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[BABerean2]

The one week is not 7 literal years.

Were the other 483 years of the prophecy literal?

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[TribulationSigns]

Day 1 is not on your chart.

No need. Do you see Day one in Scripture anyway? Per Daniel 9:27, He confirmed a week. A week that covered 1,260, 1,290 and 1,335 days. Not day one. See?

And what is the notation "Resurrected and fled from Babylon" supposed to mean?

Can you do some researching yourself? Try looking up in Revelation 11 and 18 for a starter. I do not have to explain everything in the week, just that the one week of Daniel 9:27 is not 7 years in length as you thought.

 

[BABerean2]

Instead, what you are doing BaB2, is taking the prophecies and attempting to justify your New Covenant theology doctrine that the church has become Israel.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.


The Old Testament text in Uppercase letters above was quoted by the author of the Book of Hebrews and comes from the promise of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

The Book of Hebrews was written to Hebrew members of the Church.

How much plainer could it be?

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[Douggg]

No need. Do you see Day one in Scripture anyway? Per Daniel 9:27, He confirmed a week. A week that covered 1,260, 1,290 and 1,335 days. Not day one. See?

Your chart doesn't make sense because you have misinterpeted Daniel 12:11, to think that the daily sacrifice taken away is Jesus being crucified. But it has nothing to do with the crucfixion, the vision is for the time of the end.

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Were the other 483 years of the prophecy literal?

The 7 and 62 weeks prophesied are specifically only to the coming of Messiah the Prince. Then it continues, after the 62 weeks Messiah is cut off and He confirms the covenant for 1 week. It doesn't say when Messiah comes he is immediately cut off, because that would be ridiculous and confusing. There has to be time between Messiah's coming, and His cutting off. The prophecy is specifically to the coming of Messiah, and the word of God shows this official fulfillment was in 29 AD. Then the prophecy continues, after the 69 weeks Messiah is cut off, but not for Himself. So the question is, "when, after," and the answer is, obviously at the cross, in 33 AD.

Again, these are not literal weeks or time periods that we add up like years. This last week of Daniel 9:27 has lasted almost 2000 years, and the 62 previous weeks only 434, and the 7 weeks before that only 38 years. There are no missing years, there is no gap between 29AD and 33AD because there was never a prophesy of literal years. The 70th week is after the coming of Messiah and after the 69 weeks, as was prophesied. The cutting off of Messiah was not prophesied to be 69 and 1 week. They aren't weeks at all, it is literally 70 sevens or "complete" time periods. I think you are trying to count the 69 weeks as literal years. That's a no, no. They aren't literally 70 weeks of years. There is one key directing us to the Jubilee period, and it's not literal years. There is another key to the coming of Messiah, and its not 62 years. And another for the whole New Covenant period, and it's not a week (or 7). Yet there is complete symmetry, harmony and cohesiveness to it all. Three distinct periods, one "COMPLETE" time signified by the number 70.

Actually, I think that is where a lot of date setters get into trouble, attempting to add literal years, when God has never prophesied it that way. Whether 70 weeks of Daniel, 1260 days in the wilderness, 1000 years of Revelation, 2300 days before the sanctuary will be cleansed, or the 3 1/2 days the two witnesses lay in the streets. God doesn't work that way, these are all spiritual lengths of time. There are no gaps in these times, because they were never meant as literal years. They are "KEYS" directing us to certain spiritual truths occuring at certain times. The anointing, the Church age, the New Covenant Millennial period, etc.

 

[Douggg]

The Old Testament text in Uppercase letters above was quoted by the author of the Book of Hebrews and comes from the promise of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

How much plainer could it be?

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But how does any of that prove that the church has become Israel ? Paul in Romans 11 is treating Israel separate from the church.

 

[Douggg]

Can you do some researching yourself? Try looking up in Revelation 11 and 18 for a starter. I do not have to explain everything in the week, just that the one week of Daniel 9:27 is not 7 years in length as you thought.

I am not the one making your chart. You are, and thus it is you who should be explaining what you mean - since it is not in the bible anywhere.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Your chart doesn't make sense because you have misinterpeted Daniel 12:11

Not at all. It is you who do not have a clue what "daily sacrifice" refers to. Tell us what you think it is. And we will go from there.

to think that the daily sacrifice taken away is Jesus being crucified. But it has nothing to do with the crucfixion, the vision is for the time of the end.

