WHAT IS 1 PETER 3:21 REALLY SATING TO US ??

ralliann said:

Why would this be an issue on a Christian forum?

It does not say only. In saying new, the first is made old.

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ralliann said:

Since the apostolic church is a royal priesthood, indeed fitting?

Baptism
Nu 8:6 Take the Levites from among the children of Israel, and cleanse them.

priesthood...
8 Then let them take a young bullock with his meat offering, even fine flour mingled with oil, and another young bullock shalt thou take for a sin offering.
9 And thou shalt bring the Levites before the tabernacle of the congregation: and thou shalt gather the whole assembly of the children of Israel together:
10 And thou shalt bring the Levites before the LORD: and the children of Israel shall put their hands upon the Levites:
11 And Aaron shall offer the Levites before the LORD for an offering of the children of Israel, that they may execute the service of the LORD.


Is 66:
19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.

20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.
21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

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ralliann said:

No, those outward fleshy commands Have been disannulled. We are to look forward to an eternal kingdom, heavenly, with heavenly bodies, sitting at the Table with our Father Abraham. That is in the resurrection from the dead. The blood of the new covenant (in Christ) is promised in covenant with our father Abraham, and our mother Sarah in the first place. That promise is not by the Sinai covenant.

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ralliann said:

The covenant of circumcision has not passed away, but was fulfilled, as according to the fleshy commands. There is a lot of theological views I have at this point about the covenants etc. Of course I will not bring them all up in this. You can see that for me, that is not a simple yes or no.
I will bring up one aspect as it essential here for me and my thoughts at this point.
Those under oath bound by it, those not under oath.....
God swearing an oath, makes promises immutable, establishing it, it is not added to or taken away from. That is why the law (Moses) cannot disannul the Abrahamic covenant promises of his oath gen 22
So for me, the answer concerns who is bound to what and in what way. Loosing also and what way..
Just as a priest Charges a woman with the curse of an oath, for jealousy, I believe that is what happend with the circumcision at HOREB.


Deu 29:10 ¶ Ye stand this day all of you before the LORD your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel,
11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that is in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water:
12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the LORD thy God, and into his oath, which the LORD thy God maketh with thee this day:
This is why.....
Ga 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

The Children of Israel were charged with an oath....

The blood of the covenant in Christ .
Binding, loosing
Nu 30:2 If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.
Nu 30:3 If a woman also vow a vow unto the LORD, and bind herself by a bond, being in her father’s house in her youth;
5 But if her father disallow her in the day that he heareth; not any of her vows, or of her bonds wherewith she hath bound her soul, shall stand: and the LORD shall forgive her, because her father disallowed her.
6 And if she had at all an husband, when she vowed, or uttered ought out of her lips, wherewith she bound her soul;
7 And her husband heard it, and held his peace at her in the day that he heard it: then her vows shall stand, and her bonds wherewith she bound her soul shall stand.
8 But if her husband disallowed her on the day that he heard it; then he shall make her vow which she vowed, and that which she uttered with her lips, wherewith she bound her soul, of none effect: and the LORD shall forgive her.
9 But every vow of a widow, and of her that is divorced, wherewith they have bound their souls, shall stand against her.

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keepitsimple144 said:

Who has come according to the power of an endless life. Heb 7:16

“As for Me,” says the Lord, “this is My covenant with them: My Spirit who is upon you, and My words which I have put in your mouth, shall not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, from this time and forevermore.” Isa 59:21

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keepitsimple144 said:

The promises to Abraham and to his seed does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your Seed,”meaning one, who is Christ. Gal 3:16
And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal 3:29

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Clare73 said:

Scripture does not contradict itself and where it appears to do so, it is not being understood correctly, and should be interpreted in agreement with all Scripture. To wit:

The text of 1 Pe 3:20-21 reads: ". . .the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, an ark being prepared in which a few, this is eight souls, were quite saved through water. Which figure also now saves us, that is baptism, not a putting away of the filth of the flesh, but an answer of a good conscience toward God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

When you consider the grammatical construction of Peter's context above in Noah and the ark,
baptism is a figure/symbol of the water/flood which saved eight people in the ark, where
the flood is a figure of baptism and baptism is a figure of salvation, in that in both instances (baptism, flood)

the water that spoke of judgment (in the flood--the death of the wicked; in baptism--the death of Christ and the believer, Ro 6:2-4)
is the water that saves.

The flood symbolized baptism which symbolizes Christ's death (judgment) and resurrection which saves.

"Also now saves us," in the context of the rest of the NT, means saved by what baptism symbolizes--Christ's death and resurrection (Ro 6:2-4).
This using of the symbol to refer to the reality is, as I understand it, what the Catholic church calls "sacramental union."

"answer of a good conscience toward God" is a commitment on the part of the believer in all good conscience to make sure that what baptism symbolizes in Ro 6:2-4 will become a reality in his life; i.e., that as Christ died for sin, so the believer will die to sin.

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Clare73 said:

The Greek words:
baptisma (n.) = the ordinance of immersion, submersion, emergence (from bapto, to dip); performed by John and commanded by Jesus
baptismos (n.)= general sense (Heb 6:2); ceremonial washing of articles (Heb 9:10)
baptistes (n.) = a baptist, used only of John
baptizo (v.) = in the NT, the washing of oneself (Lk 11:38); the rite performed by John the Baptist (Ac 1:5, 11:16, 19:4, etc.); the rite commanded by Jesus (Mt 28:19, Ac 19:5, Ro 6:3-4, 1 Co 1:13-17, 12:13, Gal 3:27, Col 2:12).

There is no word "baptism" in the Greek, rather the word "baptism" is the English word for the Greek word baptisma."

The "filth of the flesh" there means the physical dirt of the body, not the sinful nature or sin.
"Baptism does not remove dirt from the body, rather it is the pledge of a good conscience toward God;" i.e., a commitment in all good conscience to make sure that what baptism symbolizes (salvation in our identification with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection) will become a reality in one's life.

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