7 Day creation- literal or figurative?

[Kenneth Redden]

Let see what it is.

Okay, thanks. The first thing to do is to accept the premise and the perspective.

We are reading the KJV Bible, as one would today. There are two messages in the KJV Bible. The first message is for those long ago, on which the Christian Church is fixated, but rightly so. And the second message is regarding the days of the Creation, written for us here today, in the 21st Century.

 

[Aman777]

"For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." - Exodus 20:11

The six day creation must be literal, because God plainly says he created the universe in six days. Even if you could read Genesis 1 and 2 figuratively, such as is proposed by the framework hypothesis, you still run into the insurmountable obstacle of reconciling that view with Exodus 20:11. The context of the passage very clearly shows that the subject is regular 24 hour days. God says he made everything in six of these. If you believe the bible is inerrant, I don't see how you can believe God didn't create everything in six days.

Do I understand how to reconcile this truth with the scientific evidence? Nope. Nor do I much care. I believe the bible is the word of God and without error, therefore since God says he created everything in six days, it must be true, regardless of what the wisdom of man says.

Amen and IF Genesis IS True, then it Must agree with that Scriptural Fact, and it does IF you have the proper interpretation. It also agrees, in every way, with every discovery of Science and History IF you read it for what it says instead of what some religious opinion says it says.

Religion is man's thinking of what is written and God's Truth is the total agreement of Scripture, Science and History. In the end of the Creation, everyone will see that God made the perfect 3rd Heaven in 6 of His Days, each of which is Billions of years in length, in man's time. God has but 7 Days/Ages and the 7th is Eternity. We live today at Gen 1:27 because Gen 1:28-31 is prophecy of events which will not be fulfilled until AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon. That is God's Literal Truth of the Creation.

 

[Aman777]

Yep, the Bible tell us that the third child of Adam and Eve was born 130 years after that Adam and Eve conceived Cain and Abel.

Correction: Genesis 5:3 tells us that Seth was conceived 130 years AFTER Adam & Eve were born again Spiritually (created in God's Image) and this was AFTER Cain killed Abel.

In fact, Seth was given to them to replace murdered Abel:

Gen 4:25 ¶ And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

 

[Aman777]

Based on the Bible, God created Adam and Eve young adults and fully functional.
Their FIRST sexual relation is mentioned in Genesis 4:1-2 and their second sexual relation is mentioned in Genesis 4:25-26 .

Thus the mystery remain about the origin of Cain's wife .

Cain's wife AND the wives of Noah's grandsons were the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric people) on Adam's Earth and later on the present Earth.

Unless, you can tell us who Noah's grandsons married since there were NO other Humans (descendants of Adam) for them to marry. Gen 6:4

 

[Aman777]

Good; I do, too. However, have you ever tried to reconcile your concepts with 2 Peter 3:8? One day, as a thousand years and 24 hour days must reconcile.

Easy. Each of God's Days is better understood as Ages which are Billions of years in length in man's time. Today remains the 6th Day since God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image. Gen 1:27

 

[Riberra]

Cain's wife

Cain's wife come from the humans (mankind)who were created by God on the 6 TH Day after that God have created the wild animals (beasts of the earth Genesis 1:24-25) ..The humans made by God on the 6Th Day are what you call 'prehistoric people' .They were nomads people living on fruits they gathered and possibly from fishing .They have done what God have commanded THEM to do, ie replenish the earth and subdue it.
Genesis 1:28-29

27 So God created man[kind] in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
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Adam was formed by God after the 7 TH Day of rest [Genesis 2]on our Earth (contrary to your theory) ,and God at this moment also formed FARM animals (beasts of the field)Genesis 2:19-20....and after that farm animals were created [in the Garden of eden] God made EVE from Adam's rib.

Adam was the first farmer.

Genesis 2
7 And the LORD God formed [the] man [ADAM] of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.


15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

AND the wives of Noah's grandsons were the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric people) on Adam's Earth and later on the present Earth.

