2 Peter 3:10-12. Not when but how?

[sovereigngrace]

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Where do you see any of these divided into two groups?

Explain why you think Jesus would be saying the following to everyone in verse 13, especially those delivered up from death and hell?

Matthew 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.


Then explain why you think all of those in verse 13 would be answering Jesus like such, especially those delivered up from death and hell?

Matthew 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?


And if the sheep and goats judgment is involving all of the lost since the beginning of time, they being judged, explain why Jesus would be saying to anyone who was already long gone and dead way before His first coming happened first---For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink. I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

This alone proves that this judgment can't be involving any of the lost outside of the NT church era. This judgment is involving exactly what I said it is. It is involving judgment within His NT church, the sheep being His profitable servants, the goats being His unprofitable servants.

Cain was obviously among the lost. Per your interpretation you have him on the left side with the goats and then Jesus saying to Cain, someone that lived thousands of years prior to Him---For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink. I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.---then Cain answering Him like such---Lord, when saw I thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Most of the time I do not understand what you're actually arguing in your posts. They simply do not even make sense. You argue a lot of this as if you are totally ignorant of the Amil position. Maybe you are. I suspect you prefer misrepresenting that position, because that has increasingly become your pattern.

Once again, you sidetrack the discussion down another rabbit trail.

Notwithstanding, the whole of mankind from the beginning are either found "in Adam" or "in Christ" (the eternal Son). The fact is: the basis of salvation is the same in both the Old and the New Testaments. The old covenant saints looked forward by faith to Israel’s coming Redeemer and experienced forgiveness. Only those Israelis who accept the Gospel constituted God’s people. Dispensationalists should know: salvation has always been by grace, through faith, in Christ (the Messiah). Men of faith are found throughout the Old Testament. Hebrews 11 attests to this in a very powerful and detailed way. If men are born in sin, and if faith is the product of the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit, then the Old Testament saints must assuredly have supernaturally been birthed of the Spirit. Faith is the spiritual fruit of the renewing work of the Spirit of God within a human. Of course, the old covenant saints looked forward “by faith” to their promised coming Messiah who would redeem His people (Hebrews 11:13). But it seems evident that the Spirit performs the same transformative function in Old Testament times as He does in the New Testament economy.

Peter reinforces this thought while speaking of Christ and His earthly kingdom in 1 Peter 1:10-12: “Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into."

The Old Testament saints plainly possessed the same Spirit of Christ as New Testament believers do, although, they obviously looked forward by faith to the promised Redeemer, whereas the New Testament Church now looks back. The Old and New Testament saints, Jew and Gentile alike, have now been graciously merged together into the one harmonious spiritual Israel of God – the Church. This body recognizes no dispensational or ethnic separation at all.

The first Adam was the federal head of man through natural birth; Christ (the last Adam) is the federal head of all those who have entered into salvation via the second birth. These are two diverse companies of people. These two groups cover the whole remit of humankind. If men aren’t represented in Christ then they are represented in Adam. If they are found in Christ then Christ has bore their sin and endowed them with His robes of righteousness. They are accounted acceptable before God, through the life, death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. He entered into a covenant to redeem a lost people. In that eternal covenant our sins where imputed to Christ and His righteousness was imputed to us.

All our legal or covenant responsibilities where rested upon Christ, and all His legal or covenant merits were attributed to us. This work is the eternal basis of our justification by faith. Spiritual life can only be found in Christ alone. Those that are outside of Christ are destined to a lost eternity.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Sovereigngrace; the greatest, most biased misrepresenter!
I never brought up a third group.
After Jesus Returns and disposes of Satans army at Armageddon, there won't be anyone alive except for those who call themselves Christian.
They will be sorted into "sheep', the faithful ones and 'goats', those lukewarm and insincere believers. Revelation 3:14-16
I believe that the 'goats' may have the opportunity to redeem themselves during the Millennium.

I reject PreMill, if by that you mean a premill rapture.
But of course; Jesus will Return prior to His thousand year reign on earth.

No. You are trying your best to invent a third group of human beings outside of saved and lost. Well, they do not exist. I suspect you know that. It is a cop-out to suggest that there are a group of phony Christians that are somehow too righteous to escape the wrath of God at the end, yet too wicked to be rescued. That is not going to happen. It is fanciful. Men will either be caught up or caught on. There is no in-between. You have yet to prove your 3rd group. You will never find it in Holy Writ.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 declares: “the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.”

