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Weasel7711

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I was driving in my car early the other morning and I heard some call in Christian show where the guy was talking about how the tribulation started in 1988 and how Satan, since 1988, has control of all the churches, and Christians who are a part of the church are being led astray.

Can anyone tell me what this is called and more of a background and why they believe what they believe??

I have never heard this before, and I have heard many different beliefs on the end times (preterism, amillenialism, postmillenialism, posttrib rapture, etc.)
 

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The tribulation has not yet started... but I do believe we are in the time of the beginning of sorrows that comes before that. I don't know what the theory is that you heard. Take a look at Daniel 11:14 where a vision begins. (Use the KJV). Look at how Daniel saw a vision of sorrow in Daniel 10:1-2. Blend the vision in chapter 10 with the one in Daniel 11:14 that starts. Here is the time of the beginning of sorrows.

verse 13
splits apart
as to making some of it for "after certain years"

So place Saddam as the king of the north (Babylon)
with a great army
much riches

then
the assassination of Anwar Sadat - as to many shall stand up against the king of the south (Egypt)

then the vision was to start when the robbers of Israel exalted themselves.
The Palestinians declared independence on Nov. 15,1988.
Now start Daniel's 10:1-2 three full weeks of sorrow.
21 years

The vile person (a-c) stands up as the ruler of Iraq at verse 21.

This is what I beleive.

vinsight4u, this is very interesting. I have never heard this before.
 
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Dude, I don't care whether its correct or not, I don't care what your personal beliefs are on this matter, I don't care what my beliefs are on this matter, I just want to know what this guy on the radio is smoking and if anyone has heard this before. I am very much aware that it doesn't make any sense for the trib to have started in 1988. Quit hijacking the thread. If you would like tell the world about your personal beliefs on the matter feel free, in another thread.


This is one of the reasons I very rarely post in this section of foru.ms.
 
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Hi there Weasel,

Does the name Harold Camping or "The Bible Answer Man" ring a bell? It sounds like the false Preterist heresies of Harold Camping aka "The Bible Answer Man" although he may not be the only source of this false teaching. But I do know he has a radio show and I know he is a preterist, as well as I know that he has made false predictions in the past, so he was the first one that popped to my mind when I read your post
so, I did some checking
and this is what I came across, which is an informative outline of what I guess is his latest book as well as some background info about him.

http://www.bibleandscience.com/otherviews/camping.htm

Here's a clipping of the first paragraph on the page:

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Harold Camping has again proclaimed the probable end of the world. This time the end of the world is set for 2011 A.D. He has written a new book entitled Time Has An End: A Biblical History of the World 11,013 BC - 2011 AD (Vantage Press: 2005). In this book he proclaims like a modern day prophet that the Church Age ended in 1988, 40 years after the beginning of the nation of Israel in 1948. This is also the beginning of the Great Tribulation in 1988. 1994 marks the beginning of the 2nd Jubilee (Later Rain). Previously, he said 1994 was to be the end of the world. The probable end of the world is now set at 2011 A.D. See Chart. Usually millennialists say there are seven years of tribulation followed directly by the return of Christ. I may not be good at math, but there seems to be a lot more than 7 years between 1988 and 2011."

God bless



I just want to know what this guy on the radio is smoking and if anyone has heard this before.
 
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I was driving in my car early the other morning and I heard some call in Christian show where the guy was talking about how the tribulation started in 1988 and how Satan, since 1988, has control of all the churches, and Christians who are a part of the church are being led astray.

Can anyone tell me what this is called and more of a background and why they believe what they believe??

I have never heard this before, and I have heard many different beliefs on the end times (preterism, amillenialism, postmillenialism, posttrib rapture, etc.)
This is based on the classic dispensationalist belief that the rise of national Israel, in 1948, heralds the end of the age. Christ's statement in Mark 13, and parallels, that 'this generation' will witness the end, is taken not to mean his generation, but the generation that witnesses the reconstitution of Israel as a nation. And a generation being 40 years, the end must come within 40 years of 1948- thus, 1988.

Go on amazon and just look at a book called 88 Reasons the Rapture Will Happen in 1988.

In point of fact, dispensationalism was damaged to the core by the passing of this date with no consequence.

