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What bible verses do you rely on to define the concept of "boyfriend?"

I don't date. I don't look for a "boyfriend." I'm not alone in that position in life. It's not a worldly position. I don't look for worldly character traits in a prospective husband. I have a respect for the concept of "biblical manhood and womanhood." There are many studies around this subject, I hope you've availed yourself to some of them.

Before we are concerned about who we should marry, we should be concerned about who we are: We should know what we are looking for... We should know what we are getting into... We should seek a spouse in a community of brothers and sisters... We should seek a spouse in the context of authority with the guidance of wise people... We should seek a spouse with an eye to compatibility (e.g. only Christians, theological agreement, mutual attraction, ... equally yoked) ... Our seeking must happen in the context of purity.

If we do not have the gift of self-control we should marry, because it is better to marry than to burn (with passion).

If we are looking for a "boyfriend" or "girlfriend" there's no biblical answer to those quests. God made man and woman for marriage and to have children. We're made in His image...

You have not been forgotten by God, you have been gifted by God. True believers will weep with you over your "suffering" to find Christ's direction for you in finding a spouse. Be encouraged, search the scriptures, the Apostle Paul says we should pursue marriage if we cannot be content with singleness.

Always put the LORD first in all things. Glory to God.
Unless we want to go back to arranged marriages, dating w/ the concept of 'boyfriend' & 'girlfriend' is just a part of the whole marriage experience now. I consider myself traditional, know many people who'd be considered 'extremist' in their traditional views: they all dated, at some point had a 'boyfriend' or 'girlfriend.' No way around it. I agree the point should have marriage as the endgame/commencement & disagree w/ dating just to date.
 
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Unless we want to go back to arranged marriages, dating w/ the concept of 'boyfriend' & 'girlfriend' is just a part of the whole marriage experience now. I consider myself traditional, know many people who'd be considered 'extremist' in their traditional views: they all dated, at some point had a 'boyfriend' or 'girlfriend.' No way around it. I agree the point should have marriage as the endgame/commencement & disagree w/ dating just to date.
Before we are concerned about who we should marry, we should be concerned about who we are:
  • We should know what we are looking for...
  • We should know what we are getting into...
  • We should seek a spouse in a community of brothers and sisters...
  • We should seek a spouse in the context of authority with the guidance of wise people...
  • We should seek a spouse with an eye to compatibility -- only Christians, theological agreement, mutual attraction -- equally yoked...
  • Our seeking must happen in the context of purity...
Where do we go for guidance? God's Holy Scriptures or the myriad of worldly dating rituals...
 
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Unless we want to go back to arranged marriages, dating w/ the concept of 'boyfriend' & 'girlfriend' is just a part of the whole marriage experience now. I consider myself traditional, know many people who'd be considered 'extremist' in their traditional views: they all dated, at some point had a 'boyfriend' or 'girlfriend.' No way around it. I agree the point should have marriage as the endgame/commencement & disagree w/ dating just to date.

Very few divorce in my family. Its allowed me to query them on their relationships and how they stayed the course. Watching them come to a close at death is sad yet honorable. They kept their promise.

In every instance it pointed back to one important factor. Who they chose and God's presence in the bond. They didn't do it in a vacuum. My grandmother desired another. Her sister brought her to her senses and suggested the person they knew whose character and godliness was evident. She couldn't have chosen better.

He was a man worth following. His example influenced us greatly. He set the tone for everyone. When he died she sat me down and told me the same. Go get one like him. He drew his last breath as we closed 2 Timothy 4:7. We prayed him into the Father's arms. We knew where he was heading.

You need someone who can give you a word that cuts through the fluff. People who've lived it that you've seen up close. So you'll recognize it when it's in your face.

Ask questions. Ask a lot of questions. Seek examples in your loved ones. You've seen them behind closed doors. There's wisdom in a multitude of counselors. I like talking to old folks. They've seen a lot and they're willing to share.

My aunt is 80 and we're best friends. My mother's in her 70s and we're very close. They speak candidly to keep me on track. And they have veto power. I'm not afraid of their no. It hails from love and the Holy One. They want to see me accomplish His will. They won't sanction a union that prevents it and I love them for it.
 
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I started reading this today and you may want to check it out. I like his style. He’s a straight shooter. No fluff. He’s been through the same, made mistakes, and helped many around your age.

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I started reading this today and you may want to check it out. I like his style. He’s a straight shooter. No fluff. He’s been through the same, made mistakes, and helped many around your age.

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Girlllll, you're making my reading list longer!
 