Do these half-saved half-lost creatures know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ? Yes or no? If all the believers are rescued and glorified when Jesus and all the wicked are destroyed from His very presence how are you populating the new earth with mortal rebels? Does this alleged 3rd group "know God and obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus"? Of course not! Then they are going to be destroyed from His majestic glory when He comes. There are no mortals survivors when He comes.

John the Baptist said in John 3:36, “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”

Do you see this? The wrath of God abideth on him." This is God's counsel. It matter not what theological gymnastics Premil play to justify their error, God's Word overrides it and exposes it!

Jesus warned in John 3:17-19: "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

Do you see this? By their refusal to embrace Christ they are condemned. Whatever way we look at it your speculation is rebutted by the inspired text and consequently falls apart.

 

[keras]

No. You are trying your best to invent a third group of human beings outside of saved and lost. Well, they do not exist. I suspect you know that. It is a cop-out to suggest that there are a group of phony Christians that are somehow too righteous to escape the wrath of God at the end, yet too wicked to be rescued. That is not going to happen. It is fanciful. Men will either be caught up or caught on. There is no in-between. You have yet to prove your 3rd group. You will never find it in Holy Writ.

Oh yeah?
You should read your Bible before making such wild accusations;
Luke 12:42-48, the parable of the unfaithful servant, who in thinking the Lord is a long time coming; starts to beat the other servants, get drunk, he knew his Masters wishes but didn't carry them out.

Any so called Christian you could think of; that this could apply to? I can.

As for the third group, the ungodly wicked; they are all dead.
Time to cease beating the dead donkey of AMill.
Also, everyone must make sure that our works, be they here or mowing our elderly neighbors lawn, are to the Glory of God and the help, NOT hindrance of all people.

 

[keras]

Do these half-saved half-lost creatures know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ? Yes or no?

Yes; because they have; Believed on the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved.
But that ain't the end of it:
There is the little matter of true repentance and the keeping of the Commandments thereafter. Many, no: most fail in these things.
They are saved but need to go further, or become lost again.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Yes; because they have; Believed on the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved.
But that ain't the end of it:
There is the little matter of true repentance and the keeping of the Commandments thereafter. Many, no: most fail in these things.
They are saved but need to go further, or become lost again.

When He comes people are either ready and are rescued or not and the door is eternally closed to them. Simple. Anything else is contrary to the Word.

Of course, once again you provide no evidence of a 3rd group. It is not enough to relay what you have been taught. You must present hard Scripture.

Your MO is to avoid all the Scriptures (and attached arguments) on any given subject that forbid your doctrine. This exposes the error of your position. This is your pattern. I refer you back to them.

 

[keras]

You must present hard Scripture.

OK pot. Calling the kettle black, isn't rebuttal.
Since when did you AMills present 'hard scripture'?

My contention about the being two groups of Christians, is quite Biblical.
2 Thess 2-4 mentions a falling away of believers in the end times.
Daniel 11:32 and Revelation 12, show a separation between believers.

 

[sovereigngrace]

OK pot. Calling the kettle black, isn't rebuttal.
Since when did you AMills present 'hard scripture'?

My contention about the being two groups of Christians, is quite Biblical.
2 Thess 2-4 mentions a falling away of believers in the end times.
Daniel 11:32 and Revelation 12, show a separation between believers.

And? Whilst I do not buy into the false teaching of "He loves me, He loves me not,” anyone who is not Christ's at His coming is destroyed - without exception. They do not get a free pass, even if they falsely professed. Contrary to what you claim, their damnation is actually greater.

This is all your own invention in order to sustain your doctrine. You are clearly winging it. You have zero Scripture. What you reference and fail to quote does not support your speculations.

 

[jeffweedaman]

And? Whilst I do not buy into the false teaching of "He loves me, He loves me not,” anyone who is not Christ's at His coming is destroyed - without exception. They do not get a free pass, even if they falsely professed. Contrary to what you claim, their damnation is actually greater.

This is all your own invention in order to sustain your doctrine. You are clearly winging it. You have zero Scripture. What you reference and fail to quote does not support your speculations.

Beautifully put.

Heb 10
19 Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, through His flesh, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let’s approach God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let’s hold firmly to the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; 24 and let’s consider how to encourage one another in love and good deeds, 25 not abandoning our own meeting together, as is the habit of some people, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

Christ or Judgment
26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries.

