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[LightSeaker]

I happen to have read Thoreau --- and I refer to him as Henry David Thoreau-up.

Not Funny.

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[Hespera]

Not Funny.

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It is in a way. It shows that someone doesnt know how the name is actually pronounced.

 

[dad]

Taking pride in ignorance is something I wont ever understand. Thoreau was one of the most significant American writers. Not knowing who he was is a bit akin to not knowing who George Washington was. We understand that there are plenty of those, of course.

I wish America would wake up and realize that being ignorant arrogant and lazy is not going to work much longer. A religion that (as people interpret it) encourages people to be self satisfied in their ignorance is going to be a disaster. Its not going to get them paradise on earth. Its going to get them extinction, or the status of an impoverished conquered people. History wont let people down in things like this. History caught up with the dodo bird, it will catch up with the others too, who emulate them.


Henry David Thoreau

Woah. Just look at it this way, he is on ignore! You find that a bad thing? Raving on, and accusing seems to indicate that you have some sort of ax to grind with Christians? As if ignorance is defined by not knowing about some third rate author of days gone by.

I see that the guy advocated civil disobedience. If applied to abortion, and public education, and a few things like that, it may be a good thing. The soul slavery today affects far far more people that slavery in the US did back in the day. When this guy died, there was about 9 million people in the country. Less than half would have been slaves, I think.

In 2003 over 49.5 million students were in the US. They were subjected to mandatory evolution and godless faith robbing fables, falsely called science, that are taught. Also, godly lifestyle opposing, soul enslaving degradation pushed on them in the guise of liberty, and fair thinking. Add to that, something like 42 million kids killed worldwide by their own parents in death rituals callled abortions, and the numbers start to become clear. There are more male students legally drugged up literally for life, most likely, in the schools, to pacify them, and make them sit though the brainwashing than there were slaves as well!

"The United Nations released a report in February of 1996 expressing concern over the discovery that 10 percent to 12 percent of all male school children in the United States currently take the drug, a rate far surpassing that in any other country in the world."

Ritalin

The illegal, but rampant use of drugs in schools probably exceeds that in numbers.

Your scales and opinion of what constitutes ignorance is more like what you thing is politiacally correct, or cool to know about.

Lastly, can you show us where I said I was from the US?? I see you managed to insult the whole country in your post as well.

"I wish America would wake up and realize that being ignorant arrogant and lazy is not going to work much longer"

Maybe some people ought to wake up, and realize that there is more in life that is important, than what they happen to want to have forced on a population.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

I happen to have read Thoreau --- and I refer to him as Henry David Thoreau-up.

Are you really fifty-five years old?

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Woah. Just look at it this way, he is on ignore! You find that a bad thing? Raving on, and accusing seems to indicate that you have some sort of ax to grind with Christians? As if ignorance is defined by not knowing about some third rate author of days gone by.

I see that the guy advocated civil disobedience. If applied to abortion, and public education, and a few things like that, it may be a good thing. The soul slavery today affects far far more people that slavery in the US did back in the day. When this guy died, there was about 9 million people in the country. Less than half would have been slaves, I think.

In 2003 over 49.5 million students were in the US. They were subjected to mandatory evolution and godless faith robbing fables, falsely called science, that are taught. Also, godly lifestyle opposing, soul enslaving degradation pushed on them in the guise of liberty, and fair thinking. Add to that, something like 42 million kids killed worldwide by their own parents in death rituals callled abortions, and the numbers start to become clear. There are more male students legally drugged up literally for life, most likely, in the schools, to pacify them, and make them sit though the brainwashing than there were slaves as well!

"The United Nations released a report in February of 1996 expressing concern over the discovery that 10 percent to 12 percent of all male school children in the United States currently take the drug, a rate far surpassing that in any other country in the world."

Ritalin

The illegal, but rampant use of drugs in schools probably exceeds that in numbers.

Your scales and opinion of what constitutes ignorance is more like what you thing is politiacally correct, or cool to know about.

Lastly, can you show us where I said I was from the US?? I see you managed to insult the whole country in your post as well.

"I wish America would wake up and realize that being ignorant arrogant and lazy is not going to work much longer"

Maybe some people ought to wake up, and realize that there is more in life that is important, than what they happen to want to have forced on a population.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get you. Hang tough dad.

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you really fifty-five years old?

Do monkeys bite fingers?

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Are you really fifty-five years old?

Physically, yes. However, God embedded 40 negative years in his mind so he is now perpetually forced to act like a 15 year old.

 

[Gracchus]

Physically, yes. However, God embedded 40 negative years in his mind so he is now perpetually forced to act like a 15 year old.

