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[Danyc]

Yes, sadly, men had to adapt from the old ways. It was a crime alsoo how they killed the buffalo, to keep them dependent on the government. But that wasn't missionaries either. Even if the missionaries happened to also be white. Christians do not care about skin color, just heart color, by the way. Really. I feel 100% kinship with black people (not just the gorgeous girls, by the way) if they are believers. Nothing else matters. That is the only division in men that counts at all.

Your usual behaviour causes this to surprise me greatly. Well, looks like there is still some sanity in you.
Who'd have thought?

And, for the record, the statement: "Christians do not care about skin colour", is way, way off the mark. I have a lot of personal experience with "proper" Christians in my church who are posterchildren for racism, including my cousin, who uses "nîggers" and "monkeys" interchangeably.

Christians aren't the goody goody two-shoes you're setting them up as. They have faults like everyone else.

Though, I also noted you added the dependent clause "If they are believers" after a particular phrase in that paragraph...why would you not feel kinship with them if they weren't?

 

[dad]

Your usual behaviour causes this to surprise me greatly. Well, looks like there is still some sanity in you.
Who'd have thought?

And, for the record, the statement: "Christians do not care about skin colour", is way, way off the mark. I have a lot of personal experience with "proper" Christians in my church who are posterchildren for racism, including my cousin, who uses "nîggers" and "monkeys" interchangeably.

Christians aren't the goody goody two-shoes you're setting them up as. They have faults like everyone else.

Though, I also noted you added the dependent clause "If they are believers" after a particular phrase in that paragraph...why would you not feel kinship with them if they weren't?

No! Not at all. My brothers and sisters and father and mother are those that love Jesus. I also have no kinship with churches. Only some people in them, that love God in truth, and spirit. I expect nothing more from churches, than banks, or post offices.

 

[mpok1519]

Yes, sadly, men had to adapt from the old ways. It was a crime alsoo how they killed the buffalo, to keep them dependent on the government. But that wasn't missionaries either. Even if the missionaries happened to also be white. Christians do not care about skin color, just heart color, by the way. Really. I feel 100% kinship with black people (not just the gorgeous girls, by the way) if they are believers. Nothing else matters. That is the only division in men that counts at all.

even misionaries werent sinless.

 

[MoonLancer]

I expect nothing more from churches, than banks, or post offices.

Its a good thing you are born today instead of yesterday, otherwise you would have been drawn and quartered by christains (or actually their horses) for being a protestant.

 

[mpok1519]

thats when you change to catholocism

heh

 

[dad]

even misionaries werent sinless.

The issue is not sinless, it is the claim missionaries came to pillage, rape, and torture, and otherwise destroy natives. They came to help, in their sinful little way.

The ones that addicted, and sickened on purpose, and otherwise hated the natives were merchants, and others, not missionaries. We might be able to derege up some case of a 'so called holy man' that abused his office, but generally, if they were sincere, they came to help.

 

[dad]

Its a good thing you are born today instead of yesterday, otherwise you would have been drawn and quartered by christains (or actually their horses) for being a protestant.

Well, they may have liked to, but first they would have had to catch me. Then there would still be the issue of who quarters who..

 

[mpok1519]

The issue is not sinless, it is the claim missionaries came to pillage, rape, and torture, and otherwise destroy natives. They came to help, in their sinful little way.

The ones that addicted, and sickened on purpose, and otherwise hated the natives were merchants, and others, not missionaries. We might be able to derege up some case of a 'so called holy man' that abused his office, but generally, if they were sincere, they came to help.

and sometimes the best way of conversion was to scare the living begeebus out of the natives with disease in order to get them to convert! It doesnt matter what kind of atrocities one commits when they are solely convinced they're doing it for God!

 

[Hespera]

and sometimes the best way of conversion was to scare the living begeebus out of the natives with disease in order to get them to convert! It doesnt matter what kind of atrocities one commits when they are solely convinced they're doing it for God!

