WHAT IS 1 PETER 3:21 REALLY SATING TO US ??

[ralliann]

If you you turn to Gen 6:6-7 you will see what Christ REPENT of !!

dan p

It was to fufill all righteousness.

Once a covenant is established with an oath he will not repent of it. It will be done. No adding or subtracting.

Heb 6:17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

 

[Dan Perez]

It was to fufill all righteousness.

Once a covenant is established with an oath he will not repent of it. It will be done. No adding or subtracting.

Heb 6:17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

I see you are quoting Matt 3:15 so what does , FULFIL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS then mean ??

I believe that you are a LONG WAY as to what it means ?

But I admire your TENACITY !!

dan p

 

[ralliann]

I see you are quoting Matt 3:15 so hat does , FULFIL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS then mean ??

I believe that you are a LONG WAY as to what it means ?

But I admire your TENACITY !!

dan p

To fulfill the work only he could do, which no man had done, in promise to our father Abraham. God is faithful.
1 Chron 16: 14 He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth.
15 Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;
16 Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac;
17 And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,

Ps 105:6 O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.
7 He is the LORD our God: his judgments are in all the earth.
8 ¶ He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

A covenant of mercy
De 4:31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

De 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
De 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:

 

[Dan Perez]

To fulfill the work only he could do, which no man had done, in promise to our father Abraham. God is faithful.
1 Chron 16: 14 He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth.
15 Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;
16 Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac;
17 And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,

Ps 105:6 O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.
7 He is the LORD our God: his judgments are in all the earth.
8 ¶ He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

A covenant of mercy
De 4:31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

De 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
De 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:

To fulfill the work only he could do, which no man had done, in promise to our father Abraham. God is faithful.
1 Chron 16: 14 He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth.
15 Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;
16 Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac;
17 And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,

Ps 105:6 O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.
7 He is the LORD our God: his judgments are in all the earth.
8 ¶ He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

A covenant of mercy
De 4:31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

De 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
De 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:

# 1 All priest in Israel had to WASH hands and feet BEFORE they could minister to God .

# 2 The Greek word BAPTISM is NOT in the Greek text . period !!

# 3 It is the Greek word BAPTISMA and the Greek word is speaking about the HOLY SPIRIT , PERIOD .

# 4 And in that verse 21 , it says that says NOT // is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , meaning that BAPTISM is not the PUTTING AWAY of the FILTH of the FLESH , and that means that WATER BAPTISM does not save , Period .

dan p

 

[ralliann]

# 1 All priest in Israel had to WASH hands and feet BEFORE they could minister to God .

# 2 The Greek word BAPTISM is NOT in the Greek text . period !!

# 3 It is b the Greek word BAPTISMA and the Greek ord is speaking about the HOLY SPIRIT , PERIOD .

# 4 And in that verse 21 , it says that says NOT // is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , meaning that BAPTISM is not the PUTTING AWAY of the FILTH of the FLESH , and that means that ATER BAPTISM does not save , Period .

dan p

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap:
3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.

 

[Dan Perez]

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap:
3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.

I could reply , but to me you are changing the OP subject !!

WILL you please stay on subject , as I do not see where Mal 3:1 means to the OP ?

dan p

 

[ralliann]

I could reply , but to me you are changing the OP subject !!

WILL you please stay on subject , as I do not see where Mal 3:1 means to the OP ?

dan p

I already did that. John's baptism was for repentance and confession of Sin to escape God's wrath coming upon Israel.........
But you kept going into baptism after the new covenant...
Blessings to you

 

[Dan Perez]

I already did that. John's baptism was for repentance and confession of Sin to escape God's wrath coming upon Israel.........
But you kept going into baptism after the new covenant...
Blessings to you

Be glad to speak about the NEW COVENANT if that is your desire ?

dan p

 

[ralliann]

Be glad to speak about the NEW COVENANT if that is your desire ?

dan p

I already did that as well because of your further questioning. But, it is leading off of where you want to go with Baptism. So, go ahead and bring your points

 

[Dan Perez]

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap:
3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.

