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[dad]

Its, not on the internet; Its a few chapters from a book thats fifty years old. Even showing you a link that proves this book exists,it still wouldnt be able to let you read the full article. You would ignore it anyway if I could.

I prefer a realistic and balanced view, supported by the facts. Not some 50 year old mysterious book no one know squat about, that may have been written by an insane psycho for all we know. That is not supporting your claims, of wild evil missionaries plundering, and using germ warfare to mass murder non white natives! Get a grip.

More white people with guns killed more natives than natives killed white people, garauntee.

Well since one side lost, one would assume greater casualties on the one side. This somehow surprises you? What about natives killed by natives!? Bet there were nmore of them than those killed by whites over a 300 year period?

You think they didn't have business? You think they didn't make money or profit ever? lol they might not have gotten rich but they certainly knew business. That fur trader you spoke of? Rich, no. Businessmen, yes.

So? Paul the apostle made tents. How evil is that? What, Christians should sit on a mountaintop, and play footsies with high llamas now? Get a grip.

 

[MoonLancer]

I prefer a realistic and balanced view, supported by the facts. Not some 50 year old mysterious book no one know squat about, that may have been written by an insane psycho for all we know.

One could say the very same thing about the bible. you cant even take the word of 50 year old book. How could you possibly take the word of a book 2000 years ago?

That's the funnest comment all day, just for that you get a rep

 

[mpok1519]

I guess I don't --- I'm lost.

Historians were where?

In Alexandria when the library burned?

Or are you talking about the people who were living there at the time --- and just assuming they were historians?

If you write down history, you're a historian.

Some are better historians than others, however.

anyway, back on topic before more derailment by the local troll...

 

[mpok1519]

I prefer a realistic and balanced view, supported by the facts. Not some 50 year old mysterious book no one know squat about, that may have been written by an insane psycho for all we know. That is not supporting your claims, of wild evil missionaries plundering, and using germ warfare to mass murder non white natives!

Its not like they all wanted to genocide the natives; but it was a useful tool for conversion. And it also drove natives away from land the settlers wanted solely for their own. The book was written by many different accounts of settlement, as well as historians, law-makers and european settlers. no, the insanity in life we see comes from creationists, pro-life psychopaths, etc. This is a real book which i can't remember the name of, but the info I gave you was from one of the articles entitled "Keepers of the Game" which was a historical narrative. Narratves aren't always the most objective form of account, but, it does tell us that yes, white-europeans had used biological warfare as a tool of religious conversion, and just to drive them further away. I went to the class; I read the book; dont tell me that what I am saying is nonsense when it is EXACTLY what happened.

Well since one side lost, one would assume greater casualties on the one side. This somehow surprises you? What about natives killed by natives!? Bet there were nmore of them than those killed by whites over a 300 year period?

Not talking about them; it was their land and their wars; white europeans really had no business shoving people off the land theyve been on for generations. Also, we're talking about the atrocities of the white-man against natives, not the natives personal skirmishes and wars and vendettas.

So? Paul the apostle made tents. How evil is that? What, Christians should sit on a mountaintop, and play footsies with high llamas now? Get a grip.

I never said making tents is evil. You're the one inferring that I implied such a thing which is bs. My point was that even missionaries had business, and lamny were ambivolent to the harms of their businessess.


many people think its our God given right to take and rape whatever we want from the earth for whatever purposes we want; big screen tvs, nice shoes, jewelry....people die making these things so we don't feel 'cheap'.

THATS evil.

 

[AV1611VET]

I also notice is very vague.

I don't care if the Bible was written underwater.

It comes to us at this level of transmission: ∆H[sub]Bible[/sub] = 0.

 

[Cabal]

I don't care if the Bible was written underwater.

It comes to us at this level of transmission: ∆H[sub]Bible[/sub] = 0.

Alright, who told him about enthalpy?

 

[AV1611VET]

Alright, who told him about enthalpy?

QV please: 1 --- with special emphasis on Gracchus' posts.

 

[Cabal]

QV please: 1 --- with special emphasis on Gracchus' posts.

I know of the thread, and I see you edited your OP. However, H isn't entropy, it's enthalpy. Unless that was just a notation change (although a thermodynamically confusing one admittedly...)

Edit: Nevermind, Shannon entropy. Gah. Curse this language and it's few characters.

 

[AV1611VET]

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[mpok1519]

english has over 900K words...

and yet i am finding less and less to describe people whobelieve such,, outlandish things!

lol

 

[dad]

Then go out and search for the evidence proving a different state past. Until that evidence is found, all we have shows a same state.

