5 Questions Evolutionists Can't Answer

[TLK Valentine]

No, thanks.

I'm not so demanding of evidence that I need to see the justifiable killing of children.

Read your Bible sometime -- there's plenty of justification in there.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

It does not give me the willies. Atheists have no basis for making any moral judgements. In the absence of an absolute moral law giver there can be no absolute moral laws and any moral claim is reduced to subjective opinion of no more value than the next persons opinion.

So as long as there is an absolute moral law, whatever it is, you're happy. Presumably because you don't have to think for yourself any more.

 

[AV1611VET]

Given how upset they were about the comment, yes.

"They" who?

 

[mathetes123]

So as long as there is an absolute moral law, whatever it is, you're happy. Presumably because you don't have to think for yourself any more.

No, as long as there are no absolute moral laws, atheists are happy, because they have convinced themselves through denial that they are not accountable for how they are living their lives.

None of us will truly be happy until we have dealt with the sin in our lives in front of the cross.

 

[In situ]

The question doesn't need evidence to answer.

Q: Is killing children ever justified?
A: Yes, in certain conditions.

If you insist on seeing evidence, maybe I can look up a Youtube video for your sick curiosity?

This is the wrong question to ask....

The right question to ask is:

Do one have the right to protect once own, or others, life?

Do you see how changing the question actually impact the morality of killing children - or anyone for that sake...

The next question is; why would an omnipotent deity need to kill anybody?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

No, as long as there are no absolute moral laws, atheists are happy, because they have convinced themselves through denial that they are not accountable for how they are living their lives.

And how exactly are they living their lives?

 

[mathetes123]

And how exactly are they living their lives?

In sin. We are all sinners.

 

[AV1611VET]

So as long as there is an absolute moral law, whatever it is, you're happy. Presumably because you don't have to think for yourself any more.

Ya ... those who usually "think for themselves" at a STOP sign usually end up paying fines or in a hospital -- or lucky.

No laws/think for oneself = Anarchy

Judges 17:6 In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

 

[mathetes123]

This is the wrong question to ask....

The right question to ask is:

Do one have the right to protect once own, or others, life?

Do you see how changing the question actually impact the morality of killing children - or anyone for that sake...

The next question is; why would an omnipotent deity need to kill anybody?

That omnipotent being killed everyone but Noah and his family in the flood to judge the world. He was justified in doing so. On what basis do you judge your creator for this?

 

[bhsmte]

This is the wrong question to ask....

The right question to ask is:

Do one have the right to protect once own, or others, life?

Do you see how changing the question actually impact the morality of killing children - or anyone for that sake...

The next question is; why would an omnipotent deity need to kill anybody?

Let me take a stab.

The powers at be that actually scribbled down what was in the bible had this as one of their goals; scare the hell out of people, so they could control them. While at the same time, toss out a carrot of the promise of eternal life.

Powerful stuff during a time when people had no clue about the world and attached mythical explanations to everything.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

"They" who?

I don't suppose The God Delusion was even heard of in your community, but there were a lot of published replies from the religious world, at least one person writing a whole book in response. Dawkins description of God was one of the oft quoted passages.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

In sin. We are all sinners.

Speak for yourself, sunshine.

 

[mathetes123]

Let me take a stab.

The powers at be that actually scribbled down what was in the bible had this as one of their goals; scare the hell out of people, so they could control them. While at the same time, toss out a carrot of the promise of eternal life.

Powerful stuff during a time when people had no clue about the world and attached mythical explanations to everything.

What are the odds of flipping a coin and coming up heads 300 times in a row?

 

[mathetes123]

Speak for yourself, sunshine.

Have you ever lied, stolen anything, or lusted after a woman? If so, you are a sinner.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Ya ... those who usually "think for themselves" at a STOP sign usually end up paying fines or in a hospital -- or lucky.

No laws/think for oneself = Anarchy

Judges 17:6 In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

Glad you agree with me that as long as you are given a moral law, whatever it is, just as long as you don't have to think for yourself, you're happy.

Funny thing is though, you don't sound very happy about it...

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Have you ever lied, stolen anything, or lusted after a woman? If so, you are a sinner.

What about killing babies? Do you think that's bad? If you do, you might want to have a word with AV1611VET about it, because your God was rather keen on it.

 

[mathetes123]

What about killing babies? Do you think that's bad? If you do, you might want to have a word with AV1611VET about it, because your God was rather keen on it.

So are you judging God for man's sin? What is your basis for judging God and why do you suppose He has no basis for judging man? What absolute moral standard do you base these judgements on?

 

[In situ]

No, thanks.

I'm not so demanding of evidence that I need to see the justifiable killing of children.

There are NO such things as justifications (read: excuses) in killing children... only causes to why it happens...

Craig have a corrupt moral if he thinks it ever can be justified killing children. Even worse is the justification he gives to it; it actually invites people to kill children to "save" them... I literally feel like puking when I listen to Craig... it is repulsing and disgusting how anyone can say these things with a smile on the face. Craig is a person that make the hair raises in my neck. What scares me most is that people listen to him.... My gut feelings and moral reference frames tells me he is a very sick persons, a psychopath... I would not like him anywhere near my, or anyone else, children...

Craig's own Bible dictate that any killing is wrong - still pages down and page up we read about justification in mass slaughter of entire cities after cities, men, women and children all slaughtered after they gave up fighting because "God wants it!"... it is clear to anyone with a clear and sober sense of thinking that the tribes leaders, in particular Moses, just made this up to justify their horrific business to the people (which was to gain land)... as always been the case in history; demonize your enemy, because it make it so much easier to kill other human beings then. Every heard somebody talk about "international terrorists" and then governments sent troops halfway around thew world to kill these dangerous people they never met and probably ever would had meet if not gone there? The same pattern still goes on until this very day, however "god", as being outdated, is not used in these justification anymore...

 

[Mr Strawberry]

So are you judging God for man's sin?

No, I'm judging your god on his appalling actions in your favourite book.

What is your basis for judging God and why do you suppose He has no basis for judging man?

I judge your god on basic humanitarian grounds, and on those grounds his actions in your favourite book are disgusting.

What absolute moral standard do you base these judgements on?

Humanitarianism.

 

[In situ]

So are you judging God

I judge the morality of the God of War in the old testimony, yes...

for man's sin?

Bullocks.... to read the old testimony and try make all killing justified as the "sin of man" requires an intellectual gymnastic in the higher school.

What is your basis for judging God

The claimed kill skill spray by God in the old testimony, Gods obvious childlike behavior in the old testimony....and Gods childish and silly rules and set up for salvation. To believe in such god being "pure love" is to believe in God being a Janus god - evil and good at the same time. It is not a god worth any admiration...

and why do you suppose He has no basis for judging man?

In respect of other Christian and their beliefs I will not answer that question.

What absolute moral standard do you base these judgements on?

Yes, what about them? Is killing, murder and mass slaughter and extermination of entire populations right in your opinion? If it is not, why does it become right for anyone, including God? Did not God perhaps create man in his image? Are not mans moral values of good and evil a reflection of Gods moral values?