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Here we go again.What about killing babies? Do you think that's bad? If you do, you might want to have a word with AV1611VET about it, because your God was rather keen on it.
Would you have ordered American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175 shot down out of the sky?There are NO such things as justifications (read: excuses) in killing children... only causes to why it happens...
Have you ever lied, stolen anything, or lusted after a woman? If so, you are a sinner.
I judge the morality of the God of War in the old testimony, yes...
Bullocks.... to read the old testimony and try make all killing justified as the "sin of man" requires an intellectual gymnastic in the higher school.
The claimed kill skill spray by God in the old testimony, Gods obvious childlike behavior in the old testimony....and Gods childish and silly rules and set up for salvation. To believe in such god being "pure love" is to believe in God being a Janus god - evil and good at the same time. It is not a god worth any admiration...
In respect of other Christian and their beliefs I will not answer that question.
Yes, what about them? Is killing, murder and mass slaughter and extermination of entire populations right in your opinion? If it is not, why does it become right for anyone, including God? Did not God perhaps create man in his image? Are not mans moral values of good and evil a reflection of Gods moral values?
Here we go again.
Second time: Would you have ordered American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175 shot down out of the sky?
YES or NO please?
Me personally? I don't know, but I'll say yes just for the sake of argument. Now, the problem with your analogy is not just that you are assuming your god is not omnipotent (another contradiction) and is therefore incapable of any solution except mass murder, and the problem is not just that your sideways trip into moral relativism destroys any claims of moral absolutism, which in turn shoots your whole belief system in the foot, but never mind, no the problem with your analogy is that it assumes your god kills so many people (tens of millions) in the Bible for comparable reasons as you present in your analogy. But if one actually looks at the justifications given in the Bible for your god's mass murder sprees, as well as his countless random gratuitous murders, they aren't even remotely close to being comparable.
Would you have ordered American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175 shot down out of the sky?
YES or NO please?
Would you have ordered American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175 shot down out of the sky?
YES or NO please?
Your position denies the reality of free will, sin and your guilt before a holy God.
Present a holy God and we'll address that reality.
Your position denies the reality of free will, sin and your guilt before a holy God.
Oh yes, that's right, your god commits genocide and then blames it on human beings. Nice one. Amazing that idea never occurred to any other perpetrators of genocide...
How does a non-existent being commit genocide and how can you be so angry with a non-existent being? I'm beginning to think your faith in the non-existence of God is failing you.
*raised eyebrows and quizzical smile*
You've never discussed fictional characters in literature before? Didn't they do that in English literature class when you were at school?
I was more into history myself.
Perhaps these verses will explain it better than I can:
Romans 9:14-29
What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses,
Oh yes, that's right, your god commits genocide and then blames it on human beings. Nice one. Amazing that idea never occurred to any other perpetrators of genocide...
The evidence is all around you (Romans 1:20)
Interesting that you bring in Moses in this. He will server as a good example. Take as an example when spokesmen for the masses came to Moses asking, begging to him, to stop the killing, because people was tired of slaughter and murder other tribes. Moses then claimed a conveniently nature catastrophic that came in time of this had been summoned by god to kill a large number of the people because they was complaining and wanted to stop the killing. This event, yet again conveniently, including the killing of all the spokesmen as well their families which Moses claimed god made the earth "swallowed" - which implies there was no traces left of these family members to determine the cause of their deaths.
That sound suspicious to me and makes one wonder what really happen. To me it seams more likely Moses took a natural catastrophic event as excuse to get rid of the spokesmen by assassinate them and their entire families, men, women, and children - all of them - and then hide the bodies, this to regain and ensure a control over the people again. Hence, Moses was cunning enough to claim this event was Gods will and actions; no blood on his hands.... people was easily fooled at that time or scared of his power or Gods wrath or all of it...
With this story I am not trying to make this look exceptional in any way; it is well know to have happen over and over in history when families fight to gain power, so in that sense it is nothing special or exceptional with this kind of assassinations, but it makes me sick to hear some people today defend it as actually being done by a Loving God and then try to make up some justification for it as well....
Besides the moral issues, the problem with these justification is that they never goes into detail about actually cases but only treat the issue in very broad terms. We have to remember the Bible tells of millions of people, men, women and children, that was killed, slaughtered or murdered under different situations and circumstances and motives and to treat them all as one case is pretty silly, and almost a denial of the events, in my opinion...
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