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You seem to confuse the fact that God said the new covenant would not like the one made at Sinai. So God's laws for Christians are whatever He commands through the gospel we can read what His commands "are", not "was" under Moses.
If we follow God's Word we know the laws in His New Covenant. God did not say I will write new laws in our hearts, He said My laws:

I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” Hebrews 10:16 this of course would include God's Ten Commandments that He personally wrote and stored in the Most Holy of His sanctuary.

What did change is the Priesthood Heb 7:12 and Christ is our Mediator and Jesus became the perfect sacrifice so there this no more animal blood sacrifices. No where in the bible does it say God's Ten Commandments is no longer a requirement and Jesus said He came not to abolish the laws, but magnify God's laws. Teaching others the least of God's commandments comes with some serious warnings we should listen to. Matthew 5:17-20 God bless
 
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You seem to confuse the fact that God said the new covenant would not like the one made at Sinai. So God's laws for Christians are whatever He commands through the gospel we can read what His commands "are", not "was" under Moses.
Jesus was quoting torah straight out of the old hebrew scriptures.
 
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Based on your logic, it is still OK to judge people on some foods, and some feasts, and some sabbaths.

Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;


Apparently, you get to pick and choose to make your SDA doctrine work.
Let's look at context. Starting in Colossians 1:26 He speaks of the mystery, Christ in us the hope of glory. To present every man perfect in Christ. Wherein we labor, Striving according to the working which works mighty in us.

So as we have receive Christ Walk ye in Him. Rooted and built up and established in the Faith, abounding in thanksgiving. For in Him dwells the fullness Of God bodily. And we are Complete in Him which is the head of all. Circumcised with the circumcision made without hands in the putting off of the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ. BURIED WITH HIM in Baptism we are risen with Him through God who raised Him from the dead.
And we being dead in our sins and uncircumcision of our flesh have He quickened, raised us from the dead with Him, forgiving us all trespasses. Blotting out the HANDWRITING OF THE Ordinances. Not the Ordinances themselves but the handwriting of the ordinances or to the ordinances or by the ordinances. Those which dealt with when we sinned or because of sin. The sacrifices, judgments and ceremonies that were mandated due to us sinning are not needed and were blotted out because now we have forgiveness in Christ Jesus. Verse 15 and 16 are being spoken in context to verse 14. HOW DO WE KNOW? Because verse 15 starts with the word "and". And verse 16 starts with the word "therefore". That means that these two verse are dependent upon what was previously stated. And what was previously stated was that the Handwriting of the ordinances, to the ordinances or by the ordinances was blotted out. Why? Because we have been forgiven. The food and drink, New moon and sabbaths that are being spoken of in verse 16 are being spoken of in respect to those to which were handwritten to the ordinances. Not the the Ten Commandments, Not the Sabbath of them.


Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Col 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of the ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
 
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Jesus was not giving the authority to His disciples/Peter to change all the teaching that Jesus taught and led by example. There is no scripture that states this. His disciples do not have authority above God and we are told not to change one Word of God Proverbs 30:5,6 so His disciples were not and did not change the teachings of Jesus.

What is important is to follow the Word of God and the stories in the bible have significant meanings and warnings. For example the story of Cain and Abel. Both made sacrifices to God, but one followed and obeyed God and the other one made a sacrifice based on his own will. Which sacrifice did God accept? I think the warning from Jesus regarding worshipping God in vain by doing our own will and not the will of God by obeying traditions over God's commandments you might find yourself in a very similar situation to Cain and Abel. Matthew 15:3-9 There is no scripture in the entire bible telling us that God's Ten Commandments was abolished and we are free to sin. John in Revelations tells us the opposite that God's saints keep the Commandments of God and the faith in Jesus. Rev 14:12. Therefore Rev 1:10 is not about a new day of worship. The context in scripture does not support it nor does the scripture state it. God only claimed one holy day from the beginning Genesis 2:1-3 to the end Isaiah 66:23 and God does not change.

Here is a short video regarding Peter and scripture that is being left out regarding the church being built on Peter. God's church is built on God's Word.


