More than 150 Houston hospital workers fired or quit after refusing COVID-19 vaccine

[Dorothy Mae]

Actually, the reality is that around 30% of people who catch COVID experience long term symptoms.

I doubt this. The stats I read say most have mild to no symptoms at all. None. I know quite a lot who had it and not one have long term symptoms. Not one.
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Around a third of people in England who developed covid-19 went on to experience long term symptoms sometimes called “long covid,” a UK study has found and experts believe that more than two million people could have been affected in this way.

Covid-19: Third of people infected have long term symptoms

How does that work with the majority who have no symptoms at all and are counted as “dangerous?”Someone’s counting is off.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

And further to this: any long-term damage from the vaccine will be caused by the immune system's response to the vaccine. Well, what happens when you get covid - you get an immunological response! Why would such a covid-induced response not put you at the same risk of long-term side effects as the immunological response to the vaccine?

Because Covid is first dealt with in the upper respiratory system built to deal with viruses. The vaccine puts the toxic virus directly into the blood stream, a place the virus or spike might never otherwise go.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

True, but no employer is required to retain an employee who poses a risk to others.


Ah yes, stirring rhetoric, the refuge of those who have no case.

With the case for the wisdom of vaccination so overwhelming, those bent on resisting the jab have no recourse except to such vague, entirely misguided appeals to motherhood and apple pie.

How do sound, compassionate, scientifically-endorsed public health measures suddenly become tyranny?

Science is not your strong point is it? The government response to Covid makes no scientific sense and hasn’t.

 

[expos4ever]

The 98% tells us that the virus is NOT dangerous.

What an absurd statement.

600,000 Americans are dead! Also:

Our study is unique in characterizing a group consisting of mostly outpatients: 90% of our cohort experienced only a mild COVID-19 illness, yet one-third continue to have lingering effects," she said.

Many of these individuals are young and have no pre-existing medical conditions, indicating that even relatively healthy individuals may face long-term impacts from their illness.

Again, your notion that a 2% risk of death is "not dangerous" is completely out of touch with how people assess danger.

Would anyone go swimming this summer if they knew that 2 out 100 will drown?

Of course they wouldn't.

 

[expos4ever]

Then you will personally never find it since you assume it’s not there. The government loves your kind. Just do as they say. Believe every word politicians say.

Code for: I cannot support my statement since I made it up.

You claimed:

"The truth would help but if the truth were fully known, no one but the elderly would get the vaccine."

Well, what is that truth to which you refer? What is this mysterious truth about the horrors of the vaccine?

If you had not invented your statement out of thin air, surely you could point us to some credible source that supports your position.

So why are you not doing so?

 

[expos4ever]

Because Covid is first dealt with in the upper respiratory system built to deal with viruses. The vaccine puts the toxic virus directly into the blood stream, a place the virus or spike might never otherwise go.

And your qualifications to render a judgement as to why that distinction matters are..........?

To be fair, you have the right to question my qualifications to assert that the immunological response to covid is likely to cause at least as many problems as the immunological response to the vaccine.

Are you asking me to do so? If I do, do you promise to do likewise?

 

[expos4ever]

I know quite a lot who had it and not one have long term symptoms. Not one.

And you pontificate to me about literacy in science?!

You "know a lot of people"?

If you presented this as "evidence" to a scientific journal, you would laughed out of the room. And rightly so.

Anecdotes do not a case make.

 

[cow451]

No hospital has the right to require employees take a person health risk. Tyranny and the sheepeople defend it in great ignorance. Freedom from harm is lost in the US. My advise to young people is leave while you can, if you can find a country where tyranny of the ignorant is not yet law.

Hospitals absolutely have that right. Employees and medical staff can both catch and transmit communicable disease. Every hospital requires certain vaccinations and tests for disease like TB.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hospitals absolutely have that right. Employees and medical staff can both catch and transmit communicable disease. Every hospital requires certain vaccinations and tests for disease like TB.

Not where I live. No vaccines are required at our university hospital at all. The Covid vaccine is not like any other. No one gets a heart attack from a tetnus shot. Brain and other clots are not associated with the MMR. There are small risks but the benefits out weight the risks. If 98% of the population who have the virus in their throats never recover, it is not dangerous.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

And you pontificate to me about literacy in science?!

You "know a lot of people"?

