Trump, Biden win New Hampshire. Exit poll finds 27% Of Nikki Haley’s Voters Are Republicans

Valletta said:

I don't know much about New Hampshire. I do know that the corrupt Bush administration people lobbied to put an establishment guy in there--Sununu. A Mitch McConnell kind of establishment guy.

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He’s not a Mitch McConnell… He’s selectively pro choice, selectively pro gay marriage, and he did veto a “parental rights” bill of mandatory pronoun/sexual orientation disclosure of students to parents. McConnell would never and, frankly, neither would most NH people.

But he flip-flops on if he’s a Trump sycophant or a never Trump, and, as I said, not consistent on his stances for choice, LGBTQA+ rights, etc.

wing2000 said:

...CNN exit poll. The question was, "Do you think Biden legitimately won in 2020?"

AMONG TRUMP VOTERS
Yes: 17%
No: 80%

AMONG HALEY VOTERS
Yes: 83%
No: 15%

80% of Republican NH primary voters believe the Big Lie.

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In a little bit of fairness, "legitimately" is vague. If we're talking about someone believing the false claims Trump and others made about a bunch of fake Biden ballots and such that made Biden win the election, those claims are appear quite false. A good if lengthy writeup, by someone who dislikes both Trump and Biden for the record, is here:

However, if we're talking about questions like whether the media was favoring Biden unfairly, or whether some judges might have given incorrect rulings prior to the election allowing for voting that the law didn't actually allow, those are more debatable, and I could see someone asserting those as making it so Biden didn't "legitimately win".

Granted, I might be giving too much credit to people who said "no" to the question. Most probably bought into the debunked fraud claims. But I do expect at least some of them were saying "no" on the basis of the more reasonable things I mentioned rather than the false claims like there being enough fake ballots to flip the election.

JSRG said:

In a little bit of fairness, "legitimately" is vague. If we're talking about someone believing the false claims Trump and others made about a bunch of fake Biden ballots and such that made Biden win the election, those claims are appear quite false (a good if lengthy writeup is here, and by someone who dislikes both Trump and Biden for the record).

However, if we're talking about questions like whether the media was favoring Biden unfairly, or whether some judges might have given incorrect rulings prior to the election allowing for voting that the law didn't actually allow, those are more debatable, and I could see someone asserting those as making it so Biden didn't "legitimately win".

Granted, I might be giving too much credit to people who said "no" to the question. Most probably bought into the debunked fraud claims. But I do expect at least some of them were saying "no" on the basis of the more reasonable things I mentioned rather than the false claims like there being enough fake ballots to flip the election.

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You’re giving too much credit. Every Trumper I’ve ever met here will tell you Biden stole the election. Ride though towns in Sullivan or Grafton County, signs for Trump are almost universally paired with “stop the steal” signs, even now.

Remember it was the dude in the town hall who said “12 years of Trump!” That was NH.

The stop the steal thing REALLY latched on here. I can only assume because so, so, so many places in NH still do paper ballots and count by hand, where they literally know ballot counters by name, so the idea of “computers = bad” or “I can see ol’ Ethel would be the type to stuff the ballots for Crazy Joe” seems more plausible to people than the reality that it didn’t happen.

Valletta said:

I did. It was expected that many would cross over from the Democrats or independents who lean left. The Boston Globe encouraged this. That's why I think Trump spent time campaigning, which once you get the issues of foreign affairs, the economy, and the border out there I figured he would win.

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Who was it expected by? Which poll predicted a Haley victory?

Valletta said:

There was a lot of dishonesty and the part of election officials in Georgia.

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Your evidence for that? And why would Trump-supporting Republican election officials (pretty much all of the state elections officials) participate in dishonesty?

Valletta said:

They should have been focused upon holding people accountable, the same for states where laws were clearly broken.

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As you've been asked at least three times, exactly what state laws were broken?

Valletta said:

Believe you me I've dealt with many dishonest officials and when nothing happens to them they just become emboldened. So much came out long after the election, so the focus is to make sure the elections are fair and proper in the future, voter ID, etc. Not to forget stopping government entities participating in election interference.

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And, again, talking about Georgia, they had voter ID and, on top of that, they've made their voting laws even more strict. They've chased down pretty much every claim (or tried to) to include those by the 2,000 mules video (which apparently still hasn't sent their information to Georgia election officials).

Valletta said:

It was interesting, 24% of voters in N.H. said they were very conservative as compared with Iowa where it was 52%. To me that does not bode well for Nikki, in my opinion most people just see Trump doing better on the major issues, I suppose because he was successful with the border, the economy, and foreign policy. She's much more of an unknown.

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Valletta said:

That doesn't tell us how many. Over and over people were inundated with the message that it was the most safe and secure election ever! And many Biden followers still believe it, many don't even know that election laws were broken. The power of the media.

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I take it you believed Trump when he said Dominion voting changed millions of votes.

I assume you are saying you did believe Trump when he said Dominion switch ed millions of votes do you still believe him?

Valletta said:

Executive branch agencies put out false information, colluding with social media, to protect and promote Joe Biden.

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Yes, you've mentioned before you you believe Trump (the Executive Branch) helped Biden win the election. And the posts that the Biden campaign was trying to get removed from social media were the inappropriate contentographic ones of his son, which tend to be illegal to reproduced online (revenge inappropriate content laws).

Of course, you'll probably point out the letter by "intelligence analysts" but the letter wasn't put out by people in an "executive agency"; rather they were former government workers who were working in the private sector. They gave their opinion, which though you might disagree with it, was not illegal in any way.

Valletta said:

While courts have ruled about states violating election laws, in Georgia there was no such ruling. As to Georgia, election officials lied as to their explanation as to why the counting paused--they lied multiple times.