Unless, you can tell us who Noah's grandsons married since there were NO other Humans (descendants of Adam) for them to marry. Gen 6:4

After the FLOOD all humanity descend from the 8 peoples on board of the ark and their descendants.
As demonstrated here:
http://www.gotquestions.org/sons-of-Noah.html

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Easy. Each of God's Days is better understood as Ages which are Billions of years in length in man's time. Today remains the 6th Day since God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image. Gen 1:27

No; too vague, too many holes. You are going to have to do much better than that if you want anybody to take you seriously.
Now me; on the other hand, I can give you a step by step description of days, as with the Lord: all seven.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

The KJV Bible, we are woven into the pages of that book.
My concept of time, as with the Lord:
The first day started from everlasting. Jesus was the second man and after Adam died, the second day could begin.
The second day begins before the flood and last throughout the flood.
The third day begins when the flood begins to dry.
The fourth day, “To day,” will last until the Father sends the Son to redeem the world.
The fifth day will last a thousand years.
The sixth day will be one day, a thousand years long.
The seventh day is eternity.

Do you think it could be reserved for us in, dark matter?

Well; yes, of course I do. Do you have any other possibilities? If so, I would be happy to hear about them. "Dark matter" (M Theory), may be found with, "psaltery," and "an instrument of ten strings," in Psalms 33:2, Psalms 92:3 & Psalms 144:9, which leads me to believe that most of the creating and making may have been done on the second day.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

And because the word, "heavens," is used in Genesis 2:1, we can add the letter, 's' to, "second day," in Genesis 1:8. The first conclusion?

 

[Kenneth Redden]

You CAN'T sin! This has been proven by Science. So; yes, it comes with a User Guide. lol .:.

 

[Aman777]

Aman:>>Easy. Each of God's Days is better understood as Ages which are Billions of years in length in man's time. Today remains the 6th Day since God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image. Gen 1:27

*** No; too vague, too many holes. You are going to have to do much better than that if you want anybody to take you seriously.

Sure. Adam was made of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day before the plants herbs and rain...according to Gen 2:4-7. Want to try to refute that Truth?

*** Now me; on the other hand, I can give you a step by step description of days, as with the Lord: all seven.

Day 1...God created matter but it was filled with death so Jesus came into the physical world on this first Day from inside the Trinity. Gen 1:3
Day 2...Adam's firmament/heaven was made in water and later contained Adam's Earth Gen 1:6-8 inside it.
Day 3...God makes Adam's Earth and before He makes plants, herbs and trees, Jesus/Lord God makes Adam as a Potter molds the Clay and gives him life. Gen 2;4-7 Late on this Day, Jesus/Lord God causes the Big Bang of our Cosmos.
Day 4...The first Stars of our Cosmos light up. Gen 1:16 Science has dated this event at some 13.8 Billion years ago, in man's time, and as much as One Billion years AFTER the Big Bang of Day 3.
Day 5...God creates and brings forth from Water "every living creature that moveth" Gen 1:21 after His (Jesus) and Their (Trinity) kinds.
Day 6...Jesus/Lord God makes the beasts of the field and birds and Adam names them. Gen 2:19 Eve is made Gen 2:22 and Adam sins, has Cain and Abel, and is born again Spiritually, in Christ, AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 This brings us up to Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image which is in Christ Spiritually. Gen 1:28-31 is prophecy of the time AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon at the end of the present 6th Day/Age, the Day of Salvation. 2Co 6:2 Amen?

 

[Riberra]

Sure. Adam was made of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day before the plants herbs and rain...according to Gen 2:4-7. Want to try to refute that Truth?

Can you tell us based on the book of Genesis about the first time rain happened on the Earth ?
Hint, it have not rained in the First Day,nor in the Second Day, nor in the Third Day,nor in the Fourth Day,nor in the Fifth Day nor in the Sixth Day...

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Can you tell us based on the book of Genesis about the first time rain happened on the Earth ?
Hint, it have not rained in the First Day,nor in the Second Day, nor in the Third Day,nor in the Fourth Day,nor in the Fifth Day nor in the Sixth Day...

From everlasting, in the beginning.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Easy. Each of God's Days is better understood as Ages which are Billions of years in length in man's time. Today remains the 6th Day since God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image. Gen 1:27

No, the word, "created," in Genesis 1:27, is past tense.

*** No; too vague, too many holes. You are going to have to do much better than that if you want anybody to take you seriously.

Sure. Adam was made of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day before the plants herbs and rain...according to Gen 2:4-7. Want to try to refute that Truth?

Yes; Genesis 2:4 begins from the beginning, the first day, "when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens."