Be carefull, everyone! I got a warning for telling him to grow up.

 

[mpok1519]

Even adults can act like children from time to time.

All the time though? Thats rough...

 

[BananaSlug]

Tell us..if science can't so much as spot a spook now, how would we expect it to spot the tracks of a spook in the new universe to come??? Or the creation state past? The physical evidence here will be physical.

If science cannot spot the spook then there must not be a spook. If the spook wants everyone to know it exists, you think it would leave more obvious evidence.

Of course if you knew how to get away from a same state past bias, the evidence would scream out 'different state past..really, people, I kid you not'

Then why do you have such a hard time presenting evidence for a different state past? You have yet to tell us how the past was different.

Not just hhard, for present temporal, physical only state science..impossible.

^That contradicts the above sentence. You say that if we knew how to get away from the "same state past bias" the "evidence would scream out to us. Now you say that it is impossible if we use the present science. All we have is the present science. Which is it? Is the evidence for a different state past really there because all we have to study it is the "present temporal, physical only state" science.

Great. So? Many also think that a less than dust sized speck popped out all the known universe. And they wear the robes of science!

Many Christians actually endorsed the Big Bang Theory when it was first proposed because it showed the universe did have a beginning.

It also can be explained by the tooth fairy. The question is, what proof of the universe state of the past do we have? The answer is clear. None!

But you just said the evidence screams "different state past." Is there proof or not?

Please put on the table the atomic structure you speak of, or whatever composition you refer to. Show us the ash, what country it came from, what layer..etc. Enough [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] footing around here. Let's get down.

Volcanic ash consists of small tephra, which are bits of pulverized rock and glass created by volcanic eruptions, less than 2 millimetres (0.079 in) in diameter.
The term for any material explosively thrown out from a vent is tephra or pyroclastic debris. Ash terminology is restricted to very fine rock and mineral particles less than 2 millimetres (0.079 in) in diameter which are ejected from a volcanic vent.

Ash is created when solid rock shatters and magma separates into minute particles during explosive volcanic activity. The usually violent nature of an eruption involving steam (phreatic eruption or phreatomagmatic eruption) results in the magma and solid rock surrounding the vent being torn into particles of clay to sand size.

Volcanic ash, no matter where it is found in the world, has the same composition that makes it identifiable as volcanic ash.

If the universe changed, I suppose what is in it did as well. This is news??

Then that means there is no evidence to support a different state past. If there is no evidence to support a different state past then there is no reason to assume one.


So on one hand we have you claiming that the evidence for a different state past is out there, on another you claim that no evidence exists. Could you provide a few examples of how the past was different? I would really like to hear them since you know so much about it.

 

[dad]

If science cannot spot the spook then there must not be a spook. If the spook wants everyone to know it exists, you think it would leave more obvious evidence.

You seem to assume that physical science covers spirits. That is spooky. How do you propose that the phsycal spot the spritual, precisely?? It would be easier for a blind man to spot a spotted owl.

Then why do you have such a hard time presenting evidence for a different state past? You have yet to tell us how the past was different.

Not I, but the records man actually has, rather than dreams up, based on pretending the present has to be the be all end all.

That contradicts the above sentence. You say that if we knew how to get away from the "same state past bias" the "evidence would scream out to us. Now you say that it is impossible if we use the present science. All we have is the present science. Which is it? Is the evidence for a different state past really there because all we have to study it is the "present temporal, physical only state" science.

It is this. The proper unbiased interpretation of all evidence screams out ;different state past'! The spirits among men in the past, the fast evolving, and plant growth rate, and different light, and life spans etc etc/ That is why looking at the millimeters a year crawl of the continents, and trying to use that as a measure of deep past rates, for example, is truly laughable.

Many Christians actually endorsed the Big Bang Theory when it was first proposed because it showed the universe did have a beginning.

They did what they could with what they then had. Grasping at straws, really, and trying to hammer the bible into same state religion, is all they were actually doing. They should be ashamed. Aiding and abetting the godless hand wavers.

But you just said the evidence screams "different state past." Is there proof or not?

I would say yes! But first one must take off the shackles and limitations of same state religious thinking. Then, if we look at data, like Dodwell's curve, it makes perfect sense. Dodwell was an astronomer, for the lurkers, that mapped data points, that all led to the year 2345 or somewhere near there..as the start of a major cosmilogiacal change, and axis change of the earth. The data was from the shadows recorded by ancients, on solstice, and etc. It shows a different tilt at the time. And we can look at fossils, drift, distant stars, or anything else you dare dream of, and it is the same story.