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On the other hand, I do think marriage can turn out to be a raw deal. There aren't as many "pure" women to go around in my age group and they are almost extinct. And add in other factors if you may, the odds are still so slim that if one were to remain "pure" consistently, they would likely be alone forever or remain celibate forever. That sounds like repression to me. The reasoning goes like this: "Oh I want to remain a virgin until marriage but 95% of the other women are unclean and already had extra-marital sex at least once so I have very few prospects, I am getting a crappy deal here" so he faces either to die alone and celibate or have extra-marital sex anyway. It's cruel and unfair to say that men should avoid looking at women or to imply that men are greater sexual sinners than women. It's also cruel and unfair because the consequences of modern society imply that God is unreasonable and can't/doesn't want to make exceptions for people in dire or sad circumstances.
 
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I started reading this today and you may want to check it out. I like his style. He’s a straight shooter. No fluff. He’s been through the same, made mistakes, and helped many around your age.

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Interesting. I could try it. My problem w/ dating books is most of them are about when you're actually in a relationship & want to sustain it, & only a chapter or 2 is about finding a date. Plus the books that tend to focus primarily on finding a date are very secular.
 
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On the other hand, I do think marriage can turn out to be a raw deal. There aren't as many "pure" women to go around in my age group and they are almost extinct. And add in other factors if you may, the odds are still so slim that if one were to remain "pure" consistently, they would likely be alone forever or remain celibate forever. That sounds like repression to me. The reasoning goes like this: "Oh I want to remain a virgin until marriage but 95% of the other women are unclean and already had extra-marital sex at least once so I have very few prospects, I am getting a crappy deal here" so he faces either to die alone and celibate or have extra-marital sex anyway. It's cruel and unfair to say that men should avoid looking at women or to imply that men are greater sexual sinners than women. It's also cruel and unfair because the consequences of modern society imply that God is unreasonable and can't/doesn't want to make exceptions for people in dire or sad circumstances.
You need to stop obsessing over this.

The only thing about it I will say is I noticed many women/girls who value 'purity' in others aren't 'pure' themselves & I find that fake - they don't come to that value until they crossed that bridge. (I don't want to get accused of sexism so I'll admit it's probably true for a lot of men too)
 
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Interesting. I could try it. My problem w/ dating books is most of them are about when you're actually in a relationship & want to sustain it, & only a chapter or 2 is about finding a date. Plus the books that tend to focus primarily on finding a date are very secular.

No book can tell you how to get a date. Although a lot of them promise to. They reason they can't is simple. The components are developed in childhood in the midst of friends and family.

That's where you learn how to communicate
How your behavior affects others
You discover your personality and likes/dislikes
And you understand how people respond to your appearance

That's all it is. The only difference for believers is God's influence. Faith should impact all four. They can't tell you how to do it because no one has the same mix. The mixture impacts the whole.

As @Cormack mentioned, "American style dating requires that people are more socially savvy, more personable and a whole swath of other skills that lots of people simply don’t have."

The majority pursue three qualities above the rest: looks, money, and status. They're the first ones people speak to or click on. Most people work down the list. They choose the long shots first. Bypassing viable candidates who could be good companions.

In your case, I'd work with an image consultant. You need to overcome the outcast and build up your confidence. Working with someone conversant in the things that improve presentation, interaction, and comfort is helpful. They'd show you how to put your best foot forward in personal and professional scenarios.

As for the book, it isn't about dating in the manner you're thinking. He spends a lot of time unpacking the problems that prevent many from finding someone and how we should engage ethically.

What we really sold me on the book was a story he shared about shopping with a friend. He wanted a jacket and the author tagged along. The friend was very explicit. He knew the type, look, and features he was seeking. If a store didn't have it he left and went to another. His summation was brilliant.

Both my friend and I were technically doing the same thing. 'Shopping.' But our experiences could hardly have been any more different. He was on a mission. He had an objective and a purpose. I, on the other hand was just playing around.

I was shopping for fun. It was a form of entertainment for me. I had time to kill. I had endless options in front of me and I thought maybe I could find something that I could use that would bring me joy. And at the end of the day, my friend went home with exactly what he needed. A new rain jacket. And I went home with my 17th pair of sunglasses and a toy helicopter that broke the next morning.

He's expressing the necessity of knowing what you want before you begin. The who and the what. If marriage is the end goal you've satisfied the what. Now you have to tackle the who. He spends a lot of time on it.

Many dating books are written by people who've never faced the challenges singles are experiencing. They went to a Christian college and met their future spouse. That's easy when you're dating in a vacuum. Or they came from a church with a strong young person's ministry. They had a lot of options.

There's a whole heap of problems that have never been tackled from that angle. No one talks about dating with mental health challenges or social anxiety and awkwardness. That changes everything.

We have problem with 'unlovables' in American culture. Everyone is worthy of love. But we don't love everyone. The solution is the thing we withhold. Loving everyone. When you're loving you draw a lot of people to you. Start doing it and your circle will grow.
 
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No, I need to work w/ a 'how do you meet single girls' consultant. I still have the problem of not even meeting single girls. I meet people, go to groups, expand my network, make friends, & it's all just men, married women, or women way too young or way too old. It's a joke. I do the same crap people tell singles to do & I get nada. You said it yourself once: single girls are basically just sitting on their butt at home using dating sites. Those don't work for me.
 