*** Now me; on the other hand, I can give you a step by step description of days, as with the Lord: all seven.

Day 1...God created matter but it was filled with death so Jesus came into the physical world on this first Day from inside the Trinity. Gen 1:3
Day 2...Adam's firmament/heaven was made in water and later contained Adam's Earth Gen 1:6-8 inside it.
Day 3...God makes Adam's Earth and before He makes plants, herbs and trees, Jesus/Lord God makes Adam as a Potter molds the Clay and gives him life. Gen 2;4-7 Late on this Day, Jesus/Lord God causes the Big Bang of our Cosmos.
Day 4...The first Stars of our Cosmos light up. Gen 1:16 Science has dated this event at some 13.8 Billion years ago, in man's time, and as much as One Billion years AFTER the Big Bang of Day 3.
Day 5...God creates and brings forth from Water "every living creature that moveth" Gen 1:21 after His (Jesus) and Their (Trinity) kinds.
Day 6...Jesus/Lord God makes the beasts of the field and birds and Adam names them. Gen 2:19 Eve is made Gen 2:22 and Adam sins, has Cain and Abel, and is born again Spiritually, in Christ, AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 This brings us up to Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image which is in Christ Spiritually. Gen 1:28-31 is prophecy of the time AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon at the end of the present 6th Day/Age, the Day of Salvation. 2Co 6:2 Amen?

That's all well and good but without reference scripture for every point; it is meaningless.

 

[Riberra]

From everlasting, in the beginning.

Genesis 2:5-6 Refute what you say...
Genesis 2:5-6
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.


I want a verse from the book of Genesis showing us without a doubt when it first rained on the Earth.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Genesis 2:5-6 Refute what you say...
Genesis 2:5-6
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.


I want a verse from the book of Genesis showing us without a doubt when it first rained on the Earth.

From the beginning, Genesis 1:1 & Genesis 2:4-6.

 

[Aman777]

Can you tell us based on the book of Genesis about the first time rain happened on the Earth ?
Hint, it have not rained in the First Day,nor in the Second Day, nor in the Third Day,nor in the Fourth Day,nor in the Fifth Day nor in the Sixth Day...

Amen, but in Noah's 600th year it rained for the first time. Gen 7:6 This event happened on the present 6th Day in the Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven.

The rain scared Noah so bad, he refused to come out of the Ark for two months AFTER he knew the Earth was dry. Gen 8:13

Noah came out of the Ark ONLY after God promised him that never again would He destroy the Earth with rain. Gen 9:11

It rained only once on Adam's world and it totally destroyed it. ll Peter 3:6 Can you imagine the fear when those in the Ark heard a thunderstorm coming on the present Earth?

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Amen, but in Noah's 600th year it rained for the first time. Gen 7:6 This event happened on the present 6th Day in the Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven.

The rain scared Noah so bad, he refused to come out of the Ark for two months AFTER he knew the Earth was dry. Gen 8:13

Noah came out of the Ark ONLY after God promised him that never again would He destroy the Earth with rain. Gen 9:11

It rained only once on Adam's world and it totally destroyed it. ll Peter 3:6 Can you imagine the fear when those in the Ark heard a thunderstorm coming on the present Earth?

Genesis 7:12 has the second day, as the first time it rained upon the earth; in the KJV Bible. The third day begins, Genesis 8:14.

 

[Riberra]

Genesis 7:12 has the second day, as the first time it rained upon the earth, in the KJV Bible. The third day begins, Genesis 8:14.

Can you see a pattern describing a drowned EARTH in Genesis 1:2 and a drowned Earth in the time of Noah's flood Genesis 7:12...two different flood caused by God happening at two different times ---for two different reasons?
Explained in the page linked below:
The world that then was---the first Earth age -where all the fossils and remains belong [fossils of giant insects -- fossils of dinosaurs etc .]
Here:
http://worldeventsandthebible.com/2009/11/world-that-then-was-first-earth-age.html

The Earth/world [that then was]that God have created in the beginning Genesis 1:1 whose surface was destroyed by God with a flood [similar to Noah's flood] -for the reason explained in the page linked above- became inform and a waste Genesis 1:2....but the ground below the waters was still there.

Genesis 1:9-13
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Can you see a pattern describing a drowned EARTH in Genesis 1:2 and a drowned Earth in the time of Noah's flood Genesis 7:12...two different flood caused by God happening at two different times ---for two different reasons?
Explained in the page linked below:
The world that then was---the first Earth age -where all the fossils and remains belong [fossils of giant insects -- fossils of dinosaurs etc .]

There is but one interpretation in the KJV Bible and that is the interpretation of the six days of the creation, 2 Peter 1:20; because Genesis 1 is about the six days of the Creation. The KJV Bible is without seam, woven from the top throughout, John 19:23.