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[Spiritual Jew]

It is more sad to see people who simply fail to read all the effects of when the New Covenant does happen.
None of the scriptures you loaded you post with, actually specify when the NC will become fully in effect. Hebrews 8:10-12
Are all God's Laws in our hearts now?
Are we are cohesive group, who have God as our God and are His people?
Do we not have to teach one another; know the Lord?
Are our all wicked deeds pardoned and remembered no more?
None of these things have fully happened yet.

After those days.....verse 10, refers to what Jeremiah 31:1-40 prophesied to happen before this NC is made.

You are so sadly lacking in spiritual discernment regarding things like this. What more did Christ need to do than shed His blood to put the new covenant into full effect? Are you kidding me? This is just outrageous. Read BABerean2's post #358 and learn something.

You and nolidad just have no idea how insulting your doctrine is to what Christ accomplished long ago. It's shameful.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

It is sad to see the number of New Covenant deniers on this forum.

It is no wonder the Church is in a state of confusion, when many deny what is plainly written below in an attempt to get their man-made doctrines to work.

If Christ shed His blood at Calvary, the New Covenant must be in effect.

I couldn't agree more. For anyone to deny that the new covenant is in effect makes me sick. It's disgusting. It shows a complete lack of understanding what our Lord and Savior accomplished with His death and resurrection. Without the new covenant being in effect there is no salvation! How can they not understand this?

If the new covenant is not yet in effect than that would mean the old covenant is still in effect. But, that is not the case because Christ nailed the old covenant and its burdensome ordinances to His cross.

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

He took the old covenant away and replaced it with the better new covenant.

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

 

[keras]

The master teacher is found below.

If you do not have it, I pray that you will soon receive it.

See 1 John 2:27 to see why some of us already have the master teacher.


Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.


Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.


Rom 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.


1Co 3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?


1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
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Yes BaB, we have those things now, partially at least, but as a nation of Christians, we have not yet made a Covenant with God.

You avoided my questions.

Is Hebrews 8-12 in your Bible? Have you ever read the book of Hebrews even once in your life? I don't know how anyone could read Hebrews chapters 8-12 and conclude that God would ever want animal sacrifices and offerings again.

I just quoted some of Hebrews 8 in #356.

There is many prophesies that confirm the fact of future animal sacrifices. Your failure to even acknowledge them, is your bad.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Yes BaB, we have those things now, partially at least, but as a nation of Christians, we have not yet made a Covenant with God.

What? The new covenant is not a covenant people make with God, it is a covenant God made to provide a way of salvation for mankind through the shed blood of His Son.

Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

I just quoted some of Hebrews 8 in #356.

So, you have read it, but you clearly have no understanding of what it says.

There is many prophesies that confirm the fact of future animal sacrifices. Your failure to even acknowledge them, is your bad.

Your failure to acknowledge that God was not pleased with animal sacrifices and had His Son make the ultimate sacrifice to put an end to animal sacrifices forever is your bad.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

^ the one built of wood .... tripidicious

 

[jgr]

At present we, Jews and gentiles; have no Covenant.

Besides still waiting for you to show me the fulfikment of teh New Covenant as already happened.

The Holy Spirit and the writer of Hebrews have an exceedingly somber message for those who have accepted Christ's free gift of salvation, but then deny and reject the fulfillment, presence, and power of the New Covenant, by the Blood of which they have been saved and sanctified.

Hebrews 10
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

If you're denying and rejecting the New Covenant, then you're also denying and rejecting the Blood of the New Covenant.

Do you need to pay heed?

 

[keras]

Do you need to pay heed?

You all need to read and understand ALL of the Bible.
Making doctrines on selected verses is gross error.

I have posted the tenets of the New Covenant. They are not fulfilled as yet.
I do not reject it, [what a rude accusation!] I look forward to the time when God will cut it with His people, when they are settled into all of the holy Land. Jeremiah 30 and 31

 

[jgr]

You all need to read and understand ALL of the Bible.
Making doctrines on selected verses is gross error.

I have posted the tenets of the New Covenant. They are not fulfilled as yet.
I do not reject it, [what a rude accusation!] I look forward to the time when God will cut it with His people, when they are settled into all of the holy Land. Jeremiah 30 and 31

To whom is Hebrews 10:28-29 referring?

Explain for all of us how the Blood of the New Covenant exists without the New Covenant.

Or don't you believe that the Blood of the New Covenant exists either?

 

[BABerean2]

There is many prophesies that confirm the fact of future animal sacrifices. Your failure to even acknowledge them, is your bad.

You cannot find the fulfillment of the New Covenant in the New Testament, but you can find a return to animal sacrifices in scripture.

What is wrong with this picture?

It reminds me of a guy who once claimed there would be Thermite reactions on the moon, even though the chemicals required for the reaction are not found on the moon.