God bless!
Then what does it mean when Jesus tells the Twelve "Who hears you hears me." and "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven"? Along with "sending the Paraclete to guide you in all truth", I think we know who's directing things.
We did not change the Sabbath. Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath. Christ reconstituted the world, made it new. The motive of the Sabbath is not worship, it's rest. Also, to take care of those who work for you by giving them a day of rest every week. But every day was a day of worship. We worship on Sunday, the day Jesus' empty tomb was found. And every other day, too, just as God commanded.
You're right that the stories in the Bible have significant meanings, but you pick and choose which ones to hold on to. For example, you don't believe the plain meaning of John chapter 6, Matthew 16:18-20, the meaning of 'Hail, full of grace", and many others.
Also, if you agree that we are told not to change one word of God, why do you delete 7 books of the Bible and parts of several other books? I'll tell you why. IT's because some of the doctrines contained in those books are inconvenient to Protestants.
 
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Then what does it mean when Jesus tells the Twelve "Who hears you hears me." and "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven"? Along with "sending the Paraclete to guide you in all truth", I think we know who's directing things.
It was the Seventy not just the apostles or a apostle.

Luke 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
 
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It was the Seventy not just the apostles or a apostle.

Luke 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
Separate incidents, I believe. The apostles and their successors are the ones with the power to bind and loose. That's pretty specific. At the Council of Jerusalem, it was only the apostles who made the decision that gentiles not need circumcision.
 
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The food and drink, New moon and sabbaths that are being spoken of in verse 16 are being spoken of in respect to those to which were handwritten to the ordinances. Not the the Ten Commandments, Not the Sabbath of them.


(KJV+) Let noG3361 manG5100 thereforeG3767 judgeG2919 youG5209 inG1722 meat,G1035 orG2228 inG1722 drink,G4213 orG2228 inG1722 respectG3313 of an holyday,G1859 orG2228 of the new moon,G3561 orG2228 of the sabbathG4521 days:


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σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.
Total KJV occurrences: 68


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(KJV+) Let noG3361 manG5100 thereforeG3767 judgeG2919 youG5209 inG1722 meat,G1035 orG2228 inG1722 drink,G4213 orG2228 inG1722 respectG3313 of an holyday,G1859 orG2228 of the new moon,G3561 orG2228 of the sabbathG4521 days:


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σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.
Total KJV occurrences: 68


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PARALLEL TRANSLATIONS PLURAL SABBATHS FROM THE FEAST DAYS

New Living Translation
So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.

International Standard Version
Therefore, let no one judge you in matters of food and drink or with respect to a festival, a New Moon, or Sabbath days.

NET Bible
Therefore do not let anyone judge you with respect to food or drink, or in the matter of a feast, new moon, or Sabbath days

King James Bible
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

New King James Version
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

King James 2000 Bible
Let no man therefore judge you in food, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

American King James Version
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

A Faithful Version
Therefore, do not allow anyone to judge you in eating or in drinking, or with regard to a festival, or new moon, or the Sabbaths,

Darby Bible Translation
Let none therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in matter of feast, or new moon, or sabbaths,

Webster's Bible Translation
Let no man therefore judge you in food, or in drink, or in respect of a holy-day, or or the new-moon, or of the sabbaths

Geneva Bible of 1587
Let no man therefore condemne you in meate and drinke, or in respect of an holy day, or of the newe moone, or of the Sabbath dayes,

Bishops' Bible of 1568
Let no man therfore iudge you in meate, or in drinke, or in part of an holyday, or of the newe moone, or of the Sabboth dayes:

Coverdale Bible of 1535
Let no man therfore trouble youre consciences aboute meate or drynke, or for a pece of an holy daye, as the holy daye of ye newe Mone, or of the Sabbath dayes,

Tyndale Bible of 1526
Let no ma therfore trouble youre conscieces aboute meate and drynke or for a pece of an holydaye as the holydaye of the newe mone or of the sabboth dayes

Literal Standard Version
Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a celebration, or of a new moon, or of Sabbaths,

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore let no one judge you in regard to food, or in regard to drink, or in regard to a feast, or a New Moon, or Sabbaths,

Young's Literal Translation
Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,

Smith's Literal Translation
Therefore let not any judge you in food, or in drink, or in turn of festival, or of the new moon, or of sabbaths

Literal Emphasis Translation
Therefore, let no one make a judgment- in food and in drink, or in part to a feast or a new moon or Sabbaths,