Tell us..if science can't so much as spot a spook now, how would we expect it to spot the tracks of a spook in the new universe to come??? Or the creation state past? The physical evidence here will be physical. Of course if you knew how to get away from a same state past bias, the evidence would scream out 'different state past..really, people, I kid you not'

If you have a clue, then please give us the physical state of the past so we can disprove them. Of course it is hard to disprove a "different state" past if we don't know how it was different. Until then, all the evidence shows a same state past.

Not just hhard, for present temporal, physical only state science..impossible.

The church of Galileo's time thought they knew the nature of God. A lot of people today think the same way.

Great. So? Many also think that a less than dust sized speck popped out all the known universe. And they wear the robes of science!

There is 0 evidence to support a different state past. Why claim the past was different? Can you provide some examples on how the past was different? You sure haven't yet and your claims seem to be filled more and more with hot air. Tell us how the past was different rather than make us provide proof for how it was the same. Zero percent of the evidence shows a different state. All of the geologic phenomena from the past can be explained by geologic phenomena from the present.

It also can be explained by the tooth fairy. The question is, what proof of the universe state of the past do we have? The answer is clear. None!

There is no place in geologic history to show any sort of different state past. We use modern phenomena to explain historic phenomena. Volcanic ash is made of the same elements and particles. We can find modern ash and it will be the same composition as ancient ash. So if the past was different then there should be a difference in the composition of the two volcanic ash deposits. There isn't.

Please put on the table the atomic structure you speak of, or whatever composition you refer to. Show us the ash, what country it came from, what layer..etc. Enough [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] footing around here. Let's get down.

There are layers of ash of different ages. Are you saying there was more than one flood?

Are you suggesting the flood deposited ash?? I thought it was water???

What force do you claim to make the ash fall to earth? The rain fell from the heavens in Genesis 6, so we know there was gravity. Adam and Eve walked in the Garden of Eden, so we there was gravity.

WHAT ash,m where, if you don't mind me ashking?

What? Are you claiming that there is no evidence for a different state past? Are you saying that any evidence for a different state past was changed when it turned over to the present state?

If the universe changed, I suppose what is in it did as well. This is news??

So you are claiming that there is no evidence of a different state past. All of the evidence that showed a different state in the past changed when the physical state changed. If all of the historical evidence was changed then there is no proof for a different state just evidence for a same state. If there is no evidence for a different state past then there is no reason to assume a different state past.

Say what??? Historical evidence of what sort changing how??

By the way, was there a point in the bible verses you pasted?? I mean that you were trying to make..?

 

[dad]

One could say the very same thing about the bible. you cant even take the word of 50 year old book. How could you possibly take the word of a book 2000 years ago?

That's the funnest comment all day, just for that you get a rep

The bible is a well known book, unlike the one you can neither show us, or tell us the specs about. God's word was not done in a closet.

By the way, how do you give reps here? I see a place to give blessings, but not reps...?

 

[mpok1519]

insanity....

darkness....

and insanity....

 

[dad]

Its not like they all wanted to genocide the natives; but it was a useful tool for conversion. And it also drove natives away from land the settlers wanted solely for their own. The book was written by many different accounts of settlement, as well as historians, law-makers and european settlers.

Name the nincompoops?? Missionaries came not to steal, and kill, but to save and heal, and help. If a scholl gave you that book, they should be sued.

no, the insanity in life we see comes from creationists, pro-life psychopaths, etc. This is a real book which i can't remember the name of, but the info I gave you was from one of the articles entitled "Keepers of the Game" which was a historical narrative.

So, you do not know who actually kept the game, but you swallow the article about keeping it. Why would anyone want to play that game??

Narratves aren't always the most objective form of account, but, it does tell us that yes, white-europeans had used biological warfare as a tool of religious conversion, and just to drive them further away. I went to the class; I read the book; dont tell me that what I am saying is nonsense when it is EXACTLY what happened.

So, it is a narrative, you know not by WHO!!!! Yet it is to be believed, you say? Why? Question stuff, kid, and check it out.

Not talking about them; it was their land and their wars; white europeans really had no business shoving people off the land theyve been on for generations. Also, we're talking about the atrocities of the white-man against natives, not the natives personal skirmishes and wars and vendettas.

So natives that invaded other native land, took slaves, killed the rest, and maybe ate some to boot were just honkey dorey?? If a White fought, maybe to stay alive, he was evil. Got it. If you are white you are evil. How cute. Get a grip.

I never said making tents is evil. You're the one inferring that I implied such a thing which is bs. My point was that even missionaries had business, and lamny were ambivolent to the harms of their businessess.

So what missionaried had businesses that really harmed mankind again???? You dream this stuff up??

many people think its our God given right to take and rape whatever we want from the earth for whatever purposes we want; big screen tvs, nice shoes, jewelry....people die making these things so we don't feel 'cheap'.