28 Anyone who has ignored the Law of Moses is put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 How much more severe punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

 

[keras]

anyone who is not Christ's at His coming is destroyed - without exception.

This is scripturally correct.
And the idea, which I may have inadvertently promoted, of two types of Christian, is not strictly correct; as anyone who has believed in Jesus is saved. John 3:16 makes that clear.
But we all know of people who have gone to the front at evangelizing Crusades, but subsequently have fallen away.
Peoples names CAN be removed from the Book of Life.

The scripture that clears this issue up is 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 We will be Judged and those with good works will be rewarded. Those whose works are not good fruit; will have to bear the loss, yet he will escape with his life...
This truth parallels Matthew 25:31-45, the Christian groups, or congregations, who organized neighborhood support and missions, and those who built fancy buildings and had opulent lifestyles.

 

[keras]

26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries.

This prophecy refers to the GWT Judgment, after the Millennium, Revelation 20:11-15, Matthew 25:46
The time when everyone who has ever lived will stand on Judgment before God. Those whom the Fire will consume, are the ones with their names erased from the Book of Life.

 

[jeffweedaman]

This prophecy refers to the GWT Judgment, after the Millennium, Revelation 20:11-15, Matthew 25:46
The time when everyone who has ever lived will stand on Judgment before God. Those whom the Fire will consume, are the ones with their names erased from the Book of Life.

True , but .....
That fire falls at his second coming when we are glorified on the day the wicked are eternally separated.


2thess 1
This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.


Your interpretation of a future time is in gross error.

 

[sovereigngrace]

This is scripturally correct.
And the idea, which I may have inadvertently promoted, of two types of Christian, is not strictly correct; as anyone who has believed in Jesus is saved. John 3:16 makes that clear.
But we all know of people who have gone to the front at evangelizing Crusades, but subsequently have fallen away.
Peoples names CAN be removed from the Book of Life.

The scripture that clears this issue up is 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 We will be Judged and those with good works will be rewarded. Those whose works are not good fruit; will have to bear the loss, yet he will escape with his life...
This truth parallels Matthew 25:31-45, the Christian groups, or congregations, who organized neighborhood support and missions, and those who built fancy buildings and had opulent lifestyles.

If all the wicked are destroyed when Jesus comes there is no space to populate your future millennium with billions of phonies.

 

[jeffweedaman]

If all the wicked are destroyed when Jesus comes there is no space to populate your future millennium with billions of phonies.

It is as simple as that.
It resembles Noahs day when God vowed to remove the ungodly from those not on the ark....leaving only the righteous. It happened leaving only the chosen.

So shall it be again on the fixed day of the destruction AND judgment of the ungodly at the promise of his coming.


2pet 3
5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed by being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly people.

 

[keras]

That fire falls at his second coming when we are glorified on the day the wicked are eternally separated.

This is in complete conflict with the Prophesies about the Return.
There is no fire when Jesus Returns. He just destroys the armies of Satan by the Sword of His Word.

There is no 'glorification' of humans prophesied until the GWT Judgment; after the Millennium.

If all the wicked are destroyed when Jesus comes there is no space to populate your future millennium with billions of phonies.

If I remember rightly, you agree that the ungodly wicked are all gone by the time Jesus visibly Returns. You display much confusion.

But Jesus will gather His faithful people, the group taken to safety; and resurrect the martyrs killed during the world control of the 'beast'.

No 'phonies', as you like to imagine.

 

[Oseas]

Probably most of the believers in the world today were mainly Catholics, Spiritist or Esoteric like the followers of Judaism, among many other religions created by the Devil, through which the spirit of Devil feeds them spiritually. As we know, peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all languages are represented as waters, or sea, in the Word of GOD-Revelation 17:v.15.

That said, today we can understand the existence of Believers in JESUS as the Scriptures say, and non-believers, actually GOD divided the light from the darkness, as He made in the beginning when He said: Let there be Light, and there was light. By the way, GOD also divided the waters from the waters. He made a firmament (a heaven-Ephesians 1:v.3) and divided the waters which were under the firmament (NON BELIEVERS) from the waters which were above the firmament(THE BELIEVERS IN CHRIST JESUS-Ephesians 1:v.3, and Phil.3:v.20-21, among others). These works of GOD were not and are not made like magic, they were and are worked hardly, in fact it is a COMPLEX process of making all kind of things, I mean all kind of living beings, among others.

