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2 Peter 3:10-12. Not when but how?

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I'm assuming it was global, yet, not everything not on the ark died nor was destroyed, apparently. Such as fish, plant life, trees, etc. If a global fire were to happen on this planet at the 2nd coming, thus the entire planet engulfed in flames, nothing or no one is going to survive that. There goes all plant life, there goes the entire animal kingdom. Well, God can simply create some more can't He? I'm sure He could. So why didn't He think about that when He caused the flood to happen? Why bother boarding animals on the ark at the time? Why bother making an ark the tremendous size it apparently was? Why not just make it big enough to support 10 ppl or less, wipe out the animal kingdom and simply create some brand new animals?

I’m a local flood proponent. I don’t believe the flood covered the entire earth in the same way the i don’t believe king Cyrus literally reigned over all the kingdoms of the earth (2 chronicles 36:23).

so, maybe you can see why I wouldn’t believe the entire earth will be burned up?
 
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I’m a local flood proponent. I don’t believe the flood covered the entire earth in the same way the i don’t believe king Cyrus literally reigned over all the kingdoms of the earth (2 chronicles 36:23).

so, maybe you can see why I wouldn’t believe the entire earth will be burned up?


Something that could be in your favor in regards to that, the earth is a big place. Back then they didn't have tvs nor radios nor phones, etc. And if God is going to destroy the entire planet, how would anyone on the other side of the planet, assuming there were ppl on the other side of the planet at the time, going to learn about what God told Noah He was going to do? Or maybe all life involving humans was in one geographic region at the time, meaning where Noah mainly was dwelling? Which then makes one wonder, why destroy areas where there are not even humans living at the time?
 
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Suppose that I never got on the internet in my entire life. Suppose that I never had an interest in computers whatsoever. Since we are meaning me here, before I got on the internet I had no clue that the way I read Revelation 19-20, that this made me Premil. Nor did I have a clue that there was a position called Amil.

Let's suppose Amil is the correct position, regardless. Now explain how I could become Amil if the Scriptures are not even teaching this to me begin with, otherwise why did I end up concluding the thousand years are after the 2nd coming? Per this scenario, didn't I do that on my own? Why then, assuming Amil is the correct position instead, could I not on my own conclude that the thousand years are prior to the 2nd coming? If Amil is the correct position, and unless one is already aware of that position, this means the Scriptures themselves would be teaching them the incorrect view because they would never be able to see the Scriptures teaching them something they are not even aware of to begin with.

I see that as a red flag myself, that one has to first be aware that Revelation 19-20 can be read in another manner other than chronologically, and that maybe not everyone might be aware of that, and that no one could possibly be aware of that via their own reading of the text, thus they have to first be influenced by outside sources. If Amil is the correct position, why can't one simply read the Bible on their own, without any outside influence whatsoever, then see that Scripture is indeed teaching Amil? You were Premil before you were Amil. Why weren't you Amil first if you now see Scriptures teaching Amil? Why didn't you initially see Scripture teaching Amil?
Have you done a survey of all Amils on the earth to prove that none of them came to believe what they did without any outside influence? I doubt that you have. So, why exactly are you acting as if you know how all Amils came to believe what they do? You're basing that on a small sample size of Amils on this site who used to be Premils. Do us few Amils on this site represent all Amils in the world somehow as it comes to how we came to believe in Amil?

You act as if all of scripture is literal, straightforward, in chronological order and requires no spiritual discernment to understand it. The only way in what you said could possibly make any sense is if that were the case. But, we all know that isn't the case. So, why act as if it is?

You're basically saying that if Revelation 19 and 20 can't be interpreted in a manner that requires zero spiritual discernment, then that raises a red flag. Really? Why? Even you don't believe the entire book was written in chronological order, so why is it that not believing Revelation 19 and 20 is in chronological order raises a red flag, but seeing other parts of the book as not being in chronological order doesn't raise a red flag? Do you think you're being objective by seeing it that way?

Where do you get this idea that scripture was written in such a way that everything is spelled out to us without any need for spiritual discernment to understand it? Is that what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 2:9-16?