Douay-Rheims Bible
Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths,

Catholic Public Domain Version
Therefore, let no one judge you as concerns food or drink, or a particular feast day, or feast days of new moons, or of Sabbaths.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Let no man disturb you about food or about drink or in the distinctions of feasts and beginnings of months and Sabbaths,

Anderson New Testament
Let no one judge you, therefore, in meat or in drink, or in respect to a feast, or the new moon, or sabbaths,

Haweis New Testament
Let no man therefore judge you concerning what you eat, or what you drink, or the observance of a feast, or new moon, or the sabbaths

Mace New Testament
Let no man therefore condemn you for meats or drinks, or in respect of feasts, or new moons, or sabbaths

Worrell New Testament
Let no one, therefore, judge you in food, or in drink, or in respect of a feast, or a new moon, or sabbaths,

Worsley New Testament
Let no one therefore judge you on account of meat, or drink, or in respect of a feast, or a new-moon, or sabbaths

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Note: the Greek translation of sabbaths in Colossians 2:16 is genitive neuter plural meaning plural sabbaths or in some translations sabbath days. Some other English translations translate sabbaths (plural) from Colossians 2:16 as "a sabbath" relating to the context of the scripture meaning the sabbaths (plural) connected to the Feast days as the Greek word for sabbath in Colossians 2:16 is not the definite article to "the Sabbath" of God's 4th commandment. As shown earlier, Colossians 2:16; use of sabbaths (plural) to the Feast days. The context of Colossians 2:16 is to the meat and drink offerings, the new moons and the sabbaths (plural GNP) in the Feast days (G1859 ἑορτή). The annual sabbaths (plural not singular) in the annual Feast days that could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle include all the annual ceremonial sabbaths in the Feast days from (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that were all shadows of things to come pointing to Jesus as the promised Messiah and Savoir of the world and not God's 4th commandment that points backwards to the finished work of creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) not forwards to things to come (Colossians 2:17). Do you know what old testament scripture Paul is quoting from in Colossians 2:16? (see Ezekiel 45:17 which is also plural application to the sabbaths in the Feast days from the Hebrew old testament scriptures)

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Note: the Greek translation of sabbaths in Colossians 2:16 is genitive neuter plural meaning plural sabbaths or in some translations sabbath days.


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σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.
Total KJV occurrences: 68


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G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.
Total KJV occurrences: 68 .

Already addressed. Please see post # 554 linked. It seems you may not understand what was shared with you that you were quoting from in which I seek to help here. For clarification if I might be more helpful and so I can understand what your thinking is, how does what you have posted here again, address anything in the post you are quoting from in my linked post above? - It doesn't. You just repeated what you said the first time that I already addressed without discussing anything shared with you in the post you are quoting from. Can you tell me what you think the scriptures shared with you and my last post you are quoting from are saying? I am only asking to see if you understood what was shared with you from the scriptures in the Greek and Hebrew that Colossians 2:16 is quoting from in regards to the (sabbaths plural) in the annual Feast days. Also, do you know what [GNP] stands for and means in the original Greek? I am only trying to be helpful here. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. That would be between you and God to work through.

Take Care :wave:
 
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Jesus quoted the Torah is what he is saying not that he quoted Jeremiah 31.
Jesus said; The law and the prophets was until John.

Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

 
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Jesus said; The law and the prophets was until John. Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The law and the prophets were indeed unto John because they all testified of Jesus and Jesus came after John. These of course being all before Jesus who came after John. The scripture is not saying however that the law and the prophets ended at John and Jesus did not say I have come to destroy law and the prophets or unless your righteousness is lower than the Scribes and the Pharisees you will in no wise enter into the Kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:17-20). Gods' Word does not teach lawlessness (without law).

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Getting back to the OP now. Do you have any scripture to support the man-made teaching and tradition of the early Church that "the Lord's day" of Revelation 1:10 is Sunday?