We know that there were only waters-Genesis 1:v.2-, lets say by alegory there were peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues, everybody in darkness, then GOD manifested Himself-GOD is Light and in Him is no darkness at all -1John 1:v.5- and He first divided the light from the darkness, and afterwards divided waters from the waters, and the waters which were iluminated by Him He placed them in the firmament(heaven), actually a special and celestial, environment, lets say for better understanding, the environment of the OT revealed to Moses, as above described, according Genesis. Then GOD said: Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. THIS IS WONDERFUL, VERY VERY WONDERFUL, because only and only ONE UNIQUE PEOPLE was placed above in the FIRMAMENT, THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL, the seed of Abraham, and then appeared the earth, the DRY LAND, the clay, the people of Israel. And under the firmament -under heaven- was placed the people the non-iluminated people by the light of GOD until the third Day, the Gentile peoples, and GOD called the gathering waters under heaven of sea. BY THE WAY, it is from these waters under the firmament that appeared the Beast of sea in the fourth Day or after CHRIST JESUS, or still 4.000 years after Adam. BY THE WAY, with and through our Lord JESUS, GOD the Father created a second firmament or heaven, in fact a firmament more HIGHER than the first firmament where He placed Israel. Thus GOD created a WONDERFUL CHANCE TO ILUMINATE the waters STILL under the firmament with His glorious light through the Greater Luminar-JESUS Christ.

NOTICE that there was a blessed generation, seed of GOD, that was iluminated by the light of GOD since the beginning; since Abel He separated the light from the darkness, and GOD revelead to Moses around 2.500 years after Adam or after two days and half of works, that is, the genealogy of the generation which were iluminated by His light: Genesis chap.5 - chek it - and JESUS come from this blessed generation.

To stop, for now, around Genesis, and jumping to our days, now we tend to confront with a red Dragon with 7 heads, that is spiritually the main partner of the Dragon, and also with 10 horns, and a terrible TAIL.

As is revealed in the Word of GOD, and it is above described, with/ through JESUS, GOD created the second firmament-second heaven- to place the Gentile nations iluminated by His light through JESUS-the Greater Light-. But GOD's Plan was also to place Israel, that is the earth, together the Gentile, in the same celestial environment, the second firmament-the second heaven-where the believers -Jews and Gentiles, still are. Now, even now, from now on, a third firmament- a third heaven- it will be established for a thousand years, but simultaneously will rise from the earth -Israel- a MA N Beast like a lamb with two horns(each horn represents one kingdom, both represent two kingdoms), but speaks as Dragon, in fact a false lamb, a false messiah, an esoteric, and kabalistic, and spiritist messiah, then THERE WILL BE TWO MAN BEASTS - a Gentile MAN Beast of sea- Gentile nations- and a Jewish Man Beast, the Beast of the earth-Israel- the little horn who will rise up from /among the ten horns.

So there is a perilous point that call our attention; Hardly the believer will be deceived by the Man Beast of sea and his followers, but regarding the MAN Beast of the earth-the false messiah-John 5:v.43 and 2 Thes.2:v.3to12, is is written that a third part will be cast to the earth by his TAIL- Revelation 12:v.4. The sad question is: Who among us, among the believers, will be deceived by the TAIL of the Dragon, or more clearly, by the TAIL of the Jewish false messiah? TERRIBLE. VERY VERY SAD.

Remember: Revelation 16:v.13 to 15
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. (Why frogs? Because these are the unclean spirits of devils which are able to live in waters(peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues), and also live in dry land or in the earth-Israel. Actually, the waters(i.e. peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues) are poluted of unclean spirits like frogs.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of this great Day of God Almighty. (The Lord's Day)

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Be careful and get ready

In Christ JESUS
Oseas

To the only wise God our Saviour, be Glory and Majesty, Dominion and Power, both now and ever. Amen.

 

[sovereigngrace]

There is no fire when Jesus Returns.

Who taught you this? The opposite is the truth. Your fight is with clear and repeated Scripture, not Amils.

The coming of the Lord will be fiery and climactic. There will be no survivors. The evidence for this is overwhelming.

2 Samuel 22:9: “There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.”

Job 41:20-21: “Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.”

Psalm 18:7-8: “the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth. There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.”

The Psalmist says, in Psalm 50:1-6, “The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof. Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined. Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people. Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself.”