Heb_10:6 IN BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAD NO PLEASURE.


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[Spiritual Jew]

You all need to read and understand ALL of the Bible.
Making doctrines on selected verses is gross error.

We all make doctrines based on selected verses. Does your doctrine on this include every verse in the Bible? Of course not. So, your statement is ridiculous.

I have posted the tenets of the New Covenant. They are not fulfilled as yet.
I do not reject it, [what a rude accusation!] I look forward to the time when God will cut it with His people, when they are settled into all of the holy Land. Jeremiah 30 and 31

The blood of Christ established the new covenant. It is the means by which we are saved. And you do reject that and it's not rude to point out such a horrible misunderstanding of the new covenant. This is Christianity 101 and you're failing the class.

 

[nolidad]

Did you somehow miss this:

Ezekiel 45:15 And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, saith the Lord God. 16 All the people of the land shall give this oblation for the prince in Israel. 17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

What were you saying about "just not the sin offering"? If you believe that Ezekiel 40-48 is about a future millennial temple then you believe there will be a return to the sin offering.

Well my bad! I was thinking of the passover lamb and not the general sin offerings like the trespass and so on. I should have been more specific. But yes there is the offerings for sins in the millenial temple. While similarities exist they are not the same as the Mosaic sacrifices.

The difference is there is no passover lamb. The difference is that David (the prince) will offer the sin offering. So it is not a retunr to the Mosaic sacrifical system, but it is the millenial system.

 

[keras]

This is Christianity 101 and you're failing the class.

Jesus is my Judge.
You lot seem incapable of understanding the Plans and purposes of God.
The end times will be quite a surprise to you.

 

[nolidad]

Has Christ already died?

Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.


Can you find the word "now" in the verse below?

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.


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Okay! so now as I have asked over 30 times now, how these verses have fulfilled teh terms of teh New Covenant that God declared in Jeremiah 31:31-34:

Jeremiah 31:31-34
King James Version

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


It is you that says the New covenant was in effect and now fulfilled! Not me. All I have been repeatedly asking you is to demonstrate how all the verses you keep repeating has fulfilled the New Covenant as is written in the bible! Is there something about my request you do not understand?

 

[nolidad]

Is Hebrews 8-12 in your Bible? Have you ever read the book of Hebrews even once in your life? I don't know how anyone could read Hebrews chapters 8-12 and conclude that God would ever want animal sacrifices and offerings again.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

It's not possible to read a passage like this and then conclude that God would ever want to reinstate animal sacrifices and offerings ever again. The animal sacrifices and offerings from which He received "no pleasure" and did not want because they could not "take away sins". The purpose of the animal sacrifices and offering were only to foreshadow Christ's sacrifice and that is all. They no longer serve any purpose and never will again.

God was fully pleased with the sacrifice of His Son who "offered one sacrifice for sins forever" which was "once for all". Why in the world would God ever want to reinstate animal sacrifices and offerings in the light of the ultimate sacrifice and offering already made by His Son long ago? What an insult to Christ that would be! You are completely lacking in discernment regarding this.

Yes, I do, because I have the mind of Christ.

1 Cor 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

It is sad you took the name Spiritual Jew and yet you do not know the biblical difference between an offering for sin and an offering for an atonement for sin. There was and will be a huge difference!

There will be no sacrifice for atonement in the millenium. there will be offerings for sin but not to atone or cover. And it will be for Israel and not the gentile nations i the millenial kingdom.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

It is sad you took the name Spiritual Jew and yet you do not know the biblical difference between an offering for sin and an offering for an atonement for sin. There was and will be a huge difference!

What is the difference and where is that explained in scripture? Show me the scripture. Your opinions mean nothing without scriptural support for them.

There will be no sacrifice for atonement in the millenium. there will be offerings for sin but not to atone or cover. And it will be for Israel and not the gentile nations i the millenial kingdom.

Once again you have failed to look at the text closely.

You believe this will happen in the millennium and you're trying to tell me it doesn't mention offerings for sin to atone or cover?

Ezekiel 45:15 Also one sheep is to be taken from every flock of two hundred from the well-watered pastures of Israel. These will be used for the grain offerings, burnt offerings and fellowship offerings to make atonement for the people, declares the Sovereign Lord. 16 All the people of the land will be required to give this special offering to the prince in Israel. 17 It will be the duty of the prince to provide the burnt offerings, grain offerings and drink offerings at the festivals, the New Moons and the Sabbaths—at all the appointed festivals of Israel. He will provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings and fellowship offerings to make atonement for the Israelites.

To think this will happen in the future completely contradicts what is taught in the book of Hebrews.

Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Okay! so now as I have asked over 30 times now, how these verses have fulfilled teh terms of teh New Covenant that God declared in Jeremiah 31:31-34:

Jeremiah 31:31-34
King James Version

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


It is you that says the New covenant was in effect and now fulfilled! Not me. All I have been repeatedly asking you is to demonstrate how all the verses you keep repeating has fulfilled the New Covenant as is written in the bible! Is there something about my request you do not understand?

Just read the book of Hebrews and you will have your answer. Stop asking the question. It's all there in the book of Hebrews. Do you have something against that book?

 

[BABerean2]

Okay! so now as I have asked over 30 times now, how these verses have fulfilled teh terms of teh New Covenant that God declared in Jeremiah 31:31-34:

Jeremiah 31:31-34
King James Version

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


It is you that says the New covenant was in effect and now fulfilled! Not me. All I have been repeatedly asking you is to demonstrate how all the verses you keep repeating has fulfilled the New Covenant as is written in the bible! Is there something about my request you do not understand?

It is an interesting game you are playing here for all members of this forum to witness.

Your answer is found in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 9:15, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and 1 John 2:27, but you pretend to not see what is plainly written in the Word of God.

You are like the coach of a football team who refuses to look at the scoreboard because he is losing the game, but claims instead his team is winning.

It is a form of altered reality.
This is a common type of behavior for those who try to make modern Dispensational Theology work.

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[Timtofly]

Read your Bible.

Cain and Abel never lived in the Garden of Eden.

Read your Bible. They did.

 

[keras]

Once again you have failed to look at the text closely.

Once again, you and BaB have failed to read all the relevant scriptures.

Psalms 51:18-19 Now Lord, show Your favour to Zion and rebuild Jerusalem. Then You will delight in the appointed sacrifices, young bulls will be offered in Your altar.

Isaiah 56:7 These [foreigners] I shall bring to My holy Land and give them joy in My Sanctuary of Prayer. Their offerings and sacrifices will be acceptable on My Altar.

Jeremiah 17:24-26 Now, if you obey the Lord’s Commandments, then a ruler will again occupy David’s throne and Jerusalem will be inhabited forever. Then people will come bringing whole offerings, sacrifices as thank offerings to the Lord’s House.

Jeremiah 33:14-18 The days are coming when I shall bless Judah and Israel…….there will always be a Levitical Priest to burn the grain and other offerings every day.

Ezekiel 45:13-25 The details of and the dates for making all the sacrifices and offerings on the Altar of the Temple.

Zechariah 14:21…all who come to make sacrifice will use the holy pots in Jerusalem to boil the flesh of the sacrifice……

Isaiah 60:6-7 Livestock in droves will be in the Land to serve your needs, as acceptable offerings on My Altar and I will adorn My glorious Temple.


The context of these scriptures proves that all this will be for the last days’ period before the Return of Jesus. What will happen during the Millennium isn’t told to us, although there will be priest’s then. Revelation 20:6

But we know there will be no Temple in Eternity. Revelation 21:22

 

[BABerean2]

Once again, you and BaB have failed to read all the relevant scriptures.

Psalms 51:18-19 Now Lord, show Your favour to Zion and rebuild Jerusalem. Then You will delight in the appointed sacrifices, young bulls will be offered in Your altar.

Isaiah 56:7 These [foreigners] I shall bring to My holy Land and give them joy in My Sanctuary of Prayer. Their offerings and sacrifices will be acceptable on My Altar.

Jeremiah 17:24-26 Now, if you obey the Lord’s Commandments, then a ruler will again occupy David’s throne and Jerusalem will be inhabited forever. Then people will come bringing whole offerings, sacrifices as thank offerings to the Lord’s House.

Jeremiah 33:14-18 The days are coming when I shall bless Judah and Israel…….there will always be a Levitical Priest to burn the grain and other offerings every day.

Ezekiel 45:13-25 The details of and the dates for making all the sacrifices and offerings on the Altar of the Temple.

Zechariah 14:21…all who come to make sacrifice will use the holy pots in Jerusalem to boil the flesh of the sacrifice……

Isaiah 60:6-7 Livestock in droves will be in the Land to serve your needs, as acceptable offerings on My Altar and I will adorn My glorious Temple.


The context of these scriptures proves that all this will be for the last days’ period before the Return of Jesus. What will happen during the Millennium isn’t told to us, although there will be priest’s then. Revelation 20:6

But we know there will be no Temple in Eternity. Revelation 21:22

You claim all of the above scripture is for the period of time between Christ's Second Coming and the New Heavens and New Earth, but once again you ignore all of the scripture which proves you are wrong.

You deny the New Covenant is now in effect by ignoring Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 9:15, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24.

You ignore 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Peter 3:10-13, and Revelation 11:15-18, which reveal the New Heavens and New Earth come at the Second Coming of Christ.

You ignore what Paul said in 2 Timothy 4:1 about Christ judging both the living and the dead at His appearing.

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