More than 150 Houston hospital workers fired or quit after refusing COVID-19 vaccine

Aryeh Jay said:

Did you know that the number of abortions in the 2020 for the world has nothing to do with COVID-19?

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If someone is going to cry over the 2% who had the virus who died as though it was the worse death rate in the world, they need some facts as to death rates that are far far higher and the result of human choice. If the death of 1 is say, why isn't the deaths of 10x as much 10x that much more tragic? It is only unimportant because who crying over the 2% decide that they don't cry over the 42 million babies, just the 4 million 70 years olds.

expos4ever said:

Conspiracy theory stuff. Anyone can simply claim that the "truth" is being hidden if they do not happen to like the pronouncements of experts.

Why stop at the vaccines?

Maybe smoking is good for you.

Maybe we never went to the moon.

Maybe there was widespread voting fraud in the 2020 election.

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Of what relevance is the above to the discussion?

expos4ever said:

Again, you do not have the qualifications to render an opinion on this.

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I just heard of a new research group that showed that the immune response might be altered by the vaccine. Not the virus, mind you, just the vaccine. It might render those who received less able protect the body against other virus attacks. Am I not allowed to read this and learn from because I have no PhD?

Aryeh Jay said:

It is better to die as a martyr and have eternal life in heaven than take a vaccine and prove science correct.
Is that what the take away is?

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Well, it depends upon whether the outcome of the vaccine program proves to the worse mistake governments did in the history of the human race. or not. Does the presence of this flu end without leaving a trail of malfunctions all over the world or does it pass like all other flues? There is not enough time to see what the vaccine will do as that will take years. If some are brave enough to stand and encourage others to not simply drink the coolaid and thereby save lives and health, it will have been worth it. We are called to think of more than ourselves.

Dorothy Mae said:

If some are brave enough to stand and encourage others to not simply drink the coolaid and thereby save lives and health, it will have been worth it.

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You mean like saving all the lives of those who got vaccinated vs the deaths of all those who did not?

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.

An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 853,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 0.1%.

And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average

Dorothy Mae said:

Well, it depends upon whether the outcome of the vaccine program proves to the worse mistake governments did in the history of the human race. or not. Does the presence of this flu end without leaving a trail of malfunctions all over the world or does it pass like all other flues? There is not enough time to see what the vaccine will do as that will take years. If some are brave enough to stand and encourage others to not simply drink the coolaid and thereby save lives and health, it will have been worth it. We are called to think of more than ourselves.

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What does the flu and flu vaccines have to do with Covid and covid vaccines? The flu vaccine and Mrna Covid vaccine, are both vaccines, but they are different types of vaccines. Are you against flu vaccines as well? Are you against all vaccines? I am guessing this post simply had nothing to do with Covid and was just about flu and its vaccine. A bit out of place, but ok.

Aldebaran said:

Are you resorting to moving goalposts now? I didn't make a claim as to what the FDA is going to do at this point. What I showed you is that the vaccine is still UNAPPROVED, and I was responding to someone else who said:

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Well, are you going to drop your objections when the FDA finally approves the vaccines?

Aldebaran said:

If the vaccine was so great, it wouldn't take gimmicks to make people get it.

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If they're using gimmicks (in other worse, "enticements"), then it can't be said they're using force.

Dorothy Mae said:

directly into the blood stream, a place the virus or spike might never otherwise go.

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Well, that's completely wrong.

And, of course, when the vaccine goes into the bloodstream, it will more quickly and effectively created the intended immune system response in the bloodstream, which is where the antibodies will be mobilized more quickly when the virus enters the bloodstream from the alveoli, because that's how antibodies are transported through the body, and the virus certainly does always enter the bloodstream.

Dorothy Mae said:

I just heard of a new research group that showed that the immune response might be altered by the vaccine.

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Yeah. That's what vaccines do. They alter the immune response.

Its not the same yet people still get the flu pass it on and God for bid people are still dying from it. That flu shot who cares.. the covid shot how much testing been done? Any real news about Covid is not being seen or heard by much of the media.

As for the Hospital works not wanting to be guinea pigs. The sad fact is some real people have been and they died. Its so easy to talk about this stuff when its not your mom or dad or you that just got fired or God for bid some side effect from the shot. If you got that flu show did you HAVE to way 15min? "take the mask down I need to see if your lips are blue or puffy, can you breath?" Right after you got that shot.

Its the classic "it will never happen to me. I got the shot and I am fine so that proves it" lol. Real people lost there jobs and some have no problem with that. Again its not your mom dad or spouse. They stood their ground willing to lose it all praise GOD! So that being said the Hospital has every right to require people to get the shot. I don't see Hospital in the wrong .. I fully understand why they demand it.