Here we see a vivid record of the one final future coming of the Lord, the gathering in of the saints and the fiery destruction of the world/wicked. Whilst it is clearly a day of rescue for the saints of God, as in Noah and Lot’s day, it is a day of awful wrath and destruction for the wicked. Those that are left behind are undoubtedly the recipients of this awful final heavenly wrath (as seen elsewhere in Scripture). The Psalmist says of this final event: “a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.”

This reading outlines the gracious rescue that occurs before the final judgment and the end of this present world. The passage expressly declares, “Gather my saints together unto me.” It is expressly the time where the saints of God finally receive their reward. Significantly, it is seen to coincide with the fiery destruction that comes from heaven, destroying all those that love not the Lord’s Coming.

Psalm 68: 1-3 declares, “Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered: let them also that hate him flee before him. As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God. But let the righteous be glad; let them rejoice before God: yea, let them exceedingly rejoice.”

Psalm 97:3-5 testifies, “A fire goeth before him, and burneth up his enemies round about. His lightnings enlightened the world: the earth saw, and trembled. The hills melted like wax at the presence of the LORD, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.”

Isaiah 11:4-5: “But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.”

Isaiah 13:9-11: “Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars (kowkab) of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.”

The current universe and stars are all going to be changed when He comes. Christ will be the eternal light on the new earth! The whole description indicates this corrupt earth and the heavens (outer space) we know now will be no more when Jesus comes.

Isaiah 30:33: “For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”

Isaiah 34:1-4, 8: “Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it. For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter. Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree … For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.”

This is total destruction – for who and what is left behind. This is talking about the topography of the physical earth and starry host being totally destroyed. There are no survivors!

Isaiah 34 is speaking about the physical change that affects the earth, heavens and elements when Jesus comes. Premil has to often change the meaning of Hebrew and Greek words in order to get that doctrine to fit. Premil explains away the literal meaning of text after text and replaces with its alternative definition. This is not the way that Scripture should be approached. This is classic eisegesis. There is so much Scripture that forbids the Premil theory that Premil is forced to spiritualize away the clearest and most literal of Scripture, ironically it literalizes the one book that is the most symbolic in Scripture (Revelation). This alone is grounds to reject the doctrine.

Isaiah 66:15-17: “For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.”

Joel 2:1-3 says, “for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.”

Joel 2:10-11: “The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?”

Nahum 1:1, 5-6 says, “God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies …The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein. Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.”

Malachi 4:1 says, “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, and all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up.”

Amils take this literal! This is complete, wholesale, and total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!

Jesus said in Luke 17:26-30, “as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”

How many wicked survived in Noah's day?
How many wicked survived in Sodom?

Amils take this literal! This is complete, wholesale, and total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!

For example, I Thessalonians 5:2-3: “the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”

Amils take this literal! This is complete, wholesale, and total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!

II Thessalonians 1:7-10 says, “the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.”

Amils take this literal! This is complete, wholesale, and total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!

2 Peter 3:10-13 supports this, saying, "the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”

Amils take this literal! This is complete, wholesale, and total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!

Revelation 19:11-16 makes clear, “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall shepherd them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

Verses 17-18 says, “I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. The loipoy (or remaining ones) those left behind were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.”

Amils take this literal! This is complete, wholesale, and total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!

Revelation 20:11-15 – 21:1-5: “And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away (or departed). And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.”

Amils take this literal! This is complete, wholesale, and total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!

You know, in both of these examples, all the elect were immediately and totally rescued and all the wicked were immediately and totally destroyed. So will it be when He appears. All the elect were immediately and totally rescued and all the wicked were immediately and totally destroyed, so will it be when He appears.

It is both the suddenness and the scale of the destruction happening that is enlightening for the end-time Bible student. No wicked survive. We are looking at utter and wholesale destruction. That is because the wicked are not qualified to inherit the new earth. Mortals are not welcome. Corruption cannot inherit incorruption.

All of these Old Testament passages agree with the climactic New Testament detail pertaining to the second coming that proves the Amil paradigm. What do you have? Nothing! All you have is the misinterpretation of one apocalyptic passage. That is theologically insane and abysmal hermeneutics. Your understanding of the same conflicts with multiple Old Testament and New Testament passages that show the coming of Christ to be the end.

 

[sovereigngrace]

There is no 'glorification' of humans prophesied until the GWT Judgment; after the Millennium.

