It is literally impossible for overall case counts to decrease over time, so the simple fact that the disease has spread to at least 1 more person isn't really useful.
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hi each does is increasing the risk of adverse reaction to the toxins that are in the vaccines. No one has studied or knows the long term risks of these products but many good scientist are warning against them. The choice is trust your own system to deal with whatever variation of covid comes along and just deal with it best you can. Or get vaccinated which does not prevent you from getting covid but perhaps may lower your risk of getting it and then risking whatever short and long term side effects of the vaccine come along. Many scientist say since this covid is found in animals it will continue to evolve into new strains and never go away. So this is a perpetual shot coming if you want to try to fight it with vaccines. Now this all is divisive and pits the haves and have nots against each other.
Ask your self big questions and study Bible prophecy and the global reset. Form your opinions based on the evidence and look into the narrative that is being suppressed. Are we in the days just before the tribulation? what would you expect to see in those days if we are?
Ask your self big questions and study Bible prophecy and the global reset. Form your opinions based on the evidence and look into the narrative that is being suppressed. Are we in the days just before the tribulation? what would you expect to see in those days if we are?
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By your logic, someone with cancer who gets another round of chemotherapy means that the chemotherapy didn't work because they needed another round.
Is this what you really think? You think that something that does not work 100% effectively must have ZERO effectiveness? Seriously?
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Know they wouldn't work at what?
There are people, whose whole lives have been dedicated to tracking patterns and statistics, and monitoring the real-time data over the past two years.
The things we do know...
The vaccine was extremely effective against both serious outcomes, and transmission, against the original strain and Alpha.
The vaccine was still effective against serious outcomes, but less effective at preventing transmission, with Delta.
Beta and Mu showed mutations that indicated potential immune escape, but ended up being "non-competitive" against Delta so largely ended up being a "non-issue"
Titers scores start to drop between 4-8 months against the spike protein (however, that only pertains to antibodies...which are like the front-line troops against the virus, B-cell immunity - which is tougher to test for - could still very well be intact...but isn't as "swift" when it comes to fending off the virus if exposed)
Omicron appears to be mild for the overwhelming majority of people who contract it, and smaller studies using samples from people who've had a 3rd dose suggest that 3 doses seems to do a pretty good job of neutralizing it, as to where samples from 2-dose recipients seems to be less so.
It depends, how long are people going to keep trying to resist any and all mitigation and prevention measures?
That'd be like asking "how many more mitigation measures will we need to end the problem of sexually transmitted diseases so it's no longer a thing", that all depends on A) the willingness of people engaging in risky behavior to change their behavior, and B) how fast science can come up with medicinal solutions to the problem.
There is no option that includes both "I don't want to change my behavior" and "I don't want to embrace any medicinal solutions"
Same could be said of heart disease. If a person is developing heart disease from eating lousy food and being sedintary...their choices are A) change your diet and start exercising, or B) take blood pressure and cholesterol lowering medication. That's it... There's no "Option C" in which that person can continue to eat 4 eggs and 8 slices of bacon for breakfast, a bacon cheeseburger for lunch, and pizza for dinner and watch TV all day, and refuse to to take any of the approved medicines, and expect to solve their problem.
That's your choices with Covid.
Everyone on the planet stays home for 4-6 weeks and zero contact with anyone
Or, decide to live with it and accept it as another endemic disease, and use the appropriate pharmaceutical interventions in order to make it more manageable.
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lol, I love when they bring up the "toxins" aspect.
In almost every instance (without fail) any "toxin" they bring up, is undoubtedly going to be something that's a common food additive in something they've likely eaten in the last month.
I had this conversation with my cousin a few months back (who's actually one of the left-wing anti-vaxxers) last month...the sort of hippy'ish "if it's not from mother nature, it's not good" types...
She's one of the types that will post "scare links" about the "sodium chloride content in the vaccines", 10 minutes after she just posted something about how "Himalayan pink salt is awesome because blah blah blah"
I replied to her (with snarky screenshots of her previous posts)
Pink Himalayan salt is chemically similar to table salt. It contains up to 98 percent sodium chloride.
...she unfriended me for the 3rd time in 12 months (but she always "friends" me again when she needs money or wants me to give her a reference for a job interview...so I'm sure the friend request will be showing up in a month or so lol)
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Doctors used to recommend remedies closest to nature to solve medical issues. Now it's vaccine this and vaccine that, as if there is no other possible way. Most other diseases, including cancer, have multiple treatment and prevention options. But when it comes to covid, it's practically taboo to even mention such things.