Even you would have to admit that at least some of scripture is not written in a literal, straightforward and chronological manner. Does that raise a red flag for you or does that just mean some scripture can only be understood with help from the Holy Spirit?
 
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This kind of knee jerk reaction shows your complete lack of understanding of God's Plans for mankind. As set out in our Bibles.

Regarding the issue of a Millennium reign of Jesus, what AMills fail to see is how the Messiah is portrayed as a conquering King in the Torah, [all the OT] which is why the Jews rejected Jesus at His first Advent, when He came as a suffering servant.
But; the Son of Man will come into His Kingdom. Matthew 16:28b , Zechariah 14:16-21, +
This is a false accusation. Amils also believe that Jesus is a conquering King. We see Him conquering His enemies by destroying them at His return, as portrayed in many passages of scripture (Matt 24:37-39, Luke 17:26-30, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12, Rev 14:19-20, Rev 19:11-21, Rev 20:9).
 
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The other fact that destroys AMill, is Gods 7000 year Plan for mankind and planet earth.
There has been 5991, +/- 1 or 2; years since Adam, so not long now and the last 1000 years will commence. THEN the new heavens and earth comes, with Eternity.
How can Amil be destroyed by a supposed plan that is not taught anywhere in scripture? Your theory about a supposed 7000 year plan is based completely on speculation rather than any scripture which teaches it. To show how long the earth has been around so far proves nothing. Nowhere does scripture teach that God has a "7000 year plan for mankind and planet earth". That theory comes solely from your imagination rather than from scripture.
 
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If all the Prophesies are read and understood, it will be seen that this forthcoming punishment by fire will only totally devastate and depopulate the Middle East region.
That is not what is portrayed in 2 Peter 3:10-12 at all. Peter clearly portrayed the destruction as being global rather than regional. So, either Peter missed the memo that the fire will only come down in the Middle East or you are mistaken. It's not a hard choice to make as to which one of those is true.
 
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'Nations' simply means; people groups.
There are lots of people groups that actively oppose God and other ones that embrace the Lord and keep His Commandments.
Please name at least a few of the people groups who you think will inherit the kingdom prepared for them from the foundation of the world when Christ returns (Matt 25:31-34).

And please name at least a few of the people groups who you think will be cast "into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" at that time (Matt 25:41)?

Also, please tell me why only one passage in all of scripture would speak of a judgment of people groups when every other passage of scripture that talks about Jesus judging people talks about Him judging each individual person who each will have to give an account of themselves rather than Him judging people groups as a whole.
 
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This has nothing to do with the Middle East region. You force that into the scared text. But that is your theology in a nutshell. You are advancing man's opinion.
While they are saying: Peace and Safety:
This prophecy in 1 Thessalonians 5:3, goes on to tell us: then, sudden destruction will come upon them.

So we need to find out who are those who will say; ‘At last we have peace and safety’, and who the sudden destruction will fall upon.

We can be sure this is about the latter days, as it refers to Jesus prophecy in Matthew 24:8 All these things are the birth pangs of the new age.

We also know that it will happen before Jesus Returns, as Paul tells us in 1Thessalonians 4:16 The Lord will come from heaven with a shout; the voice of an archangel and the trumpet of God.
Plus, anyone with a Bible can know that Jesus will Return 1260 days after the Anti-Christ sits in the Temple. Revelation 13:5-8

Whereas at this sudden destruction, before the Return, He will come unexpectedly.
This event is obviously the multi prophesied Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. The Lord will not be seen on that Day. Amos 1, Psalms 11:4-6

The focal point of God’s Plan on earth, is the holy Land, the place His eyes are fixed upon. Deuteronomy 11:11-12

The situation there has been extremely volatile for many years, but just recently there has been a change, with the United Arab Emirates normalizing relations with the Jewish State of Israel. Also many other Middle East nations are overtly [instead of covertly] in diplomatic and trade discussions with Israel.


This considerable improvement toward stability and peace in the region, has resulted in many comments of optimism and hope for peace and safety at last for Israel and the Islamic peoples. Those diplomats and commentators are the first ‘they’.