Who taught you this? The opposite is the truth. Your fight is with clear and repeated Scripture, not Amils.

1 Corinthians 15:50-55 declares, “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption [Gr. phthartos or perishable] inherit incorruption [Gr. aphthrsia or imperishable]. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed [Gr. allasso], In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible [Gr. aphthrsia or imperishable], and we shall be changed [Gr. allasso]. For this corruptible [Gr. phthartos or perishable] must put on incorruption [Gr. aphthrsia or imperishable], and this mortal [Gr. thnētos] must put on immortality [Gr. athanasia or deathlessness]. So when this corruptible [Gr. phthartos or perishable] shall have put on incorruption [Gr. aphthrsia or imperishable], and this mortal [Gr. thnētos] shall have put on immortality [Gr. athanasia or deathlessness], then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?”

This passage is describing the great supernatural change that occurs to God’s people when Jesus returns and takes them from a temporal fallen “flesh and blood” existence to an eternal glorified condition. Corruptibility and mortality are shown here to be interlinked. Incorruption and immortality are also shown to be enjoined. They describe the two diverse states existing in two completely different dimensions.

The whole context of 1 Corinthians 15 is the perfecting of the believer’s body by “the resurrection of the dead” where he is “raised in incorruption,” “raised in glory,” “raised in power” and “raised a spiritual body.” Why? Because “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” The earth that the redeemed inherit is perfect. It is purged of every vestige of the fall by fire. It is wonderfully glorified and prepared for the similarly glorified saints.

Interestingly, this Greek word allasso used to describe the glorification of the earth in Hebrews 1:10-12 is also used to describe the glorification of the elect in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52

We must note the careful connection between “flesh and blood” and “corruption” or ‘mortality’ (which relates to “this present time”) in comparison to “the kingdom of God” (that appears in all its final glory when “the trumpet shall sound”) and “incorruption” or “immortality.”

In short, 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 articulates the prohibition that attends inheriting the new arrangement – “neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” The new earth inhabitants must of necessity be immediately changed to enter the new glorified kingdom. As there was a commonality in the fall, so there will equally be a commonality in the glorification.

Since the earth is restored to its perfect original curse-free state through glorification those that would inhabit it must be likewise. Those that inherit this glorified earth require of necessity a body suited to it. Only those raised in spiritual bodies will bear the image of the heavenly. The kingdom of God that appears at Christ’s return is eternal and untarnished by the taint of sin.

After glorification and this corruptible taking on incorruption, Premils have the redeemed inheriting incorruption on a still imperfect and recuperating earth from the effects of the curse. They then amazingly imagine that the glorified saints will have to endure the sight of countless unregenerate mortals performing their vice on the new earth for a further thousand years. In reality, the perfected saints are surrounded by incorruption for many centuries. This is totally contrary to the scriptural teaching.

Romans 8:16-23 declares, “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption [Gr. phthartos or decay] into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.”

Both the creature and creation are waiting for “the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body” – or resurrection day. This is the day when both will be finally delivered from the aforementioned “bondage of corruption.”

Scripture makes it abundantly clear there will be an end to the current fallen state. There will be a day of complete deliverance.

At this juncture we must briefly enquire, what is this “bondage of corruption” spoken of in this passage that will one day be removed? It is the awful curse that came upon all mankind as a result of Adam’s fall in the Garden of Eden. This curse embodies every effect of the fall that afflicts man, including sin, death, and every form of decay.

It must also be noted, that the reference relating to those who desire deliverance from the present condition of “the bondage of corruption” is not restricted to the redeemed of God alone (those who “have the firstfruits of the Spirit”). The hope is more comprehensive. This passage tells us that the whole of creation is yearning for this monumental change. This only goes to show that all creation doesn’t simply experience the reality and awful cost of the fall, but that it yearns for relief from its corrosive clutches through its continuation.

When, then, will this perpetual groaning and travailing of all “creation” in pain, for the expressed reason of the continued existence of the awful “bondage of corruption” within “the creature,” actually be finally assuaged?

This approaching change occurs at the one final future coming of Christ – the day of redemption. It is only then that the “sons of God” are finally glorified, and therefore totally and eternally delivered from this continuing “bondage of corruption” into the “glorious liberty of the children of God.” Then, all redeemed creation will be transformed from corruption to incorruption. The time of the “redemption of our body” is the time that sees creation finally and eternally delivered from bondage. This is glorification. This is shown in the whole thrust and context of the introductory verses to this reference, where Paul was talking about man’s great deliverance. He is talking about the saints being “glorified” (v 17) at His return and describing it as “the glory which shall be revealed in us” (v 18).

