the ways of man because man traditionally does not put the will of God first nor does man prefer loving neighbour as self compared to the favourite gain at the expense of others. You can't seek forgiveness if you don't first change.

I am not denying that there is a change involved when a person repents. A person obviously changes even when they seek forgiveness with God by way of prayer. But that is not what you said before. You were talking about the rejection of man's will as being the definition of repentance. You said Jesus had said this, but you have failed to provide an exact quote of Jesus of where He stated this within the Scriptures.

 

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You said Jesus had said this, but you have failed to provide an exact quote of Jesus of where He stated this within the Scriptures.

Jesus was all about change. It was His Gospel of the kingdom. And why would anyone seek forgiveness of that which they have no idea they need forgiving of. Actually why seek forgiveness if one us unwilling to seek change first.

 

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Jesus was all about change. It was His Gospel of the kingdom. And why would anyone seek forgiveness of that which they have no idea they need forgiving of. Actually why seek forgiveness if one us unwilling to seek change first.

Again, this is not a verse or passage whereby Jesus says repentance is a rejection of man's will. Your avoidance of bringing up such a verse simply shows that you are simply making things up that are not there in the Bible.

As for forgiveness: We have already been over this. Forgiveness with God is dealing with the forgiveness of one's sins. You act like we have not talked about this before.

 

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Forgiveness with God is dealing with the forgiveness of one's sins.

And the only sin is putting our will ahead of God's will, just as Eve did. Self in front of selflessness.

 

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And the only sin is putting our will ahead of God's will, just as Eve did. Self in front of selflessness.

Right, but that is not what repent means. Repent means to seek forgiveness of one's sins (Generally with the Lord our God by way of prayer). You can even repent towards another human being if you have wronged them, too. I have provided the verses already for this in a previous post to you. You have either ignored it or you did not understand it.

 

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ight, but that is not what repent means. Repent means to seek forgiveness of one's sins

Changing the act of putting our will ahead of God's.

 

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Changing the act of putting our will ahead of God's.

It appears that we are going nowhere in this conversation.

I am moving on, unless you can provide a verse that tells us about how Jesus said that repentance is defined as a rejection of man's will. I know my New Testament. No such verse or passage explicitly states what you said before.

 

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I am moving on, unless you can provide a verse that tells us about how Jesus said that repentance is defined as a rejection of man's will.

What I presented showed change from something and that something was what I said, putting the self serving will of man before the will of God.. Stalemate. Let it be so.

 

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What I presented showed change from something and that something was what I said, putting the self serving will of man before the will of God.. Stalemate. Let it be so.

There is no stale mate. You have yet to provide any verse or passage showing Jesus had told us that repentance is defined as a rejection of man's will as you have previously stated. No such verse or passage exists in the Bible that even suggests this.

 

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rejection of man's will as you have previously stated

Then what did Jesus say to reject?

 

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Then what did Jesus say to reject?

The point here is that Jesus did not say to reject man's will as a part of the definition of repentance in the Bible.

Oh, and you need to provide the verse and not me. It's your odd belief and not mine. You need to present your case with Scripture that clearly says what you originally stated. There is no exact quote in the Bible says what you stated (or even implies such a thing).

 

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You need to present your case with Scripture that clearly says what you originally stated.

I'll simply say Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom.

 

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The thread topic is about the Sinner's Prayer.

I have presented my case in Post #2 that "repent" means to seek forgiveness of one's sin or sins (Which is generally in reference to seeking forgiveness of one's sins with God or the Lord). This is my defense for the Sinner's Prayer in the Bible. Folks need to address these verses and explain them from their perspective to show that my normal plain straight forward reading on these verses are wrong (if they feel that the Sinner's Prayer is not taught in the Bible).

 

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The point here is that Jesus did not say to reject man's will as a part of the definition of repentance in the Bible.

(Which is generally in reference to seeking forgiveness of one's sins with God or the Lord)

What would be the point of keeping man's will?