THATS evil.

So you do not watch TV, it is evil, or extract food from the earth, wear shoes, at least not nice ones..etc. Got it. So, what we all follow you? Should we take drugs, then?? Toke? Go to big screen movies??? Drive to work??

 

[MoonLancer]

By the way, how do you give reps here? I see a place to give blessings, but not reps...?

The icon is a lightbulb in the top right of the post you wish to rep. Its possible you have altered your settings so it doesn't show up.

 

[mpok1519]

Name the nincompoops?? Missionaries came not to steal, and kill, but to save and heal, and help. If a scholl gave you that book, they should be sued.

lol Right. Well, go right ahead. Sue them, and hopefully the lawyers will take all your money so you can't pay for internet access to spread these terrible rumors like earth is 6000 years old. If YOU were a teachers and teaching these concs, YOU would be sued. lol

So, you do not know who actually kept the game, but you swallow the article about keeping it. Why would anyone want to play that game??

"Game" as in hunting game; furs, skins, food. Deer, rabbits. Beavers. That kind of game. and People are keepers of the game, until they exacerbate the resources so bad that the game simply becomes extinct.

So, it is a narrative, you know not by WHO!!!! Yet it is to be believed, you say? Why? Question stuff, kid, and check it out.

Why question it? Of course I can't remember the name of the dude. I don't emember EVERY author I read. Neither do you.

So natives that invaded other native land, took slaves, killed the rest, and maybe ate some to boot were just honkey dorey?? If a White fought, maybe to stay alive, he was evil. Got it. If you are white you are evil. How cute. Get a grip.

We're not talking about what natves did to each other; we're talking about what the pure, good, whole in Christ christian settlers did to the natives. It was a long systematic process of genocide, and the govt used settlers as human meat shields agains the natives in roder to push them away. The settlers weren't to blame for the most part; it was the govt, who ordered the genocide of buffallo in effort to push natives away as well. There were MANY tactics used against the natives.

So you do not watch TV, it is evil, or extract food from the earth, wear shoes, at least not nice ones..etc. Got it. So, what we all follow you? Should we take drugs, then?? Toke? Go to big screen movies??? Drive to work??

lol Toke.

 

[dad]

The icon is a lightbulb in the top right of the post you wish to rep. Its possible you have altered your settings so it doesn't show up.

OK, thanks.

 

[dad]

lol Right. Well, go right ahead. Sue them, and hopefully the lawyers will take all your money so you can't pay for internet access to spread these terrible rumors like earth is 6000 years old. If YOU were a teachers and teaching these concs, YOU would be sued. lol

No thanks. I already realize that they won't get what they deserve right now.

"Game" as in hunting game; furs, skins, food. Deer, rabbits. Beavers. That kind of game. and People are keepers of the game, until they exacerbate the resources so bad that the game simply becomes extinct.

So the book is about game hunting? Obviously people need to adapt as the population grows. No sense pretending we are still in the garden, and all we have to do is eat fruit off trees any more.

Why question it? Of course I can't remember the name of the dude. I don't emember EVERY author I read. Neither do you.

Neither do I believe every book I hear of.

We're not talking about what natves did to each other; we're talking about what the pure, good, whole in Christ christian settlers did to the natives. It was a long systematic process of genocide, and the govt used settlers as human meat shields agains the natives in roder to push them away. The settlers weren't to blame for the most part; it was the govt, who ordered the genocide of buffallo in effort to push natives away as well. There were MANY tactics used against the natives.

That is like saying the US is a Christian country, and Christians attacked Iraq. Don't think so.

 

[mpok1519]

no, the book was about how people destroyed the populations of beaver, which, essentially, also pushed natives away from the land, as th ebeaver held an integral role within the ecosytem, including helping natural flood basin ecologies.

of course no one believes every book they hear of; but, the ones written by real scentists and not crackpots, I'll certainly believe.

 

[dad]

no, the book was about how people destroyed the populations of beaver, which, essentially, also pushed natives away from the land, as th ebeaver held an integral role within the ecosytem, including helping natural flood basin ecologies.

of course no one believes every book they hear of; but, the ones written by real scentists and not crackpots, I'll certainly believe.

Yes, sadly, men had to adapt from the old ways. It was a crime alsoo how they killed the buffalo, to keep them dependent on the government. But that wasn't missionaries either. Even if the missionaries happened to also be white. Christians do not care about skin color, just heart color, by the way. Really. I feel 100% kinship with black people (not just the gorgeous girls, by the way) if they are believers. Nothing else matters. That is the only division in men that counts at all.