This reading clearly locates the anticipated glorification feat to the day of redemption when Christ rescues His elect from this sin-cursed world. It is this concluding event that finally witnesses the entire elect of God of all time secure the last aspect of the redemptive process – the “redemption” of their bodies. It is this last day that sees the glorious “manifestation of the sons of God” (v 19) or “the glorious liberty of the children of God” (v 21). This event also sees to removal of everything that is in rebellion to God or does not belong to God.

This is the end. This is the second coming. This is the time when the elect are resurrection. No mention or allowance for this Premil thousand years. This reading clearly locates the anticipated glorification feat to the day of redemption when Christ rescues His elect from this sin-cursed world. It is this concluding event that finally witnesses the entire elect of God of all time secure the last aspect of the redemptive process – the “redemption” of their bodies. It is this last day that sees the glorious “manifestation of the sons of God” (v 19) or “the glorious liberty of the children of God” (v 21). This event also sees to removal of everything that is in rebellion to God or does not belong to God.

1 Peter 1:3-5: “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance [Gr. kleronomia] incorruptible [Gr. aphthrsia or unending existence], and undefiled, and that fadeth not away [Gr. amarantos or perpetual], reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.”

The “inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away” is shown to arrive at the second coming. Premils try and move that to the end of their supposed future millennium. This passage rebuts that.

This reading makes plain, “flesh and blood” or mortal believers cannot inherit a glorified earth that has been purified by fire of every last vestige of the curse. Man in his sinful corruptible state cannot inherit an incorruptible regenerated earth.

To sustain your argument, you seem to suspend Christ's climactic appearing in power and glory (Matthew 19:28, 24:29-30, 25:31-32, Mark 13:24 and Luke 21:25-27) for an extra 1,000 yrs+. From what I can see, the Premil earth is little (if anything) different from ours today. It is saturated in sin, death, decay and rebellion. It is simply a re-run of our day. Many unsaved survive to enter into this future earth and prosper to such a degree that they overrun the earth. Corruption abounds relentless despite Christ victoriously ushering it in and reigning unsuccessfully for 1,000 yrs with the glorified saints with a subjugating rod of iron. The failure of this so-called glorious reign is exemplified in the fact that there is not one single convert for truth – in your paradigm.

You fail to see that God's fiery wrath is going to accompany His return, destroying the wicked and this current sin-cursed earth. He is then going to perfect (or glorify) this earth through regeneration in order to prepare it for the perfected (or glorified) saints. You don't recognize that mankind is either caught up or caught on, resulting in annihilation. You have some unsaved being destroyed with the wrath of God, others miraculously (and somehow) dodging it. This seems like a confused mess. Millions of wicked march into the millennial kingdom to inherit it along with the perfected saints.

The reality is, 1 Corinthians 15 tells us: “flesh and blood (or sinful mortals) cannot inherit the kingdom of God" because it is only the glorified in their glorified bodies that survive Christ's return and populate the new glorified earth. Also, "corruption" cannot enter unto the new earth because corruption cannot "inherit incorruption” (I Corinthians 15:50). The first fact we see in this reading is: the new earth that ushers in the kingdom of God is totally incorrupt. In doing so, Paul makes it crystal-clear that corruptible mortals are forbidden access to the new earth. Man in his sinful state cannot inherit an incorruptible regenerated earth.

I John 3:1-2 says, “Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.”

The second coming of the Lord is here again identified as the moment when the creature experiences the last aspect of redemption and is finally glorified and released from the “the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.” Presently, “it doth not yet appear what we shall be,” the reason being, “now we see through a glass … now I know in part” however, when we see Him “face to face … then shall I know even as also I am known” (1 Corinthians 13:12). We therefore have that wonderful assurance “that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.” The awful present curse of the bondage of corruption will be finally eliminated and the final eternal righteous state will be fully introduced. Paul also identifies the time of the subduing or subordinating of “all things unto himself” with the occasion of the second coming, which expressly sees the final act of redemption and the fulfilment of the glorification process. This is unquestionably the conclusion of history – the “times of restitution (or reconstitution) of all things.”