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Natural immunity is a factor, if you've read any of my previous posts/threads on the subject, you'll see that I've given plenty of credit to natural immunity (for those who actually have it and can prove it). I'm the same person who's gone hard against the "vaccine or nothing" crowd, and who suggested that the NYC private business vaccine requirement was a gross overreach and unnecessary.
If a person can produce an antibody test showing they have a titers score > 500 for nucleocapsid and spike proteins, I'm fully willing to consider them on the same level as someone who's vaccinated.
The problem is, we don't have nearly enough previous natural infections to stave off the bad outcomes at the moment (as evidenced by increasing hospitalization rates in the US at the moment).
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The even bigger problem that most don't want to admit is that even if someone can produce their papers showing that they are double vaxxed and boosted, it doesn't mean that they aren't carrying and spreading Covid. Isn't that what actually matters?
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Do elaborate on that...
Because my dad tried to go to one of those naturopathic doctors for his cancer (because he didn't like his oncologist telling him that chemo was his best option), and so he proceeded to drain his (and my mom's) bank account trying nonsensical herbal and homeopathic remedies, meanwhile, his very treatable stage II melanoma was turning into stage IV melanoma (spreading to his brain, kidneys, lungs, and liver)
had he just gotten the spot cut out (along with the nearest lymph nodes), and done he low-dose preventative chemo cycle, he's probably still be with us instead of dying in April.
With regards to diseases, if someone wants to try naturopathic/homeopathic/chiropractic/herbal/acupuncture/magnet therapy/reflexology/etc for something non life threatening like seasonal allergies or a viral sinus infection, by all means, waste your money, don't let me stop you, it'll be a good learning experience. For something serious, trust actual doctors.
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Some things work for some people. For example, my Dad has had high cholesterol and high blood pressure, along with other things. Of course, the doctor started putting him on a bunch of different drugs to treat those things, and then some more drugs to counteract the side effects of the first drugs. What he ended up doing is losing about 15 Lbs. of weight, and his cholesterol and other numbers improved enough to not need the drugs.
I have a similar story for myself. In 2015 and 2019, I got blood tested for cholesterol and related things, and my numbers were going up. Since 2019, I started including a Garlic clove in a health drink that I use each day because I heard that Garlic can treat many of the things my results were showing as abnormal. In 2021, my test results were greatly improved. No drugs needed.
If I were to post this on Twitter or FB, my post would be flagged, or my account might even be suspended for dispensing medical advice without a medical license.
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People who are vaccinated aren't guaranteed 100% protection, but they're less likely to contract the virus, and when they do contract it, clear the virus faster, meaning they're less likely to spread it.
it's not an all or nothing scenario here.
The fact that vaccinated people "can" contract and spread the virus doesn't mean that vaccinated people are "as likely to".
A sober person "can" drive unsafely and cause a fatal accident, it doesn't mean a sober person is "as likely to" as a person who drank 5 beers before driving.
The fact that both groups "can" drive unsafely, isn't evidence that drunk driving restrictions are "a hoax" or a "waste of time"
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For cholesterol issues or slow progressing chronic issues, by all means, try alternative therapies if you want...very few (if any) people die from high cholesterol (or have it get past "the point of no return") after a month or two of it being detected...still gives you plenty of time to do a "mulligan" if you find out what you're trying isn't working.
It's not the same for more serious diseases (things where the time of diagnosis to death (or point of no return) is less than a month or two)
Furthermore, your suggestion of including garlic for lowing cardiovascular disease risk isn't all that "anti-mainstream".
In just a quick 2 minute search on the NIH study repository (the same organization promoting vaccination), I found this:
[22] A number of human studies have shown that raw garlic favorably affects important risk factors for CVD. Consumption has been shown to decrease total and LDL-C and triglyceride levels. An intake of the half to one clove of garlic per day lowers cholesterol levels approximately 10%
So, your suggestion of "include more garlic to address cholesterol issues" isn't the same as saying "use ivermectin for covid" or "covid vaccines don't work"
In your first sentence, you said "some things work for some people", based on all available data we have, we know that the vaccine works for most people with regards to mitigating the worse effects of covid.
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Ok, and if Ivermectin was tried and used by doctors on patients who wanted to go that route, and they recovered well, what should we say about that, other than, "Oh, that's just anecdotal!". Isn't it worth it for people to try it if they wish? Shouldn't they have that option? And shouldn't doctors have the freedom to offer it to those who wish to use it?
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that's what they say but the hourly fear mongering updates continue. I've also heard they are implementing new restrictions in the UK, among other places on the back of the Omicron spread.
They're also now saying that Omicron is "blunting" the effects of the vaccine.
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Wait, I thought the argument was for natural preventative measure as opposed to vaccines. How did the goalposts move to a very much non-natural treatment for people who manged to not prevent getting the disease?
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