2018 outpouring, are you feeling it? I am!

[justbyfaith]

We can all judge the other guy for being judgmental; but we are judging ourselves. If judging is questionable, then the person who believes that and then goes and judges is sinning against his/her own conscience.

I do not consider it to be always a questionable behaviour to judge. It is judging according to the flesh and the outward appearance that Jesus spoke against.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

That was with Peter, not the Pharisees. The story I am thinking of is in John 8:30-59.

I know that was Peter. Why did you think I did not? That was the most cutting remark he ever made and it was to Peter. The remarks to the Pharisees was general....no names mentioned. Sorry if you think I thought Jesus said that to a Pharisee.

 

[justbyfaith]

Amen. I think Jesus said something about a generation that seeks a sign.

Yes. It is evil and adulterous and shall receive none.

Therefore those who are seeing these signs and wonders must not be seeking them, and also must not be among those of whom Jesus would call evil and adulterous.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

We can all judge the other guy for being judgmental; but we are judging ourselves. If judging is questionable, then the person who believes that and then goes and judges is sinning against his/her own conscience.

I do not consider it to be always a questionable behaviour to judge. It is judging according to the flesh and the outward appearance that Jesus spoke against.

Jesus said to judge a tree by its fruit. Jesus told us to beware false teaching which one cannot do at all it one does not judge what others are teaching. Jesus said to beward the leaven of the Pharisees. Pretty judgemental. Obviously the easiest way to be deceived is to avoid all judgement but believe everything.

 

[justbyfaith]

I know that was Peter. Why did you think I did not? That was the most cutting remark he ever made and it was to Peter. The remarks to the Pharisees was general....no names mentioned. Sorry if you think I thought Jesus said that to a Pharisee.

He said to the Pharisees that their father was the devil and that they were basically murderers like their father the devil (my paraphrase). Jesus did not call Peter a murderer, the epitome of his statement to Peter was that he cared more about the things of men than the things of God. In calling him satan he was referring to the spirit behind what Peter was saying who was the adversary. satan means "adversary".

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus said to judge a tree by its fruit. Jesus told us to beware false teaching which one cannot do at all it one does not judge what others are teaching. Jesus said to beward the leaven of the Pharisees. Pretty judgemental. Obviously the easiest way to be deceived is to avoid all judgement but believe everything.

Of course. Just don't judge according to the flesh or the outward appearance.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

He said to the Pharisees that their father was the devil and that they were basically murderers like their father the devil (my paraphrase). Jesus did not call Peter a murderer, the epitome of his statement to Peter was that he cared more about the things of men than the things of God. In calling him satan he was referring to the spirit behind what Peter was saying who was the adversary. satan means "adversary".

Jesus called Peter "Satan" himself. Not merely the son of Satan, but Satan. Being a murderer is nothing compared to being called the Devil. Yes, Peter has on his mind the things of men. Jesus means rescuer. So? Peter knew what Jesus was calling him and it was not merely an "adversary."

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Of course. Just don't judge according to the flesh or the outward appearance.

I agree. Do not judge based on how much money a person has or how good looking they are or how educated or intelligent they are. Just them by their character.

 

[justbyfaith]

@Dorothy Mae, you judged @Hillsage and then said his behaviour was questionable in that he also made a judgment. You have three fingers pointing back at you, as Pastor Romaine might have said when he was on the earth.

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus called Peter "Satan" himself. Not merely the son of Satan, but Satan. Being a murderer is nothing compared to being called the Devil. Yes, Peter has on his mind the things of men. Jesus means rescuer. So? Peter knew what Jesus was calling him and it was not merely an "adversary."

So was Peter Satan at that moment? Or was Jesus addressing the spirit behind the man?

 

[justbyfaith]

I agree. Do not judge based on how much money a person has or how good looking they are or how educated or intelligent they are. Just them by their character.

Also, do not judge them by whether they appear to be drunk, if they have had no physical wine.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Also, do not judge them by whether they appear to be drunk, if they have had no physical wine.

You won't believe it but I was emailing a dear sister and one day she didn't like what I said and accused me of being drunk. I was so shocked. I told her so. She said, "hey no harm no foul." Pretty much ended the relationship with time.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

So was Peter Satan at that moment? Or was Jesus addressing the spirit behind the man?

I am not going to pretend to know the answer to that one but if Jesus ever calls you "Satan" I am sure the answer will be clear.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

@Dorothy Mae, you judged @Hillsage and then said his behaviour was questionable in that he also made a judgment. You have three fingers pointing back at you, as Pastor Romaine might have said when he was on the earth.

What behaviour did I do that warrants three fingers. Pastor Romaine has probably learned the error of his ways. It would have been better for him to use the teachings of Jesus instead of popular jingos.

 

[2Timothy2:15]

Yes. It is evil and adulterous and shall receive none.

Therefore those who are seeing these signs and wonders must not be seeking them, and also must not be among those of whom Jesus would call evil and adulterous.

That is right. And sometimes people do not put adulterous in the context of fornicating with other gods or spirits...

 

[justbyfaith]

What behaviour did I do that warrants three fingers. Pastor Romaine has probably learned the error of his ways. It would have been better for him to use the teachings of Jesus instead of popular jingos.

Pointing the one finger. The statement is based on Matthew 7:1-5.

 

[justbyfaith]

That is right. And sometimes people do not put adulterous in the context of fornicating with other gods or spirits...

That is true.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Pointing the one finger. The statement is based on Matthew 7:1-5.

So where did I yell at someone saying I did not care what they called it? You want to judge me by the standard I applied to the other? Do so. Where? Otherwise that scripture does not apply. What does apply is: Matthew 18:14.

The problem is the American culture does not know how to speak the truth to one another correcting them in gentleness but in truth. All Americans can do is apply some weak "point a finger at someone and four are pointing back at you" to avoid saying anything to anyone in correction. Means Americans are unable to descern truth from lies. The result is that most (if not all) the major cults that sprung from the Christian faith come out of the US. They are taught not to be negative or judge anyone and therefore cults breed like wildfire.

All that to say if you think four fingers are pointing back at me, show me where I said what I told the other poster he not to have said. Otherwise you are unscriptural.

 

[justbyfaith]

The point is that if you see a speck in your brother's eye, you very likely have a beam in your own. With the speck in my own eye I don't think I can see clearly enough to take the beam out of yours. So you're on your own. If you don't have a beam in your own eye then I apologize, I was only spouting a Bible principle. But maybe you should ask God where your beam is located if it is anywhere in you. Again, read and meditate on Matthew 7:1-6.

 

[justbyfaith]

I'm not sure why you quoted Matthew 18:14. Something as minor as having a beam in your own eye is not going to put you out of the kingdom if you have faith in Jesus Christ. And of course if you do have faith, He will be the One to deal with those beams or specks as He convicts you by His Holy Spirit.