The three solutions have been-

1. Believe that 1988 still had significance, as the radio fellow seems to believe, while ignoring the rapture prediction.

2. Believe that the 40 years starts not in 1948, but in 1967, with the retaking of Jerusalem by Israel. Thus, the key date is, oddly enough, September-October 2007. Ever wonder was this is the first election cycle in which Pat Robertson isn't declaring his candidacy? Because as far as he's concerned, it's all over within the next month.

3. Change the definition to 100 years instead of fourty, thus giving you a maximum date of 2048 or, at most, 2067.

Naturally, this is all hogwash and I think people who believe in all this, let alone dispensationalism at all, should be committed. But that's the logic of date-setting, anyway.
 
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Thanks guys.

IamRedeemed: I thought Hank Hanegraff was the Bible Answer Man, and I know he's a preterist but I dont think he believes the trib started in 1988, and he seems to provide a lot of information for apologetics to lay Christians
http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaMNJrE/b.2106253/k.BDBB/Home.htm

Maybe we are thinking of different guys.
 
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I agree with you Gratia that date setting is ridiculous and completely unbiblical. Christ said himself that no one knows the date or the hour, not even Christ, only the father. There's a few fanatics in this forum and that's why I think we shouldn't worry about dates, just live life like He's coming back today and prepare like He isn't coming back until we are gone.
 
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Hi Weasel,

You may be right that it is Hank Hannegraff that goes by the "Bible Answer Man",
but according to the link and the first paragraph I quoted for you in my first response to you,
it is true that Harold Camping claims
the 1988 thing. Incidently or coincidently though,
both have radio shows and both are false teachers.

God Bless



Thanks guys.

IamRedeemed: I thought Hank Hanegraff was the Bible Answer Man, and I know he's a preterist but I dont think he believes the trib started in 1988, and he seems to provide a lot of information for apologetics to lay Christians
http://www.equip.org/site/c.muI1LaMNJrE/b.2106253/k.BDBB/Home.htm

Maybe we are thinking of different guys.
 
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Nineteen years later and people still won't learn!!!!

I think I remember when that hype was going on. I was 14 (a confused teenager) at the time, and I remember how scared silly I was.

But, if a person really stops to think about it, we know that it's a bit senseless to place a time (even guessing a year) on the Lord's return, as the Bible clearly says that no man knows the day nor the hour (Matthew 24:36) and that Jesus will come as a thief in the night (Matt. 24:43-44). All we can do, as believers, is know by the signs that His return is soon, be on our best behavior and serve Him as best we can, and look up as our redemption draws near.
 
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This is based on the classic dispensationalist belief that the rise of national Israel, in 1948, heralds the end of the age.

This is not classic dispensationalism. Every classic dispensationalits abhores date setting.
 
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Does the name Harold Camping or "The Bible Answer Man" ring a bell? It sounds like the false Preterist heresies of Harold Camping aka "The Bible Answer Man"
Hank Hanegraff is the Bible Answer Man, Harold Camping is merely a public nuisance. Hanegraff is an orthodox preterist (as am I), Camping is a Dispensational Delusionalist. Camping makes absurd predictions that never happen, Hanegraff answers questions from the Bible. No connection between the two.

 
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Yes, it can happen, has happened and continues to happen. Of course he uses the Bible. How else would a false teacher get away with false teaching? There is always truth mixed in to false teaching everywhere. Consider JW and Mormonism, Jim Jones and David Koresh.
You don't think people follow(ed) them because they spoke all lies do you?


Hank Hanegraff is the Bible Answer Man, Harold Camping is merely a public nuisance. Hanegraff is an orthodox preterist (as am I), Camping is a Dispensational Delusionalist. Camping makes absurd predictions that never happen, Hanegraff answers questions from the Bible. No connection between the two.

 
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Yes, it can happen, has happened and continues to happen.
What has happened? You lost me there.

Of course he uses the Bible. How else would a false teacher get away with false teaching?
He who, Camping or Hanegraff? Camping makes most of his stuff up based on knight-jump exegesis, erroneous assumptions, and pure imagination. Hanegraff is pretty much content to let the Scripture say what it says.
 
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