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Except that counting didn't actually paused. Instead, election workers believed they were going home in one county (which is why many observers went home). A call came from the state election office telling them they were not allowed to go home, that they needed to keep counting, at which point counting resumed.

Valletta said:

And they lied about there always being an observer present.

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I'd love to see your evidence for this. I assume you have something more than Giuliani's highly edited video, which he has admitted in a sworn statement was done for him to promote lies about the election and how it was stolen.

Valletta said:

What I observed in Georgia was dishonesty. And usually where there's smoke there's fire.

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Except three years later there is no actual evidence of fire. What's more, many of the claims of "smoke," such as Giuliani's (not to mention Lindell's about the voting machines) were proven to be false.

Valletta said:

So a lot of people have no problem with Trump when Trump says the election was "rigged," they see that as a within reason characterization. It's not like the Biden administration claiming the border is safe, closed, and secure. I am concerned there are too many people in denial about election wrongdoing, and for the good of the country the elections system needs to be fixed to a point where it is beyond reproach. I'd start in Detroit.

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I'm still waiting for you to produce any evidence. So far, all I've really seen from you is claims about counting "stopping" and bad explanations -- though, again, counting wasn't actually stopped -- and that "affidavits" of things were sworn and your claim that people wouldn't lie about what they saw because they did it under "penalty of perjury." Of course, I've shown you video, in court, where Trump lawyers talked about how many of the affidavits they received were clearly false -- so the "penalty of perjury" really wasn't much of a deterrent. Additionally, back when these were being heard in court, I actually showed you the ruling from a judge, in Detroit, where he went through many of these affidavits and explained many merely showed that, rather than showing fraud, they merely confirmed that election officials were doing things correctly (those submitting the affidavits didn't understand the process) and many were downright false (such as a "boxes of votes" being brought in was actually just a cameraman from a local news station bringing his equipment in for a live shot for the late news). The judge found none that even hinted at any actual wrongdoing, much less fraud.

Sometimes the "smoke" is just arsonists trying to burn down the system based on false claims. Oh, and since you specifically mentioned Detroit -- it is another of the cities that Trump did better (in terms of percentage of vote received) in 2020 than he did in 2016. So I guess the cheating in Detroit was to help Trump win, since Biden did "poorly" versus Hillary in 2016?

Valletta said:

There was a lot of dishonesty and the part of election officials in Georgia.

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Where might we find evidence of this?

Valletta said:

Votes were coming in steadily, it looked like Trump was going to win,

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I was told we should have expected a red mirage because Trump discouraged mail in voting and people that mail in votes late get counted later than in person

Valletta said:

If you want a play by play you could go back and review the election night coverage. I jumped channels, CNN and MSNBC were a couple of those I watched. Votes were coming in steadily, it looked like Trump was going to win, and suddenly the counts stopped coming in from a number of swing states. The big question in my mind was why the pause? They reported a water leak in Georgia had caused the delay. But the specifics changed. One story was a water main break in the ceiling. Another was a leaky pipe. Another a leaky toilet. Then eventually, I don't recall how many days later, they claimed there was no pause! It went from four hours to two hours to no delay! The last story I know of was there was a minor leak from a urinal that caused no delay. Republican observers had been told that the counting had stopped and they could go home. The next false story put out was that there was always an observer present. The famous recording of the room, with no observer, showed that too was a lie. If you want a snapshot of where the changing stories were on November 5, 2020 you can read the story below from the anti-Trump Atlanta Constitution.
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Fulton County Elections head Richard Barron said Wednesday that the pipe dumped a lot of water, soaking the carpeting and hampering work.
“It looked really like there was rain coming out of the ceiling and the entire carpeting was just covered in water,” he said. “There was no way to go in there and perform work.”
At first, the county elections staff reported it was a four-hour delay but then corrected themselves by saying it caused a two-hour delay.

Trump’s claims about Georgia lacked facts, context

President Donald Trump made a number of unsubstantiated claims about the integrity of elections in Georgia and Fulton County during a White House speech Thursday night.

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A personal memoir and an article that says President Trump didn’t have any “evidence” (either) is your “evidence”?

Valletta said:

New Hampshire was viewed as a must-win for the Haley campaign after the former South Carolina governor spent more than $31,000,000 in the Granite State. She also devoted significant time and effort to rallies in the state.
Despite significant effort and help from Democrat voters, the race was called for former President Trump less than a half hour after polls closed.

NEW HAMPSHIRE: Just 27% Of Nikki Haley's Voters Are Actually Republicans, Exit Poll Finds

A CNN exit poll found that just 27 percent of Nikki Haley's New Hampshire Republican primary voters are actually Republicans.

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I think Nikki will stay in through the next primary, her home state of South Carolina.

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or even Super Tuesday.

Trump can't possibly win with only say 70% of total Republicans supporting him.

RDKirk said:

I did not hear anyone predict Haley would win in New Hampshire, only that she'd show a bit better than Iowa.

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Agreed.

However, all the analysis for months has said, barring a criminal conviction, Trump would win if he won Iowa and NH. No state is a better state for Haley than NH. Haley is staying in to continue to show that Trump has the vote of maybe only 70% or so of primary voters. The more she stays in, the less likely it is that trump wins in the fall. Many of her voters will vote for Biden; many more will stay home.

The real question will be in November. Will the MAGA vote be great enough to elect Trump, or not?
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mark46 said:

The real question will be in November. Will the MAGA vote be great enough to elect Trump, or not?
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Doesn't seem likely. After all, let's not forget, Trump has never won the popular vote. He managed to secure enough electoral votes in 2016, but more people voted for Hilary than for Trump.

-- A2SG, and the fact that he won in some swing states could be attributed more to Anti-Hilary votes than Pro-Trump...he won't get that this time around...