2 Peter 3:10-12. Not when but how?

[sovereigngrace]

[QUOTE="sovereigngrace, post: 76524177, member: 424622" said to Keras] You dismiss multiple passages because they cut across your invented extra-biblical 7000 years theory. So sad!

GOD is in control of history, nothing random happens.

Based in the Word of God, the source of the truth, on God's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years (2Pet.3:v.8), so MANKIND would go through six God Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).

According biblical Chronology, we can number our days starting in Genesis 5, as follow:
Adam lived …...............................................130 yrs and begat Seth
Seth lived …………………………………………………........105 yrs and begat Enosh;
Enosh lived ..................................................90 yrs and begat Kenan;
Kenan lived...................................................70 yrs and begat Mahalalel;
Mahalalel lived ..............................................65 yrs and begat Jared;
Jared lived ..................................................162 yrs and begat Enoch;
Enoch lived ...................................................65 yrs and begat Methuselah;
Methuselah lived...........................................187 yrs and begat Lamech;
Lamech lived ...............................................182 yrs and begat Noah;
From Noah´s birth until the Flood...................600 yrs.
Total of years from Adam to the Flood =.......1.656 yrs.

I work with the Word of God. Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of God, it is not of human theories or human speculations. Let us study the times until our days not by human theories and speculations, but by the Word of God. So, see the table below:

SIX PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES -------------------- DURATION
I - From Adam to the Flood- (Genesis 5)----------------1,656 years
II - From the Flood to Abraham-(Genesis 11&12)--------.427 years
III - From Abraham to Exodus-(Gal.3:17)---------------- 430 years
IV - From Exodus to king Saul-(1Reis 6:1-480-84)-------396 years
V - From Saul to the fall of Jerusalem -------------------- 508 years
VI - From the fall of Jerusalem to Jesus ----------------- .587 years
Thus, from Adam to the 1st coming of Jesus ----------.4.004 years
From Jesus to our days (Christian Calendar)-----------.2.021 years
Total from Adam to our days ----------------------------6.025 years

JESUS-the Greater Light, Genesis 1:v.16- came in the fourth Day or around 4,000 years after GOD has started His works of restitution of all things-Genesis 1 combined with Acts. 3:v.19-20. From JESUS (fourth Day) until our days, have passed more TWO DAYS or 2.000 years (one Day with the Lord is as a thousand years), in fact 6 complete Days or six complete millenniums, or around 6.000 years, more precisely 6,025 years, according Christian Calendar pointing the year 2.021.

So, we have entered in the beginning of the FIRST CENTURY of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or THE TURN FROM THE SIXTH TO THE SEVENTH DAY, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Millennium of Vengeance.

The world of Devil is already Judged and Condemned, and now, in this seventh and last millennium, it will be punished with strong punishments, the CHASTISEMENTS ALREADY STARTED, there will be only and only punishments in this last Day, the Day of the Lord, King of kings and LORD of lords.

And God Father has already entered in His rest, as He had planned in the beginning of His works, but He is not sleeping, of course, and JESUS takes over the RULE of the Universe, as JESUS said: All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Matthew 28:v.18

JESUS is now sat on His Throne, the Judgment Seat of Christ, to Judge all nations, taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not His gospel, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the Glory of His Power.

Revelation 11:v.15 to 18

15 - The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

18 - And the nations were (will be) angry, and thy wrath is come (GOD's wrath comes), and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that GOD should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth. It's it.

Revelation 2:v.25 to 29

25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

28 And I will give him the morning star.

29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

So, you think we have entered now into "the Millennium of 1,000 years rest" (6,025 years)?

 

[Oseas]

GOD is in control of history, nothing random happens.

Based in the Word of God, the source of the truth, on God's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years (2Pet.3:v.8), so MANKIND would go through six God Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).

According biblical Chronology, we can number our days starting in Genesis 5, as follow:
Adam lived …...............................................130 yrs and begat Seth
Seth lived …………………………………………………........105 yrs and begat Enosh;
Enosh lived ..................................................90 yrs and begat Kenan;
Kenan lived...................................................70 yrs and begat Mahalalel;
Mahalalel lived ..............................................65 yrs and begat Jared;
Jared lived ..................................................162 yrs and begat Enoch;
Enoch lived ...................................................65 yrs and begat Methuselah;
Methuselah lived...........................................187 yrs and begat Lamech;
Lamech lived ...............................................182 yrs and begat Noah;
From Noah´s birth until the Flood...................600 yrs.
Total of years from Adam to the Flood =.......1.656 yrs.