 

[keras]

This is unquestionably the conclusion of history

TL,DR.
Unquestionably; the end of God's decreed 7000 year time for mankind , will be at The Great White Throne Judgment. Which is plainly stated to happen AFTER the Millennium. Revelation 20

You are mistaken in attributing 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 the the Return of Jesus. It simply doesn't belong there. It will be fulfilled after the GWT Judgment. Proved by Revelation 21:4m only then will Death be no more.

 

[sovereigngrace]

TL,DR.
Unquestionably; the end of God's decreed 7000 year time for mankind , will be at The Great White Throne Judgment. Which is plainly stated to happen AFTER the Millennium. Revelation 20

You are mistaken in attributing 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 the the Return of Jesus. It simply doesn't belong there. It will be fulfilled after the GWT Judgment. Proved by Revelation 21:4m only then will Death be no more.

You dismiss multiple passages because they cut across your invented extra-biblical 7000 years theory. So sad!

 

[Oseas]

[QUOTE="sovereigngrace, post: 76524177, member: 424622" said to Keras] You dismiss multiple passages because they cut across your invented extra-biblical 7000 years theory. So sad![/QUOTE]

GOD is in control of history, nothing random happens.

Based in the Word of God, the source of the truth, on God's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years (2Pet.3:v.8), so MANKIND would go through six God Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).

According biblical Chronology, we can number our days starting in Genesis 5, as follow:
Adam lived …...............................................130 yrs and begat Seth
Seth lived …………………………………………………........105 yrs and begat Enosh;
Enosh lived ..................................................90 yrs and begat Kenan;
Kenan lived...................................................70 yrs and begat Mahalalel;
Mahalalel lived ..............................................65 yrs and begat Jared;
Jared lived ..................................................162 yrs and begat Enoch;
Enoch lived ...................................................65 yrs and begat Methuselah;
Methuselah lived...........................................187 yrs and begat Lamech;
Lamech lived ...............................................182 yrs and begat Noah;
From Noah´s birth until the Flood...................600 yrs.
Total of years from Adam to the Flood =.......1.656 yrs.

I work with the Word of God. Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of God, it is not of human theories or human speculations. Let us study the times until our days not by human theories and speculations, but by the Word of God. So, see the table below:

SIX PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES -------------------- DURATION
I - From Adam to the Flood- (Genesis 5)----------------1,656 years
II - From the Flood to Abraham-(Genesis 11&12)--------.427 years
III - From Abraham to Exodus-(Gal.3:17)---------------- 430 years
IV - From Exodus to king Saul-(1Reis 6:1-480-84)-------396 years
V - From Saul to the fall of Jerusalem -------------------- 508 years
VI - From the fall of Jerusalem to Jesus ----------------- .587 years
Thus, from Adam to the 1st coming of Jesus ----------.4.004 years
From Jesus to our days (Christian Calendar)-----------.2.021 years
Total from Adam to our days ----------------------------6.025 years

JESUS-the Greater Light, Genesis 1:v.16- came in the fourth Day or around 4,000 years after GOD has started His works of restitution of all things-Genesis 1 combined with Acts. 3:v.19-20. From JESUS (fourth Day) until our days, have passed more TWO DAYS or 2.000 years (one Day with the Lord is as a thousand years), in fact 6 complete Days or six complete millenniums, or around 6.000 years, more precisely 6,025 years, according Christian Calendar pointing the year 2.021.

So, we have entered in the beginning of the FIRST CENTURY of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or THE TURN FROM THE SIXTH TO THE SEVENTH DAY, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Millennium of Vengeance.

The world of Devil is already Judged and Condemned, and now, in this seventh and last millennium, it will be punished with strong punishments, the CHASTISEMENTS ALREADY STARTED, there will be only and only punishments in this last Day, the Day of the Lord, King of kings and LORD of lords.

And God Father has already entered in His rest, as He had planned in the beginning of His works, but He is not sleeping, of course, and JESUS takes over the RULE of the Universe, as JESUS said: All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Matthew 28:v.18

JESUS is now sat on His Throne, the Judgment Seat of Christ, to Judge all nations, taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not His gospel, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the Glory of His Power.

Revelation 11:v.15 to 18

15 - The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

18 - And the nations were (will be) angry, and thy wrath is come (GOD's wrath comes), and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that GOD should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth. It's it.

Revelation 2:v.25 to 29

25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

28 And I will give him the morning star.

29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

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