I am not the one who teaches this. That is B2B's doctrine.

 

[TribulationSigns]

But how does any of that prove that the church has become Israel ? Paul in Romans 11 is treating Israel separate from the church.

Not at all. You have no idea how the covenant and ingraft works.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I am not the one making your chart. You are, and thus it is you who should be explaining what you mean - since it is not in the bible anywhere.

My image is a simple guideline to show how the week of Daniel 9:27 looks like as the whole New Testament period as opposed to 7 literal years. Not a commentary about Woman in the wilderness for 1,260 days, The testimony of Two Witnesses for 1,260 days, The killing (silence) of Two Witnesses after testimony (apostasy), and the fall (judgment) of Babylon for her unfaithulness, The judgment of God, etc. etc. They are all in the Bible if you know how to look for it. But yet you do not want to bother with researching these yourself. Point being, if you do not receive the truth about Daniel 9:27, you will never know the truth about all other things that take place during that week! Selah!

 

[BABerean2]

But how does any of that prove that the church has become Israel ? Paul in Romans 11 is treating Israel separate from the church.

Rom 9:6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,

Which Israel is Paul talking about in this verse?

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[keras]

The first half is the 1260 days that the two witnesses are prophesying what is going to happen regarding the thought-to-be messiah that the Jews have embraced - and who will have been anointed the King of Israel (illegitimate) making him the Antichrist.

This statement is sufficient to show everyone how wrong you are in your beliefs.
Revelation 11:2-3 says the Temple court is given over to the Gentiles for 42 months, 2 Witnesses will have My authority to prophecy for those 1260 days.
The 42 months and the 1260 days are concurrent. As well as the three and a half years.

As for the Jews anointing a King of Israel, this notion is purely your fantasy.

 

[keras]

This is one of your made up terms. National Israel is also a made up term. Which you use to justify your doctrine that the church has become Israel.

National Israel; the Jewish State of Israel. Soon to be Judged and punished, with only a remnant to survive.
The Established Church: a mish-mash of hundreds of denominations, none of which has all the Truth.
Covenant Israel; Every faithful, born again Christian.

It is your doctrine, Douggg; of national Israel being tribulated on earth, while the Church gets whisked off to heaven, that is the made up and false doctrine.

Romans 9:6, is plain; there are far more people in the true Israel of God, than just the Messianic Jews.

 

[TribulationSigns]

 

[Douggg]

Rom 9:6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,

Which Israel is Paul talking about in this verse?

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Paul is saying that there are Jews who are out of step with God and have not received Christ.

 

[Douggg]

This statement is sufficient to show everyone how wrong you are in your beliefs.
Revelation 11:2-3 says the Temple court is given over to the Gentiles for 42 months, 2 Witnesses will have My authority to prophecy for those 1260 days.
The 42 months and the 1260 days are concurrent. As well as the three and a half years.

As for the Jews anointing a King of Israel, this notion is purely your fantasy.

Keras, in the Tanach, what were the prophets doing most of the time, prophesying about?

They were warning the people about some trouble coming because of the decisions they made.

The two witnesses will be warning the people about the mistake they make in choosing their messiah, and anointing him the King of Israel.

Judas - called the son of perdition, who was the betrayer of Jesus. Which the Antichrist, will be prove to be a betrayer, when he reveals himself as the man of sin to be also called the son-of-perdition when he betrays the Jewish people by going into the temple sitting, claiming to be God.

 

[BABerean2]

Paul is saying that there are Jews who are out of step with God and have not received Christ.

Then there are two different Israels in that verse.

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[Douggg]

You chart does a good job of explaining your doctrine. It is still wrong. I can make a chart in similitude that shows a cat in one circle and a dog in another circle and have arrows pointing up to cat in a rectangle and calling him super bowser cat. It doesn't make it true though.

 

[Douggg]

Then there are two different Israels in that verse.

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No, just one Israel, with some of the Jews out of step with God.

 

[BABerean2]

No, just one Israel, with some of the Jews out of step with God.

Then why did Paul say he was an Israelite, even after his conversion, in Romans 11:1?

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