I work with the Word of God. Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of God, it is not of human theories or human speculations. Let us study the times until our days not by human theories and speculations, but by the Word of God. So, see the table below:

SIX PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES -------------------- DURATION
I - From Adam to the Flood- (Genesis 5)----------------1,656 years
II - From the Flood to Abraham-(Genesis 11&12)--------.427 years
III - From Abraham to Exodus-(Gal.3:17)---------------- 430 years
IV - From Exodus to king Saul-(1Reis 6:1-480-84)-------396 years
V - From Saul to the fall of Jerusalem -------------------- 508 years
VI - From the fall of Jerusalem to Jesus ----------------- .587 years
Thus, from Adam to the 1st coming of Jesus ----------.4.004 years
From Jesus to our days (Christian Calendar)-----------.2.021 years
Total from Adam to our days ----------------------------6.025 years

JESUS-the Greater Light, Genesis 1:v.16- came in the fourth Day or around 4,000 years after GOD has started His works of restitution of all things-Genesis 1 combined with Acts. 3:v.19-20. From JESUS (fourth Day) until our days, have passed more TWO DAYS or 2.000 years (one Day with the Lord is as a thousand years), in fact 6 complete Days or six complete millenniums, or around 6.000 years, more precisely 6,025 years, according Christian Calendar pointing the year 2.021.

So, we have entered in the beginning of the FIRST CENTURY of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or THE TURN FROM THE SIXTH TO THE SEVENTH DAY, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Millennium of Vengeance.

The world of Devil is already Judged and Condemned, and now, in this seventh and last millennium, it will be punished with strong punishments, the CHASTISEMENTS ALREADY STARTED, there will be only and only punishments in this last Day, the Day of the Lord, King of kings and LORD of lords.

And God Father has already entered in His rest, as He had planned in the beginning of His works, but He is not sleeping, of course, and JESUS takes over the RULE of the Universe, as JESUS said: All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Matthew 28:v.18

JESUS is now sat on His Throne, the Judgment Seat of Christ, to Judge all nations, taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not His gospel, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the Glory of His Power.

Revelation 11:v.15 to 18

15 - The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

18 - And the nations were (will be) angry, and thy wrath is come (GOD's wrath comes), and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that GOD should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth. It's it.

Revelation 2:v.25 to 29

25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

28 And I will give him the morning star.

29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

So, you think we have entered now into "the Millennium of 1,000 years rest" (6,025 years)?[/QUOTE]

For the most High and Almighty GOD, our GOD, THE TURN FROM THE SIXTH TO THE SEVENTH DAY, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Millennium of Vengeance.

Genesis 3:v.8 to 11
8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

 

[sovereigngrace]

So, you think we have entered now into "the Millennium of 1,000 years rest" (6,025 years)?

For the most High and Almighty GOD, our GOD, THE TURN FROM THE SIXTH TO THE SEVENTH DAY, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Millennium of Vengeance.

Genesis 3:v.8 to 11
8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Can you not answer simple questions simply?

 

[Oseas]

Can you not answer simple questions simply?

Based in the Word of GOD yes, for me what prevails is the Word of GOD, not an opinion of mine, do you understand? For me, there is not word more powerful than the Word of GOD.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Based in the Word of GOD yes, for me what prevails is the Word of GOD, not an opinion of mine, do you understand? For me, there is not word more powerful than the Word of GOD.

Nowhere in Scripture does it say the world will last for 7000 years. That is your own invention.

 

[Oseas]

Nowhere in Scripture does it say the world will last for 7000 years. That is your own invention.

Invention? Or it is you that believe not in GOD? The Word is GOD, understand? Yeah, the invisible GOD.
JESUS or rather the Word made flesh -the Word is GOD - came here around two thousand years ago, don't you know of this? And my Lord, yes, my Lord JESUS, said: "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work" - John 5:v.17.

Neither the own Satan, the father of lie, is able to deny that JESUS came in the fourth Day, the Greater Light - Genesis 1:v.16- or four thousand years after Adam, and two thousand years ago according Christian calendar, so it is CRYSTAL CLEAR that the sixth GOD's Day ended, finished, and on GOD's Clock the seventh and last Day has just begun, would say few minutes ago, or few minutes before.

JESUS is already sat in His Throne, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the RULE of Universe is with Him, and the most severe chastisement of the Devil's world is in His Power, and He will apllied strong punishment and cause great destruction in the world of Devil. Get ready

 

[sovereigngrace]

Invention? Or it is you that believe not in GOD? The Word is GOD, understand? Yeah, the invisible GOD.
JESUS or rather the Word made flesh -the Word is GOD - came here around two thousand years ago, don't you know of this? And my Lord, yes, my Lord JESUS, said: "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work" - John 5:v.17.