EXCEPT for Iran and their proxies. Their Shi-ite version of Islam remains committed to the destruction of the Jewish people and the removal of Israel from the Middle East.

We see many prophecies which say how the Lord will destroy His enemies, Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12 and Revelation 6:12-17, are the most specific. They all say that the Lord will take action when an attack upon Israel is commenced. He will not allow nukes to explode in His holy Land.
Therefore, ‘them’, are the peoples who hate Israel and attempt to wipe them off the map.

It WILL happen, God’s Word prophesies it and Satan is the force behind Islam, plus the leaders of Iran are facing revolution for their mismanagement and incompetence. They must act to retain power by diverting attention from themselves.
 
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You need to see the enemy for who he is. We need to see demons for who they are. They are just like grasshoppers trying to stop God doing His will. It would be easier to stop Niagara Falls with a lollipop stick than to stop God doing what he wants to do. Our Lord sits in the heavenlies laughing at the schemes of the wicked.
You do realize that Amil try real hard to refute the Millennium reign of Christ? There is a perspective view that they think the future reign will not happen. There really is nothing that can stop it from happening either. It is easier to believe it will not happen, than it literally will not happen.

I agree wholeheartedly that nothing can stand in the way of God's plans.
 
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While they are saying: Peace and Safety:
This prophecy in 1 Thessalonians 5:3, goes on to tell us: then, sudden destruction will come upon them.

So we need to find out who are those who will say; ‘At last we have peace and safety’, and who the sudden destruction will fall upon.

We can be sure this is about the latter days, as it refers to Jesus prophecy in Matthew 24:8 All these things are the birth pangs of the new age.

We also know that it will happen before Jesus Returns, as Paul tells us in 1Thessalonians 4:16 The Lord will come from heaven with a shout; the voice of an archangel and the trumpet of God.
Plus, anyone with a Bible can know that Jesus will Return 1260 days after the Anti-Christ sits in the Temple. Revelation 13:5-8

Whereas at this sudden destruction, before the Return, He will come unexpectedly.
This event is obviously the multi prophesied Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. The Lord will not be seen on that Day. Amos 1, Psalms 11:4-6

The focal point of God’s Plan on earth, is the holy Land, the place His eyes are fixed upon. Deuteronomy 11:11-12

The situation there has been extremely volatile for many years, but just recently there has been a change, with the United Arab Emirates normalizing relations with the Jewish State of Israel. Also many other Middle East nations are overtly [instead of covertly] in diplomatic and trade discussions with Israel.


This considerable improvement toward stability and peace in the region, has resulted in many comments of optimism and hope for peace and safety at last for Israel and the Islamic peoples. Those diplomats and commentators are the first ‘they’.

EXCEPT for Iran and their proxies. Their Shi-ite version of Islam remains committed to the destruction of the Jewish people and the removal of Israel from the Middle East.

We see many prophecies which say how the Lord will destroy His enemies, Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12 and Revelation 6:12-17, are the most specific. They all say that the Lord will take action when an attack upon Israel is commenced. He will not allow nukes to explode in His holy Land.
Therefore, ‘them’, are the peoples who hate Israel and attempt to wipe them off the map.

It WILL happen, God’s Word prophesies it and Satan is the force behind Islam, plus the leaders of Iran are facing revolution for their mismanagement and incompetence. They must act to retain power by diverting attention from themselves.

The old covenant has gone forever, with it abolished blood-sacrifice system, center in Jerusalem, and racial favor of natural Israel. The new covenant has arrived with its new and better conditions. There is nowhere in the New Testament that teaches that "the focal point of God’s Plan on earth, is the holy Land." The holy land is where you find the redeemed today. They are the temple of God. They are true Israel.

As the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod report puts it: the land of Israel prefigures Christ and ultimately the new heavens and earth. Just as the New Testament transcends the ethnic and political aspects of Israel, so it also transcends the geographical limitations of the Promised Land” (The End Times - A Study on Eschatology and Millennialism).

1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:9 declares: “if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming [Gr. parousia] of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain ‘shall be caught up’ [Gr. harpazō] together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.”

