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[jimmyjimmy]

Absolutely. But do I think their lives were more valuable than that of a "crackhead"?

Absolutely not.

And if you know anything about Mother Teresa or Princess Diana, you know that they didn't think their lives were more valuable than anyone else's either.

Did they do more for mankind than a 1,000 crackheads?

 

[amariselle]

If you can't see that, I'll never be ale to help you see it. I can't even fathom how you could ask such a question.

Really? I can't "fathom" how you think you have any right to say one person's life is of more value than another person's life.

If you can't see how such a judgement is absolutely wrong and against everything Jesus called us to do in loving our neighbours, loving our enemies, and helping the less fortunate, then I can't help you see that.

 

[RedPonyDriver]

Did they do more for mankind than a 1,000 crackheads?

It's a very simple question...quit trying to duck it. Are ALL people made in the image and likeness of God? Where's the list of exceptions in the bible? Scripture says things like "love one another as I have loved you", "those who live by the sword will die by the sword", and lots of warnings against pride or thinking yourself better than others.

 

[4x4toy]

Luke 14:34-35 ?

 

[amariselle]

Did they do more for mankind than a 1,000 crackheads?

See, this is your problem. You think the value of a person's life is based on what they do, it's not. It is God Who gives each person's life value, and what each person chooses to do with their life does not change that. (Keeping in mind of course that people don't actually choose to be a "crackheads", addiction is almost always a consequence of life circumstances which the person judging knows little or nothing about)

And if Mother Teresa and Princess Diana had thought as you do, do you honestly think they would have even bothered helping the less fortunate?

Those who look down their noses at others are not in any way inclined to help them.

Also, using your argument, an unborn baby's life would have no value either, as they have done nothing with their life to give it any value.

Can you honestly not see the problem with your reasoning?

 

[ewq1938]

It's a very simple question...quit trying to duck it. Are ALL people made in the image and likeness of God? Where's the list of exceptions in the bible? Scripture says things like "love one another as I have loved you", "those who live by the sword will die by the sword", and lots of warnings against pride or thinking yourself better than others.

Psa 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

 

[amariselle]

Luke 14:34-35 ?

Luke 18:9-14

 

[4x4toy]

Luke 10:11

 

[Cis.jd]

Did Isaac Newton matter more than Hitler? Could we not attribute more value to mankind to Newton than Hitler?

Did William Shakespeare matter more than Justin Bieber ever will? Socrates more than Snoop Dog? Abraham Lincoln more than Al Sharpton?

Is it true that some lives matter more than others? Would you trade the life Jonas Salk (cured polio) for that of Kim Kardashian?

How about serial killers like Ted Bundy? Does your life matter more than his?

Do Some Lives Matter More Than Others?

With the killers, yes. Hitler and Bundy are two people i can't consider human.

With the kardashians... they do not deserve their fame and wealth.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

The value of a person IS precisely the value he/she adds to mankind. Jesus taught this:

The Parable of the Talents
14 “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants[a] and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents,[b] to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money. 19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant.[c] You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here I have made two talents more.’ 23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

 

[amariselle]

Luke 10:11

What does that verse have to do with someone's intrinsic value?

 

[ewq1938]

Psalms 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Really? I can't "fathom" how you think you have any right to say one person's life is of more value than another person's life.

If you can't see how such a judgement is absolutely wrong and against everything Jesus called us to do in loving our neighbours, loving our enemies, and helping the less fortunate, then I can't help you see that.

I never said not to love neighbors, did I? You seem to have problems making distinctions.

 

[amariselle]

I never said not to love neighbors, did I? You seem to have problems making distinctions.

But how are you loving your neighbours if you think some of them are less valuable than others?

 

[alsughasoughaiuyfygh]

Unfortunately, that's the mindset of humanity. From personal experience, humans don't care about your character, they only care about what you can contribute to the world. Otherwise, things like eugenics wouldn't have existed. Why save a thousand people with disabilities when you can save a single able-bodied genius? He can contribute so much more than these useless eaters, right?

Humans are naturally prideful and selfish creatures that demand perfection. That's why they hate each other. Until Jesus comes back, that's how it will always be.

 

[RedPonyDriver]

Well @thatbrian I can see that you do not believe that all men are created in the image and likeness of our Creator, and you don't believe that people have any intrinsic value...their only value is what they do for "mankind".

Tell me, are you "pro-life"? What has an unborn fetus done for mankind?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

But how are you loving your neighbours if you think some of them are less valuable than others?

Very easily. I don't love people based on how much they matter (their worth to mankind). In fact, I do the reverse.

 

[RedPonyDriver]

Very easily. I don't love people based on how much they matter (their worth to mankind). In fact, I do the reverse.

You make absolutely no sense at all. You judge worthiness based on how much someone matters. How can you "love" someone you consider unworthy?

 

[amariselle]

Very easily. I don't love people based on how much they matter (their worth to mankind). In fact, I do the reverse.

So, if you don't love people based on "their worth to mankind", why were you suggesting that a "crackhead" has less value than Moses, Mother Teresa or Princess Diana?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Yes or no...
Are ALL people made in the image and likeness of their Creator?

I know a now ex-crackhead who is now bringing many other addicts to Christ, health and wholeness. Who are you to say that a crackhead is not of value to God?

I am not sure if they are meaning that, but in a crackhead state the person certainly is not providing a benefit to society as a whole.