Volcanic ash

consists of small tephra, which are bits of pulverized rock and glass created by volcanic eruptions, less than 2 millimetres (0.079 in) in diameter.
The term for any material explosively thrown out from a vent is tephra or pyroclastic debris. Ash terminology is restricted to very fine rock and mineral particles less than 2 millimetres (0.079 in) in diameter which are ejected from a volcanic vent.

Ash is created when solid rock shatters and magma separates into minute particles during explosive volcanic activity. The usually violent nature of an eruption involving steam (phreatic eruption or phreatomagmatic eruption) results in the magma and solid rock surrounding the vent being torn into particles of clay to sand size.

Volcanic ash, no matter where it is found in the world, has the same composition that makes it identifiable as volcanic ash.

So????! Point? Is there some ash somewhere you want to offer us as pre flood ash? Let's see it! What country? What layer? Etc. Get down, man.

Then that means there is no evidence to support a different state past. If there is no evidence to support a different state past then there is no reason to assume one.

Say what??? What ash, where? Let's see the specs. The microscopic details. Don't just blow smoke.

So on one hand we have you claiming that the evidence for a different state past is out there, on another you claim that no evidence exists. Could you provide a few examples of how the past was different? I would really like to hear them since you know so much about it.

That seems off topic? This is about 4004 BC, and the sillly unsupported claim it was a day as usual, blah blah. No evidence for the dates was given, just a story rattled off.

The state of the past is another thread. But, rather than spend a lot of time, let me give you the low down on that. There is no proof of a sams state past. That kills your case dead.

 

[pgp_protector]

Do monkeys bite fingers?

Not dead ones.

 

[mpok1519]

relax dad.

The earth is billions of years old.

Man has been around for 120,000 years.

All religion happened after....

well, perhaps homo ergastor had spirituality.

 

[dad]

relax dad.

The earth is billions of years old.

Man has been around for 120,000 years.

All religion happened after....

well, perhaps homo ergastor had spirituality.

Preach it all you like, and even believe it all you like. It has no bearing whatsoever on the realities of the past. The dating is solely dependent on same sate past assumption. Nothing else whatsoever.
Man has been here since the garden of Eden. And similar looking monkeys are men only in the same state past field of dreams. That is what the evidence supports. That is the limits of science. Belief, imagination, and ungodly opinion are worthless in the actual past dept.

Try to deal with the obvious, especially when presented to you in such a kind way.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Do monkeys bite fingers?

It was written on a sign, so it must be true.

 

[MoonLancer]

dad, science cant test the unfalsifiable. Your spirit world is unfalsifiable just like all the Greek and Norse gods.

Oh and please give info on what a past state is, and what the peruses state was like, and how it is the different methods of dating confirm each other so well if the state has changed.

Please don't make sloppy claims that your not willing to back up.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Hey dad, A can only be A. A can never be non-A, or else it wouldn't be A.

 

[mpok1519]

Preach it all you like, and even believe it all you like. It has no bearing whatsoever on the realities of the past. The dating is solely dependent on same sate past assumption. Nothing else whatsoever.
Man has been here since the garden of Eden. And similar looking monkeys are men only in the same state past field of dreams. That is what the evidence supports. That is the limits of science. Belief, imagination, and ungodly opinion are worthless in the actual past dept.

Try to deal with the obvious, especially when presented to you in such a kind way.

lol

oooh, i get it.

you do believe in evolution, you just dont think people were truely "human" until 6000 years ago.

lol

believe THAT all you want.

End Fundamentalism!
NO ID IN SCHOOLS!

 

[dad]

lol

oooh, i get it.

you do believe in evolution, you just dont think people were truely "human" until 6000 years ago.

lol

believe THAT all you want.

End Fundamentalism!
NO ID IN SCHOOLS!

No, you don't get it. Any more than public schools get it. I might have a similar saying as yours.

End unintelligence by design in schools.
End public education.

There was plenty of evolution going on, only after creation Science can say nothing against it. Nor anyone else. That means that man was man when created, and you misinterpret the monkey bones, and tea leaves, and stargazing. Heck, you even hear the rocks saying things that they actually are not saying.

 

[dad]

Hey dad, A can only be A. A can never be non-A, or else it wouldn't be A.

That is why, where created man is the A, we can never imagine that the evolving that did go on after creation actually was the defacto creator of man. It truly is patently absurd, if you think about it. A is still created man, and the evoling that came after that is B. If you want to get complicated, we can add another letter. But I woulld like to try to heep it digestible for the evos.