The “wrath” of God is here linked with the “sudden destruction” that befalls those that are in the dark when Jesus comes. Significantly the whole context of this reading is the destruction of those who abide in darkness and the rescue of those who are in light. There is no third group that is half enlightened. Despite the destruction that hits all left behind the writers reassures the believer that they will escape this awful fate.

How you can separate these two parallel passages by 1,000 yrs+ shows again how you are doing injury to the reading. These mirror each other. I Thessalonians 5:2-7 confirms that it isn’t just Christ’s coming that is sudden but also the destruction that accompanies. Likening Christ’s return to “a thief in the night” capably serves to impress the surprising nature of this Coming for the lost. It shows that the wicked are caught abruptly in their folly at the apocalypse. The “sudden destruction” is so impactful that none escape. That is explicit in the narrative. Furthermore, we learn that the speed that the pain of childbirth hits a woman will be like the destruction of the wicked. It is not saying that 'the whole child-birth experience is like the coming of the Lord' which would be needed to allow for the Premil understanding. After all, they have to stretch the judgment out over centuries, but it is not found in this text. In doing this they diminish the sudden nature of the destruction.

The coming of Christ is here (as 2 Peter 3) likened to the appearance of “a thief in the night.” Moreover, the narrative demonstrates that the judgment that accompanies this climactic event is instantaneous and that it involves “sudden destruction.” Its focus is directed fully and entirely upon the sum-total of the wicked, not merely a percentage of them. This group that is referred to as “they” who “shall not escape” relates to the aggregate Christ-rejecting community alive at His return. They are later described as those who are “of the night” and “of darkness.” It is they alone that experience immediate and “sudden destruction” which “cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child”; and “they shall [assuredly] not escape.” This climactic event pulls down the curtain on time and concludes the affairs of this life.

The sixth seal totally demolishers the Premillennial scheme. It shows the conflagration and the destruction of all the wicked. This relays the Amil position. Let us look at the text in Revelation 6:12-17, says, “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”

This is the time of God's final wrath upon the earth. The wicked are so afraid of their impending doom that they want the mountains and rocks to fall on them. Think about this: being crushed by mountains and rocks appeals more to them than facing God's wrath. No wicked will survive this.

Once again, this text finishes with a rhetorical question. The obvious answer (to those who do not have their own theological agenda) is that no one will survive this climatic event.

Revelation 6:12-17 depicts the conflagration that accompanies the return of Christ. It sees the regeneration of this earth and the destruction of all the wicked. This agrees with multiple Scripture.

· The sun became black
· The moon became as blood
· The stars of heaven fell unto the earth,
· The heaven departs like a scroll
· Every mountain and island are moved out of their places

This is talking about the topography of the physical earth and starry host being totally transformed. This occurs at the climactic return of Christ.

Scripture shows Jesus one and only coming to be totally climactic. When Jesus comes that is it - caught up or caught on, saved or lost, eternal bliss or eternal torment. It is the end. No one survives (see above).
 
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Matthew 25:31-34, 41, 46 clearly outlines a general judgment and proves beyond doubt that that the wicked receive their trial at the Second Advent – “when the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels.” This judgment of the wicked here therefore occurs at the time that the righteous elect also receive their judgment . Premillennialists struggle badly with such explicit passages. Some desperately try to argue that this is a judgment of actual “nations” rather than the hearts and deeds of all mankind at this final judgment . Notwithstanding, they have absolutely no biblical warrant for claiming this, as the judgment is not, and is never intimated to be, anything other than the time when individuals account for their earthly lives. Moreover, the millennium is not even remotely mentioned in this passage.
Because the verse says he gathers the sheep and goats out of the Nations.

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goat. And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left."

Setting the sheep and goats in view is making it individual and not on a national level. The point about all Nations gathered is that He is not taking individuals from one single nation.

A lot of posters here, probably preterist or historist, claim this is only about Jerusalem and the temple. That it is not the whole earth. It is the whole earth, because it states all Nations.

