What did they teach you in school , flat or round earth?

RDKirk · Aug 24, 2025

Apple Sky said:
I know this but why would Elihu say this if it weren't true ?

David Lamb said:
Job's false friends said a lot of things that were not true, such as Job's sufferings being a result of a sinful life.

Herman Hedning said:
Maybe Job's friend really believed he was right even though he wasn't. You have yourself said lots of things that's not true in this and other threads. Same reason?

@Herman Hedning that was a classic example of "Moving the Goalpost."

Herman Hedning · Aug 24, 2025

RDKirk said:
@Herman Hedning that was a classic example of "Moving the Goalpost."

It was? How so?

David Lamb · Aug 25, 2025

Apple Sky said:
I don't, but I do believe there is a dome that seperates the waters from above from the waters below.

But just suppose for the moment that your idea of a solid dome preventing the earth's atmosphere escaping is true. Does that fit with observable facts? If the atmosphere was trying to escape, and was only prevented from doing so by a solid dome, we would expect there to be more atmosphere the nearer we got to the dome. But that is not what happens. The higher one goes from the earth, whether in a plane or by climbing a mountain, the less atmosphere there is.

Apple Sky · Aug 25, 2025

David Lamb said:
But just suppose for the moment that your idea of a solid dome preventing the earth's atmosphere escaping is true. Does that fit with observable facts? If the atmosphere was trying to escape, and was only prevented from doing so by a solid dome, we would expect there to be more atmosphere the nearer we got to the dome. But that is not what happens. The higher one goes from the earth, whether in a plane or by climbing a mountain, the less atmosphere there is.

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David Lamb · Aug 25, 2025

Apple Sky said:
HOW AIR PRESSURE CHANGES BELOW THE FIRMAMENT
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Exactly. Air pressure, and its density, both decrease the higher up one goes. Why, if air is trying to escape from earth, and is only prevented from doing so by a solid dome barrier?

Apple Sky · Aug 25, 2025

David Lamb said:
Exactly. Air pressure, and its density, both decrease the higher up one goes. Why, if air is trying to escape from earth, and is only prevented from doing so by a solid dome barrier?

What does air do if faced with a vacuum ?

Apple Sky · Aug 25, 2025

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David Lamb · Aug 25, 2025

Apple Sky said:
What does air do if faced with a vacuum ?

It depends on what else is around. Here on earth, if somebody opened a vacuum jar to the air, the air would rush in to fill it. But with regard to the earth, air has weight, which attracts it to the earth, and prevents it being "sucked away" into a vacuum. I must repeat that I am not a scientist, so I am sure that somebody with more scientific knowledge could put it much better.

Larniavc · Aug 25, 2025

Apple Sky said:
Yes like the Morley experiment which they aggressively refute, by saying the aether does not exists when in fact it certainly does.

Do you wake up each morning and roll on a chart to see which conspiracy theory you will bring to the forum?

I find it hard to believe someone get’s it so consistently wrong at every take it really makes me wonder about your motives here.

Apple Sky · Aug 25, 2025

David Lamb said:
It depends on what else is around. Here on earth, if somebody opened a vacuum jar to the air, the air would rush in to fill it. But with regard to the earth, air has weight, which attracts it to the earth, and prevents it being "sucked away" into a vacuum. I must repeat that I am not a scientist, so I am sure that somebody with more scientific knowledge could put it much better.

It would explode;

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David Lamb · Aug 25, 2025

Apple Sky said:
It would explode;

What Happens When You Crush A Vacuum Chamber With A Hydraulic Press While Under Vacuum?

you tube https://youtu.be/X7H3vzd1OQw?si=I564SJZOgEU2opxj

Sorry, in the previous posts, you made no mention of crushing a vacuum chamber with a hydraulic press. I thought we were discussing the necessity or otherwise of a solid dome to keep the atmosphere from escaping from the earth.

Apple Sky · Aug 25, 2025

David Lamb said:
Sorry, in the previous posts, you made no mention of crushing a vacuum chamber with a hydraulic press. I thought we were discussing the necessity or otherwise of a solid dome to keep the atmosphere from escaping from the earth.

We are, what would happen to air if confronted by a vacuum ?

David Lamb · Aug 25, 2025

Apple Sky said:
We are, what would happen to air if confronted by a vacuum ?