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On the other hand, I do think marriage can turn out to be a raw deal.

How are you getting a raw deal? You don't have to choose her. You have the option of restricting yourself to women who've waited and selecting from that group. The only reason it would be a problem is if you didn't believe she'd embrace you. If you felt you had to select another because you can't have the one you want.

Scarcity has a price. It's called a queue. If you want a virgin by all means pursue it. But you're not alone in that. There's others like you and you're competing for the same girls. You may have a longer wait because of it. If you can live with that there's nothing to worry about.

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As for the ladies...

You're forgetting God's redemptive power. He can turn a mess into a masterpiece. An omission of purity doesn't prevent Him from taking someone to the stratosphere if He wills it.

I had a child and wasn't married. But that wasn't the end of the story. God delivered me, healed me from two incurable diseases and injuries, and led me to a career and provided the favor that enabled me to walk away in my thirties and never look back. Then He brought me home and gave me a new start. He provided the tools, support, and network I lacked to ensure my success.

She didn't prevent me from nurturing my intelligence or developing skills and serving in different capacities in society and the church. It didn't hasten my accomplishments or opportunities. Because God had more in mind.

They never mention it. They know she exists but it isn't a hindrance. They're too busy focusing on everything He's done in light of her. And the story isn't over. They see His hand upon me. That's what draws them.

I've had a rich and fulfilling life for someone who had a child at a young age. I've done more than most in their forties and that still holds true now. I never saw myself as limited or lived that way.

He's got pearls everywhere. It's up to us to recognize it within ourselves and others. I hope you learn to do that. God will put people in your life you don't expect. They're there for a reason. You both have something the other needs.

My greatest friend and teacher was a mess when I met her. But no one loves me like she does. No man has ever come close. That's what I'm looking for. Someone who loves unreservedly. That's the only way you get agape. You don't get until death do us part without it. You don't get the rest with conditions.

He brought us together to cultivate love from His perspective and share it with others. I wouldn't be the person I am without her. Love changes you. Imagine if I missed that? Be careful you don't discard a pearl in disguise. :)
 
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Wow such a busy topic.

People do achieve success in the dating game. People achieve success repeatedly. Take online dating for example.

People jump onto an online dating site and they set up their profile in a savvy way, they have an attractive style about them and they get messages. It’s harder for men, that’s a statical given, but we do succeed. Men get out there to compete and they win.

So why couldn’t you compete and achieve in the same way that other men have?
 
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No, I need to work w/ a 'how do you meet single girls' consultant. I still have the problem of not even meeting single girls. I meet people, go to groups, expand my network, make friends, & it's all just men, married women, or women way too young or way too old. It's a joke. I do the same crap people tell singles to do & I get nada. You said it yourself once: single girls are basically just sitting on their butt at home using dating sites. Those don't work for me.

You think very linear. All you see is the fact you aren't meeting single girls. But you encounter them all the time. You don't know their status unless they're wearing a ring. What you're failing to find are women who acknowledge their singleness in your presence. They don't put themselves in your face and you don't approach them.

I'm not a fan of dating sites. They work for certain types but not everyone. If rejection is a problem I don't recommend it. It can mess with your head and self-esteem.

If they're not in the church expand your net. Check out Campus Crusade and larger Christian groups along those lines. Look at missionary opportunities and classes at bigger churches. Search for Christian retreats. Look for Christian versions of the things you enjoy. There's bound to be a group, class, or event you can go to.

Don't get discouraged if the first doesn't yield results. Keep at it and build connections. You don't know their acquaintances. They may point someone your way.
 
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You think very linear. All you see is the fact you aren't meeting single girls. But you encounter them all the time. You don't know their status unless they're wearing a ring. What you're failing to find are women who acknowledge their singleness in your presence. They don't put themselves in your face and you don't approach them.
No, they say 'my boyfriend' or 'my husband' 15 times in 30 seconds. You learn very quickly if someone's single or not. Was meeting a new neighbor the other day & he was doing that.
 
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No, they say 'my boyfriend' or 'my husband' 15 times in 30 seconds. You learn very quickly if someone's single or not. Was meeting a new neighbor the other day & he was doing that.

I’m sorry. I hope you find a nice girl who sets your soul ablaze. :yellowheart:
 
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How to find a date...

If you're a man, think of the godliest single woman you know and ask her out on a date. If you're ready to date—meaning that you desire marriage—and getting married in the foreseeable future is a possibility for you. Find the godliest unmarried woman you know and ask her out.

If you're a woman who is similarly ready for marriage and a man approaches you and asks you out on a date; you say yes. Give him a chance.
 
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I want a single woman, most probably Christian, but who is also physically arm-candy. Those odds are very slim, which is why I said before that it's sometimes a crappy deal. One has to compromise and can't have it all. Some need to compromise more than others.
 
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