Your error is to call all humans sheep or goats. This judgment is not for every single human on earth. This judgment is strictly for some humans called out as elected sheep. Some humans are called out as condemned goats. There still will be other humans to deal with at a later time. Amil make sweeping general statements and claim one singular judgment. This is not even the GWT. These sheep and goats are alive, because it is the assembly of Nations, not an assembly of the dead from sheol, Death, or the sea.

Nations refers to physically living souls. Sheol, Death, and the sea refers to physically dead souls.

Also the church is already raptured at this point. These sheep are not the church. These goats are not the church. Now, sad to say, many of them may have even sat in churches in their lifetime, but they never accepted the redemption of Atonement. They were religious, not redeemed. Even the goats did "good deeds" like Cain who thought offering up his veggies to God was "good". God just accepted the good deeds of the sheep more than the good deeds of the goats. Jesus did use sheep in reference to lost Israel. Yet many churches have taught sheep refer to the redeemed. Yes, but these sheep in Matthew 25 did not know they were redeemed. They were not part of the raptured church who did know they were redeemed. At least they knew, once they were raptured.

That is the issue I take with the OSAS/NOSAS argument. Because of this teaching, and reformed Calvinist doctrine, at the Second Coming many are going to be surprised they are raptured, and many will be shocked they were not. People have listened to human doctrine over God's Word and the Holy Spirit.

Now you can object that this is all my opinion. Even Nicodemus a Pharisee and ruler of the Jews was shocked at how Jesus described God's redemptive plan. I will stick with Jesus' opinion, instead of man's theology.
 
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'Nations' simply means; people groups.
There are lots of people groups that actively oppose God and other ones that embrace the Lord and keep His Commandments.

You long winded posts are bordering on desperation. You forcefully attempt to change our beliefs, but to do that requires that we make plain Biblical statements meaningless.
Not going to happen, we will continue to refute your false teachings.

The use of the term nations is used to describe the people of the world. Nations are made up of human beings that will all be brought to account on judgment day. The fact is, when Christ instructed the disciples to “go and make disciples of all nations, baptising” he didn’t mean that they could actually make a disciple of any particular given nation and/or baptize a whole physical nation. No. He meant that the advance of the Gospel and its accompanying discipleship would include all nations.
 
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The use of the term nations is used to describe the people of the world. Nations are made up of human beings that will all be brought to account on judgment day. The fact is, when Christ instructed the disciples to “go and make disciples of all nations, baptising” he didn’t mean that they could actually make a disciple of any particular given nation and/or baptize a whole physical nation. No. He meant that the advance of the Gospel and its accompanying discipleship would include all nations.
I agree; 'nations' as used in Matthew 25:31-33, refers to people groups, not to to the entire populations of countries, as we know them.

However; this prophesied event totally refutes any belief that Jesus destroys the world at His Return. He does not come in wrath and devastation, or as a thief on that glorious Day.
So anyone with the end times belief of; Preterism, Amill, or a shuffle of the Sixth Seal event, this separation of the peoples AFTER Jesus Returns - is a complete refutation and demonstrates their error.
 
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I agree; 'nations' as used in Matthew 25:31-33, refers to people groups, not to to the entire populations of countries, as we know them.

However; this prophesied event totally refutes any belief that Jesus destroys the world at His Return. He does not come in wrath and devastation, or as a thief on that glorious Day.
So anyone with the end times belief of; Preterism, Amill, or a shuffle of the Sixth Seal event, this separation of the peoples AFTER Jesus Returns - is a complete refutation and demonstrates their error.

So, all we are getting in response to the inspired text is "I do not accept that. My opinions are more important."

That is all we are dealing with in your posts: what you foist upon the text.

Nothing here to rebut - again.
 
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So, all we are getting in response to the inspired text is "I do not accept that. My opinions are more important."

That is all we are dealing with in your posts: what you foist upon the text.

Nothing here to rebut - again.
A useless reply, that avoids any engagement with the truths presented.