Neither the own Satan, the father of lie, is able to deny that JESUS came in the fourth Day, or four thousand years after Adam, and two thousand years ago, so it is CRYSTAL CLEAR that the sixth GOD's Day ended, finished, and on God's Clock the seventh and last day has just begun, would say few minutes ago, or few minutes before.

How long does your seventh day last? Is that the end of the world?

 

[keras]

How long does your seventh day last? Is that the end of the world?

Just read the Word as given and stop making wild assertions.
Revelation 20 states the thousand year period to come after Jesus Returns. Your denial of this Bible truth, is your bad.

Oseas: I have done that timeline and the time periods add to exactly 2000 years Adam to Abram, 2000 years Abraham to Jesus, and now 1995 years since Jesus. God's decreed times are accurate and orderly.
I have posted it on this forum, or take a look on my website.

 

[Oseas]

How long does your seventh day last?

I work with the Word of GOD, not with speculations, and imaginations, presumptions, conjectures, and strange and suspect opinions of men. The Word of GOD -the Word is GOD - answers your question. What does the Word of GOD say?
Beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day. 2 Peter 3:v.8

Is that the end of the world?

What does the Word of GOD say? 1 Corinthians 15:v. 24 to 27:
24 Then the END cometh, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He shall have PUT DOWN ALL RULE and ALL AUTHORITY and POWER.

25 For He must reign, till He hath put ALL ENEMIES under His feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For He hath put all things under His feet. But when He saith all things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put all things under Him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

Revelation 11:v.15 to 18


The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were (will be) angry, and thy wrath (GOD's wrath) is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth.

It is important to understand that the ETERNAL PUNISHMENT was determined to start in this current time, in the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millennium, and it WILL NEVER STOP, it WILL NEVER END, and it is already running, for ever and ever. Woe of tghe inhabitants of the earth.

Get ready

 

[sovereigngrace]

Just read the Word as given and stop making wild assertions.
Revelation 20 states the thousand year period to come after Jesus Returns. Your denial of this Bible truth, is your bad.

Oseas: I have done that timeline and the time periods add to exactly 2000 years Adam to Abram, 2000 years Abraham to Jesus, and now 1995 years since Jesus. God's decreed times are accurate and orderly.
I have posted it on this forum, or take a look on my website.

You guys are clearly winging it, and you know it. We are well into the 7th day now according to time. This demolishes your whole thesis. Anyway, Satan's little season also forbids your claims. It is impossible for you to fit you paradigm into the scriptural revelation (including Revelation 20). What is more, nowhere in Scripture does it say the world will last for 7000 years. That is your own invention.

 

[grafted branch]

I work with the Word of GOD, not with speculations, and imaginations, presumptions, conjectures, and strange and suspect opinions of men. The Word of GOD -the Word is GOD - answers your question. What does the Word of GOD say?
Beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day. 2 Peter 3:v.8

Jesus said only the Father knows the day and hour. All things were created by Him and for Him, so Jesus knows exactly when the first day of creation happened.

Why couldn’t Jesus know the day or hour?

We certainly wouldn’t say he couldn’t count or that he forgot when the first day of creation happened. I also don’t think we can come to the conclusion that Jesus didn’t understand the scriptures like Peter did when Peter referred to Psalms 90:4 in 2 Peter 3:8.

 

[DavidPT]

You guys are clearly winging it, and you know it. We are well into the 7th day now according to time. This demolishes your whole thesis. Anyway, Satan's little season also forbids your claims. It is impossible for you to fit you paradigm into the scriptural revelation (including Revelation 20). What is more, nowhere in Scripture does it say the world will last for 7000 years. That is your own invention.

Never mind. I need to have a relook at that article I initially posted a link to. So I deleted that for now.

 

[Oseas]

Oseas: I have done that timeline and the time periods add to exactly 2000 years Adam to Abram, 2000 years Abraham to Jesus, and now 1995 years since Jesus. God's decreed times are accurate and orderly.
I have posted it on this forum, or take a look on my website.

I work with the Word of GOD, you work with sources not biblical, you don't work with true sources, but false, mainly from JESUS until the ccurrent time. You are wrong, and the brothers which are reading your post are being deceived with your false timeline since JESUS. Hope that they believe not in you.

It would be interesting you re-view your posts about the biblical Chronology, and make the necessary corrections. We must cast down Satan from heaven to the earth by the Power of the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD - by the Power of Truth.

 

[keras]

I work with the Word of GOD, you work with sources not biblical, you don't work with true sources, but false, mainly from JESUS until the ccurrent time. You are wrong, and the brothers which are reading your post are being deceived with your false timeline since JESUS. Hope that they believe not in you.