Well, I have already answered that. It would depend on the situation. Air has weight - I understand tat a cubic metre of air at sea level weighs 1.3 kilograms, and the total weight of the earth's atmosphere is 5 quadrillion tonnes. The air's weight keeps the air on the earth. Without that weight, it would "escape" into any vacuum. I still don't understand why you posted a link to details of an experiment using a hydraulic press.

Apple Sky · Aug 25, 2025

David Lamb said:
the necessity or otherwise of a solid dome

WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THEY DRILLED INTO AN ICE WALL IN THE 60s:

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David Lamb · Tuesday at 1:36 AM

Apple Sky said:
WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THEY DRILLED INTO AN ICE WALL IN THE 60s:
you tube https://youtu.be/Mz3-DRa2cDw?si=JRHL4t_j4pz-zDEh

Why do you keep changing the subject? First, you posted details of an experiment involving a hydraulic press, now you have moved on to a video showing a block of ice shattering when someone drilled a hole in it. What has ice shattering got to do with whether or not the atmosphere would escape from the earth unless held in by a solid dome?

JAM2b · Saturday at 3:47 PM

I attended school in the 80s and 90s, and we were taught that it was round, like a sphere, and we had globes in all our classrooms. We had to make a model of the solar system out of styrofoam balls, not foam or paper plates.

We were taught that Europeans used to believe it was flat before sailors where navigating the earth and making maps. We thought they were silly for thinking people would sail off the edge of the Earth if they got too close to the edge.

I was flabbergasted in my 20s when I learned some people still believed it was flat.

RDKirk · Saturday at 5:29 PM

JAM2b said:
We were taught that Europeans used to believe it was flat before sailors where navigating the earth and making maps. We thought they were silly for thinking people would sail off the edge of the Earth if they got too close to the edge.

That was the false part. Educated people, particularly those who did blue-water sailing, knew the world was spheroidal 300 years before Christ.

public hermit · Saturday at 5:37 PM

RDKirk said:
That was the false part. Educated people, particularly those who did blue-water sailing, knew the world was spheroidal 300 years before Christ.

Great, so we're saying "flat earther" is primarily an affliction of modern folk. That's somehow not surprising.

RDKirk · Saturday at 6:13 PM

public hermit said:
Great, so we're saying "flat earther" is primarily an affliction of modern folk. That's somehow not surprising.

I wasn't sure how or why schools began teaching that people thought the world was flat until 1492. So, I asked ChatGPT that myth got into American public schools:

You’re right: educated people in antiquity, the Middle Ages, and the Renaissance almost universally knew the Earth was a sphere. Eratosthenes even measured its circumference in the 3rd century BCE with impressive accuracy. The supposed "flat Earth" belief in Columbus’ time is a myth.

So, why was this myth taught in U.S. schools?

The short answer is: it was a 19th-century invention that became popular in American education.

1. The origins of the "flat Earth myth"

Washington Irving (1828) – In his A History of the Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus, Irving dramatized Columbus as a lonely genius battling ignorant churchmen who thought the Earth was flat. He exaggerated the opposition to Columbus to make a better story.

19th-century polemicists – During the conflict between science and religion (the “conflict thesis”), writers like John William Draper and Andrew Dickson White used the flat-Earth story to depict the Church as hostile to science. They presented Columbus as a hero of reason against medieval superstition, even though medieval scholars had long accepted the spherical Earth.

2. Why schools picked it up

Narrative simplicity – It was a very tidy story for children: “Once people thought the world was flat. Then came Columbus, who bravely proved it was round.” Simple, dramatic, and easy to remember.

Moral lesson – It reinforced the idea of progress: brave individuals overturning ignorance and tradition.

Anti-clerical bias – In Protestant-majority America, the myth dovetailed with a cultural narrative that the Catholic Church had been backward and opposed to science.

Textbook repetition – Once a textbook author included it, others copied it. By the late 19th and early 20th century, the "flat Earth Columbus" story was in most American schoolbooks.

3. The reality

Medieval scholars (including churchmen like Thomas Aquinas) assumed a spherical Earth.

Columbus’ real debate was over distances: he underestimated Earth’s size and thought Asia was much closer by sailing west. His critics actually had the better math, though luck (and America) saved him.

Galileo’s conflict with the Church was about heliocentrism, not Earth’s shape.

public hermit · Saturday at 6:23 PM

RDKirk said:
I wasn't sure how or why schools began teaching that people thought the world was flat until 1492. So, I asked ChatGPT that myth got into American public schools:

]Yeah, I asked a similar question related to your post, and it does appear that a flat earth was not the norm in antiquity or the middle ages.

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