I made the Biblically verifiable point that when Jesus Returns, He will judge people groups, separating them into those who will go with Him into the Kingdom and those who won't. The failed peoples simply won't survive the Return, they will die, during the Great Trib or when He Returns, at Armageddon.
They will lie in their graves until they are all raised after the thousand years, along with everyone who has ever lived, to stand before God at the GWT Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15
Proved by how the 'sheep and goat Judgment, is by the Son of Man; Jesus. Matthew 25:31
But the GWT Judgment is presided over by God. Daniel 7:9-10
 
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A useless reply, that avoids any engagement with the truths presented.

I made the Biblically verifiable point that when Jesus Returns, He will judge people groups, separating them into those who will go with Him into the Kingdom and those who won't. The failed peoples simply won't survive the Return, they will die, during the Great Trib or when He Returns, at Armageddon.
They will lie in their graves until they are all raised after the thousand years, along with everyone who has ever lived, to stand before God at the GWT Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15
Proved by how the 'sheep and goat Judgment, is by the Son of Man; Jesus. Matthew 25:31
But the GWT Judgment is presided over by God. Daniel 7:9-10

You have ducked around the obvious and diverted away from the issue at hand.
 
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You have ducked around the obvious and diverted away from the issue at hand.
This must be laughable to others who read this thread.

In #175, I address the issues and prove my points with scripture.
In your #174 and 176, you just make accusatory and flaming comments.

Get this: the belief that we are in the Millennium now, is a crock and only defended by those willing to ignore and discard plainly stated prophesies.
Let alone the reality of our situation since Jesus Ascended to heaven.
 
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I agree; 'nations' as used in Matthew 25:31-33, refers to people groups, not to to the entire populations of countries, as we know them.
But it is individual people being judged, not entire people groups. Honestly, someone has to be completely lacking in discernment to not recognize that.

However; this prophesied event totally refutes any belief that Jesus destroys the world at His Return. He does not come in wrath and devastation, or as a thief on that glorious Day.
So anyone with the end times belief of; Preterism, Amill, or a shuffle of the Sixth Seal event, this separation of the peoples AFTER Jesus Returns - is a complete refutation and demonstrates their error.
Please read post #170 carefully and learn something. SG did a great job of showing the context of 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:9. You're doing yourself a disservice by just ignoring what he said in that post, which is the truth.

Both Paul and Peter could not have been more clear that the destruction that will occur when Christ returns will be global and will destroy all of the wicked. As Paul said "they shall not escape". None of them. Believers, on the other hand, will all be changed and will have immortal bodies at that time (1 Cor 15:50-54). That leaves no mortals to populate the earth at that time. You need to learn that we can trust Peter and Paul's teachings. They taught the same thing Christ did. Just compare 2 Peter 3:5-7 to Matthew 24:35-39, for example. All Peter was doing is teaching the same thing Christ did, which is that heaven and earth will pass away at His return and that all of the wicked will be destroyed at that time.
 
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A useless reply, that avoids any engagement with the truths presented.

I made the Biblically verifiable point that when Jesus Returns, He will judge people groups, separating them into those who will go with Him into the Kingdom and those who won't. The failed peoples simply won't survive the Return, they will die, during the Great Trib or when He Returns, at Armageddon.
They will lie in their graves until they are all raised after the thousand years, along with everyone who has ever lived, to stand before God at the GWT Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15
Proved by how the 'sheep and goat Judgment, is by the Son of Man; Jesus. Matthew 25:31
But the GWT Judgment is presided over by God. Daniel 7:9-10
Who are these people groups exactly that you believe will be judged at Christ's return? Please be as specific as possible.
 
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Who are these people groups exactly that you believe will be judged at Christ's return? Please be as specific as possible.
They could be as few as 2 faithful people, or a whole Christian congregation. They will be separated, like a shepherd does with his sheep
But the unfaithful people groups and the false religion followers, will not enter into the Millennium. Ezekiel 20:34-38 shows this very well.

Matthew 25:31-33 is NOT referring to individuals.
Both Paul and Peter could not have been more clear that the destruction that will occur when Christ returns will be global and will destroy all of the wicked
You are confused.
Jesus does not destroy that which He has come to reign over.
There is nothing about a total destruction when Jesus Returns.
That happens AFTER the Millennium.
 
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