This is why talking about what individuals believe or not believe becomes pointless.
There are basic theological assumptions which are foundational to different positions.
One is a perfect spirit which is born into a believer on conversion, and that goes to
heaven while the physical body dies, and holds the centre of sin etc.
It appears to me that you have never read 1 Corinthians 15.
Here's a primer:
35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?”
36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else.
38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.
39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another.
40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another.
41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable;
43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being” ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.
47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven.
48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven.
This is a gnostic type idea, with dualism in the body of the believer.
Are you denying that human beings have both material and immaterial parts?
Once one is saved, one becomes an eternal being.
Do you actually hear what you are saying here? Are you really claiming that physical death doesn't occur for a saved person? For that is exactly what your statement means.
You are in serious need of reading and understanding 1 Cor 15.
My concern was not with these ideas but with the abandonment of righteous walking.
Any group or individual who supports this nutty idea is, well, nutty.
A strange angle was the turning of good deeds into evil deeds if not done by believers, and evil deeds if done for "self righteousness" and not the spirit. So a form of non-legal legalism comes about, when even doing good works could be evil.
Once again, the nutty ideas of others isn't my concern. My discussion is with YOU and your ideas.
So if people deviate from traditional theology, that is interesting to discuss.
God bless you.
Not to me. My interest is in defending truth. And the only true "traditional theology" is that which comes directly from Scripture, not any denomination, not any early church father, etc.
Those who express their views of theology need to be able to support their views directly from Scripture. That's my challenge to you and everyone else that I post to.