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Already addressed. Please see post # 554 linked. It seems you may not understand what was shared with you that you were quoting from in which I seek to help here. For clarification if I might be more helpful and so I can understand what your thinking is, how does what you have posted here again, address anything in the post you are quoting from in my linked post above? - It doesn't. You just repeated what you said the first time that I already addressed without discussing anything shared with you in the post you are quoting from. Can you tell me what you think the scriptures shared with you and my last post you are quoting from are saying? I am only asking to see if you understood what was shared with you from the scriptures in the Greek and Hebrew that Colossians 2:16 is quoting from in regards to the (sabbaths plural) in the annual Feast days. Also, do you know what [GNP] stands for and means in the original Greek? I am only trying to be helpful here. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. That would be between you and God to work through.

Take Care :wave:

I am quoting from an unbiased source found below, and you are quoting from you.

I will keep repeating the truth, as long as I have breath left in my body.


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σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.
Total KJV occurrences: 68


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Then what does it mean when Jesus tells the Twelve "Who hears you hears me." and "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven"? Along with "sending the Paraclete to guide you in all truth", I think we know who's directing things.

"Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven" means the apostles had the freedom to deliver the gospel (that Jesus taught them) to people which will make an eternal difference. What they did on earth would be seen in heaven. What they did on earth would last for eternity is all that Jesus is saying here.

We did not change the Sabbath.
Agreed. No one has the authority to change the holy day of the Lord thy God. Isaiah 58:13, Exodus 20:8-11 That said the Roman Catholic church takes credit they changed the corporate day of worship from Saturday to Sunday and they admit it did not come from scriptures which was predicated in Daniel 7:25

Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope.
—Our Sunday Visitor, February 5th, 1950.

Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174



Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath. Christ reconstituted the world, made it new.
Maybe you can quote scripture where Jesus said this? Jesus came back to His disciples and never once mentioned any change to God's Sabbath day that they had been preaching as our example while Christ was teaching His disciples and spreading the Word about the gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus warned about the tribulation after His death stating "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath." Matthew 24:20 seems a weird thing to say if the Sabbath day was changed or "fulfilled in meaning obsolete" Jesus said not one tittle will pass from the law Matthew 5:18. If Jesus was going to delete the 4th commandment you can bet there would have been been an uproar in scriptures considering how Jesus was being followed to see if He was going to break the Sabbath law, which He never did. Not silence from Jesus about this change of His Father's commandment.


The motive of the Sabbath is not worship, it's rest.
These are your words, not the words of God. The commandment is: Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. We rest from our work so we can keep God's Sabbath holy. We are told to do all our work in six days, which means the first day, Sunday is a working day according to God and not a holy day or a day of worship. Should we worship our Creator and Savior on a day that is a work day or would it be more appropriate to worship our Savior on a day that God blessed, sanctified and commanded us to keep holy? Which day will be the day we worship on the New Earth and New Heaven? According to scripture its the same day Saturday Sabbath that God deemed from the beginning to be His holy day of rest. Isaiah 66:23, Genesis 2:1-3

Also, to take care of those who work for you by giving them a day of rest every week. But every day was a day of worship. We worship on Sunday, the day Jesus' empty tomb was found. And every other day, too, just as God commanded.
Show me where God told us to keep holy any other day except the seventh day Sabbath? This scripture should be in the bible to make such statements. We worship God daily, He should be the center of our life, but God clearly told us to work six days and keep the seventh day holy Exodus 20:8-11. When we do not keep the 4th commandment that is considered sin 1 John 3:4 Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7 so Sunday worship leads many to break one of God's commandments and when we follow traditions over the commandments we are told we are worshipping in vain by Jesus Matthew 15:3-9


You're right that the stories in the Bible have significant meanings, but you pick and choose which ones to hold on to. For example, you don't believe the plain meaning of John chapter 6, Matthew 16:18-20, the meaning of 'Hail, full of grace", and many others.
We have different interpretations.

Also, if you agree that we are told not to change one word of God, why do you delete 7 books of the Bible and parts of several other books? I'll tell you why. IT's because some of the doctrines contained in those books are inconvenient to Protestants.

Jesus is in control of His Word and the Bible is exactly what God wanted it to be otherwise it would not be the best selling book each year because God's Word is to be spread to all the world and each person will have a chance to follow God and the teachings of scriptures or follow their own way, before our Savior comes back for us.

Jesus told us:
John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Jesus and the disciples taught the Word of God, not new doctrines that cannot be supported by scriptures.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

God bless and Happy Sabbath!
 
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