And just where did share JUST the New Covenant means , like "

# ! Who was the New Covenant given too ??

# 2 to Israel ?

# 3 Or given to Jews and Gentiles ?

# 3 Or given to the BODY of Christ ?

#v 4 Or given to GENTILES only ?

dan p

 

[ralliann]

And just where did share JUST the New Covenant means , like "

# ! Who was the New Covenant given too ??

# 2 to Israel ?

# 3 Or given to Jews and Gentiles ?

# 3 Or given to the BODY of Christ ?

#v 4 Or given to GENTILES only ?

dan p

The new covenant was both for Isreal, and for Gentiles
Israel first, wrath was coming on that nation by the law. John's baptism concerned that. Wrath, and the curse was coming to pass by the law. Therefore Jew first.
Gentiles were being brought into the covenant, as well, in promise To Abraham, just like Jews had been. Jew's were saved from the curse in Christ, and Gentiles were saved as well by bringing them into the same promise. The covenant made in Genesis 17 concerns all nations. The carnal command is disannulled in Christ. Genealogy as well as circumcision, foods etc. The fleshly elements no longer separate anyone anymore. Whether royalty, priesthood, or being heirs.
That same disannulling of fleshly commands is what made Priesthood apart from genealogy, royalty as well. It also became the same for all men. To Abraham. and all his seed promised to him.
To put it another way, if the fleshy commands apply, then any application of priesthood is nullified for Messianic Jew's. However if the fleshly commands are nullified in Christ, they apply to none including non Jew's.

 

[rturner76]

Baptism had or has the same significance that it did or does wash away the old so to speak. It's the physical manifestation of your repentance. Wash away the old and start the new. Without that, we come to God filthy with sin. Wash it away and take his hand.

 

[ralliann]

Baptism had or has the same significance that it did or does wash away the old so to speak. It's the physical manifestation of your repentance. Wash away the old and start the new. Without that, we come to God filthy with sin. Wash it away and take his hand.

John's baptism is distinct from Christs baptism. For those under the law to escape the wrath which by the law. That wrath was coming upon them THEN, at that time (each in bis own time). According to the law...means as the law says....The law says Jew's first, then when they accept of their punishment of his wrath, He will again remember The Abrahamic covenant. He will then judge the nations according to how they TREATED ISRAEL.
The law divides things by FLESHY, WORDLY ELEMENTS, the new covenant disannuls those for Jew and Gentile, as it applies the spiritual Which the law of Moses cannot judge. We are all already dead, and no longer lives as fleshy.......

 

[rturner76]

John's baptism is distinct from Christs baptism. For those under the law to escape the wrath which by the law. That wrath was coming upon them THEN, at that time (each in bis own time). According to the law...means as the law says....The law says Jew's first, then when they accept of their punishment of his wrath, He will again remember The Abrahamic covenant. He will then judge the nations according to how they TREATED ISRAEL.
The law divides things by FLESHY, WORDLY ELEMENTS, the new covenant disannuls those for Jew and Gentile, as it applies the spiritual Which the law of Moses cannot judge. We are all already dead, and no longer lives as fleshy.......

But isn't it to have a spiritual connection with God, one repents of their sins (which are washed away by the water which is god's grace, then we look to the spiritual. connection with God and live for him. Getting baptized isn't where the work stops, it's where it starts.

 

[Dan Perez]

The new covenant was both for Isreal, and for Gentiles
Israel first, wrath was coming on that nation by the law. John's baptism concerned that. Wrath, and the curse was coming to pass by the law. Therefore Jew first.
Gentiles were being brought into the covenant, as well, in promise To Abraham, just like Jews had been. Jew's were saved from the curse in Christ, and Gentiles were saved as well by bringing them into the same promise. The covenant made in Genesis 17 concerns all nations. The carnal command is disannulled in Christ. Genealogy as well as circumcision, foods etc. The fleshly elements no longer separate anyone anymore. Whether royalty, priesthood, or being heirs.
That same disannulling of fleshly commands is what made Priesthood apart from genealogy, royalty as well. It also became the same for all men. To Abraham. and all his seed promised to him.
To put it another way, if the fleshy commands apply, then any application of priesthood is nullified for Messianic Jew's. However if the fleshly commands are nullified in Christ, they apply to none including non Jew's.