Statements like this are unchristian and unacceptable here.
Apart from the fact how it reads incoherently, your accusations are false as your timeline.
However, I do excuse your English, as it isn't your first language. But not your false accusations.
I could post my time line which refers to 47 Bible verses, but I have done that at least twice here. Just do a search of the 7000 year timeline, by Keras.

 

[Oseas]

Jesus said only the Father knows the day and hour. All things were created by Him and for Him, so Jesus knows exactly when the first day of creation happened.

Sorry, but what you posted above has nothing to do with my reply to my brother sovereigngrace in his post #227, understand? But we are here to learn each more day from the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD, understand?

My brother asked(post #227):""How long does your seventh day last"?
I answered him saying(my post #229): "I work with the Word of GOD, not with speculations, and imaginations, presumptions, conjectures, and strange and suspect opinions of men. The Word of GOD -the Word is GOD - answers your question.
What does the Word of GOD say? 2 Peter 3:v.8 - Beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day.

For clarifying your mind, what I posted in my above reply is not refering to a 24h day, neither about "when the first day of creation happened", as you have imagined I don't know the why. Sorry, what you posted above has nothing to do with my reply #229 to the post #227 of my brother Sovereigngrace.

Why couldn’t Jesus know the day or hour? We certainly wouldn’t say he couldn’t count or that he forgot when the first day of creation happened.

You are saying that. I must say I am not included in your particular conceptions about my Lord JESUS, neither in your conditional suppositions of the ability of the Word made flesh-JESUS- if "he couldn’t count or that he forgot ..." as you said. The Word is GOD, understand?

I also don’t think we can come to the conclusion that Jesus didn’t understand the scriptures like Peter did when Peter referred to Psalms 90:4 in 2 Peter 3:8.

You are saying that. It would be more honest if you did not include randomly other persons in your own conceptions, and weak conclusions, including "we" or saying "we". By the way, what you are conceiving about my Lord JESUS is ridiculous. It's a mockery. Horrible.

 

[grafted branch]

You are saying that. It would be more honest if you did not include randomly other persons in your own conceptions, and weak conclusions, including "we" or saying "we". By the way, what you are conceiving about my Lord JESUS is ridiculous. It's a mockery. Horrible.

Ok, I’ll be honest and I won’t use the word “we”. I’ll just ask a binary question to prevent any impression of mockery.

Do you or don’t you think Jesus understood Psalms 90:4?

 

[Oseas]

Ok, I’ll be honest and I won’t use the word “we”. I’ll just ask a binary question to prevent any impression of mockery.

Do you or don’t you think Jesus understood Psalms 90:4?

Sorry, brother, I don't think what YOU THINK that I think.

 

[Timtofly]

You dismiss multiple passages because they cut across your invented extra-biblical 7000 years theory. So sad!

Actually it is because they do not back up your future 1000 years of wicked sinners. You only claim they are destroyed for your biased eschatology. They are all killed period. No sinner and sin in the 1000 year reign period.

After the 1000 years they are deceived, not during.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Actually it is because they do not back up your future 1000 years of wicked sinners. You only claim they are destroyed for your biased eschatology. They are all killed period. No sinner and sin in the 1000 year reign period.

After the 1000 years they are deceived, not during.

Really? So, it is not sin for billions of millennial inhabitants to reject Christ and righteousness and follow Satan in your estimation?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Finally someone else besides me who grasps who the goats are meaning.

Congrats on finding someone else who misinterprets Matthew 25:31-46 in a similar way as you do. It doesn't make your interpretation any less false, of course.

I guess Matthew 7 is not in some people's Bible, or that they misunderstand that ch as well. I guess to some of these interpreters the one's who professed to have done mighty works in His name, yet Jesus says He never knew them, this would be including Cain being someone professing to have done these things in His name. Why not? If their interpretation can have Cain being among the goats in Matthew 25, why not here as well?

Where does Matthew 25:31-46 indicate that the goats claim to have done mighty works in Jesus Christ's name? You're forcing a connection between unrelated passages.

You seem to think Matthew 7 is missing from some people's Bibles (Amils in particular). Is the following verse in your Bible?

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

In this verse Jesus separates all people into two groups. One group consists of those who are with Him. That would be Christians. The church. The other group are those who are not with Him and are against Him instead. No person falls outside of those two groups. So, why can't the sheep and goats represent those who are with Jesus and those who are against Jesus? There's no reason why not.

It talks about the goats being cast into everlasting fire. Why would the goats not represent all people whose names are not written in the book of life and will be cast into the lake of fire as we read about in Revelation 20:15? Again, there's no reason why not.

Why would Jesus want to judge those who claim to know Him but don't separately from everyone else who doesn't know Him? Revelation 20:15 indicates that all whose names are not written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire at the same time. All except for those who claimed to belong to Christ but didn't? No, that's not what it says.