In Thoreau's book, "Walden" he says that if he knew for sure that someone was heading for his house with the intent of "helping" him... he would run for his life!

The tragic condition of the native Indians around here is the consequence of conquest and cultural imperialism. The church has acted as one of the spearheads for that cultural imperialism.

Well meaning missionaries or not, the law of unintended consequences didnt work well to the advantage of the natives.

 

[mpok1519]

I just think Dad is naive to believe even missionaries couldn't have an evil side.

 

[AV1611VET]

In Thoreau's book, "Walden" he says that if he knew for sure that someone was heading for his house with the intent of "helping" him... he would run for his life!

I believe he also said that he enlisted the help of an expert stumper who could cut a tree stump off at ground level.

( If I remember correctly --- )

 

[mpok1519]

but remember AV, existentialism is a tool of the devil as Ive heard a few pastors say....

 

[AV1611VET]

but remember AV, existentialism is a tool of the devil as Ive heard a few pastors say....

Well, he didn't live in seclusion very long --- two years as I recall.

So if he thought he was some kind of one-man island, and that nature would be his friend and supply him with everything he needed for a comfortable living --- he was seriously mistaken.

 

[dad]

In Thoreau's book, "Walden" he says that if he knew for sure that someone was heading for his house with the intent of "helping" him... he would run for his life!

The tragic condition of the native Indians around here is the consequence of conquest and cultural imperialism. The church has acted as one of the spearheads for that cultural imperialism.

Well meaning missionaries or not, the law of unintended consequences didnt work well to the advantage of the natives.

Maybe if a missionary knew that guy lived there they woulld avoid it like the plague of death. So? Three cheers for this guy I never heard of, thankfully.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Maybe if a missionary knew that guy lived there they woulld avoid it like the plague of death. So? Three cheers for this guy I never heard of, thankfully.

You've never heard of Thoreau?

Too bad, I heard he believed in a not same state past as well.

 

[mpok1519]

he was his own friend

 

[dad]

You've never heard of Thoreau?

Too bad, I heard he believed in a not same state past as well.

No. Never heard of him. Sounds like any states he believed in were places where missionaries were not welcome. Maybe hell?

 

[dad]

he was his own friend

Excellent, he had the good sense to give others a break.

 

[Hespera]

You've never heard of Thoreau?

Too bad, I heard he believed in a not same state past as well.

Taking pride in ignorance is something I wont ever understand. Thoreau was one of the most significant American writers. Not knowing who he was is a bit akin to not knowing who George Washington was. We understand that there are plenty of those, of course.

I wish America would wake up and realize that being ignorant arrogant and lazy is not going to work much longer. A religion that (as people interpret it) encourages people to be self satisfied in their ignorance is going to be a disaster. Its not going to get them paradise on earth. Its going to get them extinction, or the status of an impoverished conquered people. History wont let people down in things like this. History caught up with the dodo bird, it will catch up with the others too, who emulate them.


Henry David Thoreau

 

[AV1611VET]

Taking pride in ignorance is something I wont ever understand. Thoreau was one of the most significant American writers. Not knowing who he was is a bit akin to not knowing who George Washington was. We understand that there are plenty of those, of course.

I wish America would wake up and realize that being ignorant arrogant and lazy is not going to work much longer. A religion that (as people interpret it) encourages people to be self satisfied in their ignorance is going to be a disaster. Its not going to get them paradise on earth. Its going to get them extinction, or the status of an impoverished conquered people. History wont let people down in things like this. History caught up with the dodo bird, it will catch up with the others too, who emulate them.


Henry David Thoreau

I happen to have read Thoreau --- and I refer to him as Henry David Thoreau-up.

Have you read Edgar Allan Poe --- or do you take pride in ignorance as well?

We can't all be astronomers, biologists, chemists, data banks of information, evolutionists, fluid mechanics, geologists, historians, icthyologists ... zoologists, all wrapped up in one.