10 Scientific Facts Evolution is Wrong

[RickG]

I thought my answer was quite simple as well. The formation of zircons forces out all of the Pb, but it does trap U inside of the zircon. Therefore, when we find Pb in zircons we can know that it got there from the decay of U. Very simple and straightforward.

If I may add a bit more for AV to try and grasp just what the U/Pb dating method entails, it is not just a decay of U to Pb, it entails a series of decays all of which are present and can only be with an established history.

 

[Loudmouth]

If I may add a bit more for AV to try and grasp just what the U/Pb dating method entails, it is not just a decay of U to Pb, it entails a series of decays all of which are present and can only be with an established history.

Exactly. What we find in many cases is "secular equilibrium". This is where the more stable intermediate isotopes in the U decay chain are found at ratios consistent with a constant rate equilibrium.

 

[Kylie]

I define "maturity" as having all the attributes it takes to do what is expected of you.

"History" would be defined as a series of events in any given timeframe.

I find your definition of "maturity" to be rather flawed. WHat is expected of me? WHose expectations are we talking about? My own expectations? Someone elses?

I'd define maturity as "the end result of a process of development". An adult is mature because they have gone through the process of development from childhood. My daughter is not mature because she hasn't completed that process.

But by your logic, even a newborn baby is mature, because all people expect of them is to consume milk, sleep and poop.

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you suggesting that God embedded age then the devil embedded history in that age?

No.

I'm saying all the devil has to do is override existential age with history.

Example:

The existential age of the earth is 6000 years, so all the devil has to do is get a subset of the human race to believe something has a history of more than 6000 years, and that pwns embedded age creationism in their minds.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then why do we see billions of years of history in the rocks?

I give up ... why?

Calibrated machines? programmed computers? mental blocks? myopia? unbelief?

Who knows?

 

[AV1611VET]

It is backed by observations ...

No, it isn't.

Give me the name of one person who has seen ZrSiO4 → Pb over a period longer than 6000 years.

 

[AV1611VET]

What we find ... are found ...

I thought you just said it was "observed."

Sounds to me like you're backtracking to "what we find" now.

 

[AV1611VET]

WHose expectations are we talking about?

God's expectations, of course.

Remember?

Embedded age only occurred during the first week of 4004 BC.

Adam was expected to marry, have children, and tend the Garden.

The trees were expected to bare fruit for the human race.

Etc.

 

[Kylie]

God's expectations, of course.

Remember?

Embedded age only occurred during the first week of 4004 BC.

Adam was expected to marry, have children, and tend the Garden.

The trees were expected to bare fruit for the human race.

Etc.

Please provide passages to show all the things that God expected humans to do. In keeping with your own philosophy, make sure they are only from Creation Week.

We will then compare the things that Humans have to what is required of them.

 

[AV1611VET]

Please provide passages to show all the things that God expected humans to do. In keeping with your own philosophy, make sure they are only from Creation Week.

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

This is maturity without history, with maturity being defined as having the ability to do what is expected of you; which expectation comes from God.

 

[Kylie]

So, God expects us to:

1. Be fruitful
2. Multiply
3. Replenish the Earth
4. Subdue the Earth
5. Have dominion over the fish
6. Have dominion over the birds
7. Have dominion over every living thing
8. Dress the Garden of Eden
9. Keep the Garden of Eden

Now, just so we are on the same page here, could you tell me exactly what each of these involves? It seems to me that 1 and 2 are the same thing, but I want to make sure I'm not coming at this from an ignorant point of view. So I'll be happy to accept whatever you claim is involved in each one.

 

[AV1611VET]

Now, just so we are on the same page here, could you tell me exactly what each of these involves?

Goodbye.

 

[Kylie]

Goodbye.

Ah, typical. Run away whenever anyone asks you to actually use your ideas or provide any support.

What's next? Asking a moderator to close the thread?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Ah, typical. Run away whenever anyone asks you to actually use your ideas or provide any support.

Thinking is discouraged in creation circles for a reason.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

Losing Our Religion: The Growth Of The 'Nones' : The Two-Way : NPR

The rise of atheism in America - The Week

Irreligion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is America losing faith? Atheism on the rise but still in the shadows - Telegraph

How's that? Google is your friend.

You looked up the wrong subjects. Here is what I referred to, which was earlier in this thread.

I mocked no one, I simply made an observation.

Can a creationist truly be called a Christian when they do more harm to Christianity than anyone else?
Islam is supposed to be a peaceful and kind religion but because of the suicide bombers it's seen as a killers religion.
Both creationists and suicide bombers do more harm to their religions than would a viper in their midst.


Just as Catholicism does not need enemies while it protects and harbours pedophile priests.