And were does it say that the NEW COVENANT is to Israel , which I believe !!

But do you have a verse showing it is also for Gentiles ?

dan p

 

[ralliann]

And were does it say that the NEW COVENANT is to Israel , which I believe !!

But do you have a verse showing it is also for Gentiles ?

dan p

This is not replacement theology, it is COVENANT THEOLOGY.
It is About Abraham and what was Promised to HIM...........Where Israel after the flesh recieves as well as Israel apart from the flesh receives.

Rom 9:6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

We who are in Christ all are SEED of promise, not just Children of the flesh only
Ga 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Ga 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Ga 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Heb 13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

Ge 17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Ge 17:16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.

The oath made all the promises to Abraham immutable in offering Isaac.....
16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:


Genesis 22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

This seed is Christ Jesus. This covenant is the source of the new covenant blood in Christ....
If according to the Flesh, You have no priesthood, no priest but those which are by genealogy of Levi......You nullify your own priesthood in Christ, by denying his children of the nations by circumcision of the heart.

 

[Dan Perez]

Rom 9:6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

We who are in Christ all are SEED of promise, not just Children of the flesh only
Ga 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Ga 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Ga 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Heb 13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

Ge 17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Ge 17:16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.

The oath made all the promises to Abraham immutable in offering Isaac.....
16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:


Genesis 22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

This seed is Christ Jesus. This covenant is the source of the new covenant blood in Christ....
If according to the Flesh, You have no priesthood, no priest but those which are by genealogy of Levi......You nullify your own priesthood in Christ, by denying his children of the nations by circumcision of the heart.

And do say , that the New Covenant and the DISPENSATION are being preached at the same TIME ?

Or do you believe we in the New Covenant Now ?

Or are we in the DISPENATION of the Grace NOW??

dan p

 

[ralliann]

And do say , that that the New Covenant and the DISPENSATION are being preached at the same TIME ?

Each in their own time, each for their own purpose

Or do you believe we in the New Covenant Now ?

Of course we are. The covenant is being fulfilled until all the Promises made To Abraham are finished.

Or are we in the DISPENATION of the Grace NOW??

dan p

1. Grace has been by faith from the beginning, the law of faith.

Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

Abraham will be dead.......with his fathers....Who are his fathers.

15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

This covenant speaks concerning the fourth generation of his seed.......Abe, Isaac, Jacob, the 12 patriarchs will be dead......
16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Abraham right here knew he would inherit in the resurrection from the dead.......
The law of faith, Abraham's fathers he laid with in death...

4 ¶ By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Genesis 17 they are all alive....to receive these promises themselves

Mt 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
It is a promise to ALL in Christ Jesus.....

 

[Dan Perez]

Each in their own time, each for their own purpose

Of course we are. The covenant is being fulfilled until all the Promises made To Abraham are finished.

1. Grace has been by faith from the beginning, the law of faith.

Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

Abraham will be dead.......with his fathers....Who are his fathers.

15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

This covenant speaks concerning the fourth generation of his seed.......Abe, Isaac, Jacob, the 12 patriarchs will be dead......
16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Abraham right here knew he would inherit in the resurrection from the dead.......
The law of faith, Abraham's fathers he laid with in death...

4 ¶ By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Genesis 17 they are all alive....to receive these promises themselves

Mt 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
It is a promise to ALL in Christ Jesus.....

And Heb 8:8 says that the Lord will make a NEW COVENANT with the HOUSE of Israel and with the House of Judah !!

Where and when does ever say for the Gentiles ??

dan p

 

[ralliann]

And Heb 8:8 says that the Lord will make a NEW COVENANT with the HOUSE of Israel and with the House of Judah !!

Where and when does ever say for the Gentiles ??

dan p

Yes it does. Judah and Israel are distinct there yes?
I already gave you verses for the Nations.