So on a Christian forum I pray they that lost their jobs will find new better ones in JESUS name! If they don't know Him that something in some way or another they hear that He died for them and loves them.. in JESUS Name

Blade said:

Its not the same yet people still get the flu pass it on and God for bid people are still dying from it. That flu shot who cares.. the covid shot how much testing been done? Any real news about Covid is not being seen or heard by much of the media.

As for the Hospital works not wanting to be guinea pigs. The sad fact is some real people have been and they died. Its so easy to talk about this stuff when its not your mom or dad or you that just got fired or God for bid some side effect from the shot. If you got that flu show did you HAVE to way 15min? "take the mask down I need to see if your lips are blue or puffy, can you breath?" Right after you got that shot.

Its the classic "it will never happen to me. I got the shot and I am fine so that proves it" lol. Real people lost there jobs and some have no problem with that. Again its not your mom dad or spouse. They stood their ground willing to lose it all praise GOD! So that being said the Hospital has every right to require people to get the shot. I don't see Hospital in the wrong .. I fully understand why they demand it.

So on a Christian forum I pray they that lost their jobs will find new better ones in JESUS name! If they don't know Him that something in some way or another they hear that He died for them and loves them.. in JESUS Name

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If you were not offered the 15 min wait after the flu shot, the place you got it erred. They are supposed to recommend you wait for the 15 min after every vaccination. They may not, but they are in error if they do not.

ETA at least that was the policy when I gave them a while back.

I got a tetanus and before that Pneumovax shot a while back and I opted out of the wait, but they still asked. I could have opted out of the covid wait, but as I had not ever had it before, I waited.

Blade said:

They stood their ground willing to lose it all praise GOD! So that being said the Hospital has every right to require people to get the shot. I don't see Hospital in the wrong .. I fully understand why they demand it.

So on a Christian forum I pray they that lost their jobs will find new better ones in JESUS name! If they don't know Him that something in some way or another they hear that He died for them and loves them.. in JESUS Name

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A very tough decision for them to make. I keep wondering if the powers which be are just eventually going to announce they won't treat people who aren't vaccinated. Not saying they will but wouldn't that be the ultimate forcing people to get it? What if you had a heart problem and they say, "Oh not vaccinated? Sorry no ambulance will be coming to your place."

FireDragon76 said:

I call shennanigans.

Nobody is entitled to enter another country and potentially spread disease. Especially seeing as the UK isn't even an EU member anymore, a disgruntled, unvaccinated UK citizen has no moral leg to stand on in this matter.

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I agree that sovereign states have a right to decide who enters their country. But that's not what my post was about. My post was about the UK government making international travel unviable for UK citizens, by requiring long periods of quarantine upon return. At the same time, the G7 politburo were free to come and go, and it looks like they're going to allow 2500 UEFA officials to come in without the same restrictions that apply to returning UK citizens.

There's very much a classist element to these restrictions. Firstly, because the restrictions don't apply to those who are considered to be special cases. Secondly, because it is the poorest and most downtrodden in society who can least afford quarantine. It's all got an Animal Farm flavour to it. And if you've read Animal Farm, you'll know that 'All animals are equal', eventually changed to, 'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than other animals'. Furthermore, the UK Health Secretary has recently been forced to resign, after it emerged that he was flouting his own covid restrictions. From a class perspective, we're moving towards communism. For example, in communist Russia they had Zil Lanes, which were lanes on highways reserved solely for high ranking officials.

I should also add that many southern EU states can't afford to shut out tourists and holiday makers. At least not without a major, and very rapid, restructuring of their economy. The UK can be quite a grey and cold place during the winter months, and many UK tourists spend a lot of money on holidays during the winter in southern EU states such as Italy, Spain, Greece, and the south of France. And I am sure I have heard recently that some of these EU states that are heavily reliant on tourism, are willing to admit completely unvaccinated tourists, which gives you an idea of their desperation to resume that part of their economic activity.

Lastly, I'm not much of an international traveller. In my opinion there's plenty for me to explore in the UK. And as my passport had already lapsed long before covid even started, the idea that I am a 'disgruntled, unvaccinated' wannabe international traveller is really quite funny to hear.

ThatRobGuy said:

Well sure, but then what was the point of linking the VAERS-sourced graph then?

VAERS doesn't "weed out" those kinds of reports, so that would mean the graph you posted is irrelevant... and we should instead rely on data that's peer reviewed by experts, which states that vaccination risk is minimal in comparison to the risk of the disease itself.

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Can you point me to the death reports on VAERS that look questionable?

Dorothy Mae said:

Do you know the risk of dying in a car accident? Do you then never take a car anywhere?

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Deaths in the US due to covid - 619,434
Deaths per year due to car accidents - 38,000 approx

Yep - safer to drive.

Aldebaran said:

Peer-reviewed isn't much different from peer-pressured.

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That's not true...

Contrary to certain theories that are espoused, "Peer-reviewed" doesn't just mean "have a buddy check your work an sign off on it".

There's more process to it then that.