Also, 77% in the US are Christian, rendering your citations insignificant.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

Just like the British who say they are 'C of E' when asked, they do it because it's easier to just say that, in the US they have even more sinister reasons to tell lies.
Being an atheist in America can be seen in much the same way as it must have been for a person who was not a communist in Russia during the cold war, if they opened their mouth and spoke out they risked losing everything,
atheists living in the wrong place in America risk losing everything including their families if they speak out and say what they really think.

Let's see your citations for atheists that have lost everything "including their families" for speaking out. Do you have the forensic evidence to back this assertion up? If so, list the citation.

 

[Kylie]

You looked up the wrong subjects. Here is what I referred to, which was earlier in this thread.

Ah, fair enough. I thought that when you said that Pat hadn't provided any sources, it was sources for the "Why is atheism growing so fast in the US? each city has it's own atheist branch now with more being formed every week, it can't all be down to the noises made by the crazy far right Republicans." quote.

In any case, here are some sources for the claim that creationists drive people away from Christianity:

Creationists Drive Young People Out Of The Church[bless and do not curse]|[bless and do not curse]Karl Giberson, Ph.D

Creationism chases people out of church

https://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080622162531AAZFLUl

The tragedy of “creation evangelism” « The GeoChristian

Yes, we are protesting a young-earth creationism conference. Here’s why. | God of Evolution

The Absurd Newspeak of Woodmorappe's 'Creation Science'

Do you believe the ideas taught by Young Earth Creationists pulls some people away from their faith? | Debate.org

Creation Science Rebuttals, Answers in Genesis Daily Feature, Decontaminating the Church (Decontaminating Our Children)

Also, 77% in the US are Christian, rendering your citations insignificant.

My claim deals with the rate of change, not the overall percentage that are non-religious. The facts clearly state that non-religious people are increasing, as the sources I provided in my previous post illustrate.

In any case, the sources I posted show that there are 46 million people who answered none to the religion question in 2012. SOURCE They also show that almost 20% are skeptical towards religion. SOURCE Hardly what I'd call "insignificant."

On the other hand, my source indicates that only 65% of Americans claim that religion is important in their lives. SOURCE Since this not only includes Christians, but also Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and many other faiths, your claim that 77% of Americans are Christian seems to be incorrect.

 

[bhsmte]

Ah, fair enough. I thought that when you said that Pat hadn't provided any sources, it was sources for the "Why is atheism growing so fast in the US? each city has it's own atheist branch now with more being formed every week, it can't all be down to the noises made by the crazy far right Republicans." quote.

In any case, here are some sources for the claim that creationists drive people away from Christianity:

Creationists Drive Young People Out Of The Church[bless and do not curse]|[bless and do not curse]Karl Giberson, Ph.D

Creationism chases people out of church

https://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080622162531AAZFLUl

The tragedy of “creation evangelism” « The GeoChristian

Yes, we are protesting a young-earth creationism conference. Here’s why. | God of Evolution

The Absurd Newspeak of Woodmorappe's 'Creation Science'

Do you believe the ideas taught by Young Earth Creationists pulls some people away from their faith? | Debate.org

Creation Science Rebuttals, Answers in Genesis Daily Feature, Decontaminating the Church (Decontaminating Our Children)



My claim deals with the rate of change, not the overall percentage that are non-religious. The facts clearly state that non-religious people are increasing, as the sources I provided in my previous post illustrate.

In any case, the sources I posted show that there are 46 million people who answered none to the religion question in 2012. SOURCE They also show that almost 20% are skeptical towards religion. SOURCE Hardly what I'd call "insignificant."

On the other hand, my source indicates that only 65% of Americans claim that religion is important in their lives. SOURCE Since this not only includes Christians, but also Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and many other faiths, your claim that 77% of Americans are Christian seems to be incorrect.

In the United States, there is clearly social stigma is declaring yourself an atheist and there exists prejudice by many against atheists.

Study: Atheists distrusted as much as rapists – USATODAY.com

Furthermore, the number of actual Christians in the United States has always been highly overblown in my opinion, because of social pressure etc., many claim to be Christian, when in fact, they either have serious doubts, or just say they are out of habit.

I have posted many polls and data regarding the same and it looks like you have as well. Bottom line, Christianity is slowing declining in the United States and has been for decades. Other advanced nations, have moved quicker in regards to Christianity declining and the US is slowly catching up.

 

[AV1611VET]

Bottom line, Christianity is slowing declining in the United States and has been for decades. Other advanced nations, have moved quicker in regards to Christianity declining and the US is slowly catching up.

We call that "signs of the times."

Exciting, isn't it?

 

[bhsmte]

We call that "signs of the times."

Exciting, isn't it?

It is, what it is.