If you presented this as "evidence" to a scientific journal, you would laughed out of the room. And rightly so.

Anecdotes do not a case make.

A whopping 98% who have to virus recover. A whopping 50% who are postive never develop symptoms at all. So what do we have? A small 30% of those who do develop symptoms have a longer progression to recovery. So that is 30% of 50% of the whole which is only 15% of the whole who are positive have long term symptoms. Of 100 people who test positive 50% have symptoms, so 50. Of that 50 only 30% take longer to recover, which is 15% or 15 out of 100. So that sounds a lot different. Only 15 out of a hundred at most take longer to recover. How many take longer to recover or die from the vaccine? We don't know as they will not release any numbers lest people wake up.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

And your qualifications to render a judgement as to why that distinction matters are..........?

To be fair, you have the right to question my qualifications to assert that the immunological response to covid is likely to cause at least as many problems as the immunological response to the vaccine.

Are you asking me to do so? If I do, do you promise to do likewise?

Do you dispute that the upper respiratory is the first line of defense against respiratory microorganisms? If not, what is? Is this knowlege limited to those with PhDs and no one else knows that the immune system first meets these invaders in the upper respiratory tract?

 

[cow451]

Not where I live. No vaccines are required at our university hospital at all. The Covid vaccine is not like any other. No one gets a heart attack from a tetnus shot. No one gets a brain clot from the MMR. There are small risks but the benefits out weight the risks. If 98% of the population who have the virus in their throats never recover, it is not dangerous.

The name of that medical center that requires no staff vaccinated?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The name of that medical center that requires no staff vaccinated?

No way am I trusting you with that information as it is too easy to find out who I am. Sorry but if you do not believe me why should I give you information that is dangerous for me to reveal. But I will tell you about other hospitals in other places. HEre is from Germany:

More than 50% of nurses reluctant
Skepticism is not uncommon among medical staff in Germany. A survey conducted by the "German Society for Internal Intensive Care and Emergency Medicine" (DGIIN) and the "German Interdisciplinary Association for Intensive Care and Emergency Medicine" (DIVI) back in December last year showed that only 73% of doctors, and just under 50% of nurses, in Germany want to be vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2. Although a clear majority of respondents said the vaccine was important to contain the pandemic.

You can see that it is not manditory or there would be no discussion.

IN the UK:A number of vaccines are recommended for healthcare workers—although they are not compulsory—as outlined in Immunisation against Infectious Disease (the “Green Book”).7 These include tetanus, diphtheria, polio, and MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella).

I could look up more but so far, not required but recommended.

Europe might be more concerned about human rights than the US so maybe this is difficult for Amerians to understand.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Actually, the reality is that around 30% of people who catch COVID experience long term symptoms.

Around a third of people in England who developed covid-19 went on to experience long term symptoms sometimes called “long covid,” a UK study has found and experts believe that more than two million people could have been affected in this way.

Covid-19: Third of people infected have long term symptoms

As I wrote, that is 30% of people who develop symptoms. You say that is 2 million. About 50% of the people who test positive experience no symptoms at all or very mild. So let's work backwards and look at the numbers.

30% of X = 2,000,000
X=2,000,000 / .30
X= about 7 million

So 7 million do NOT experience long term effects. BUT, only 50% of the whole who are postive, that is the 7 million have symptoms at all or very mild. So another 7 million are postive who had no symptoms have no long term effects either, so 14 million who contract the covid virus DO NOT experience long terms effects. A whopping 14 million who are postiive of which 50% have no symptoms and only 30% of the other 50% have long term.

That is still not close to the majority who are negative and have neither long term nor short term effects. And of those who become ill, the vast majority are over 70 years old and can protect themselves with the vaccine. Their reactions to it are not as severe as the young. This is well known. So the young, who experience cardiac arrest and more, are supposed to lay down their health for people over 70 who are not likely to have any reactions at all to the vaccine. Hummmmm. And I am the one accused of being hard hearted.

 

[cow451]

No way am I trusting you with that information as it is too easy to find out who I am. Sorry but if you do not believe me why should I give you information that is dangerous for me to reveal. But I will tell you about other hospitals in other places. HEre is from Germany:

More than 50% of nurses reluctant
Skepticism is not uncommon among medical staff in Germany. A survey conducted by the "German Society for Internal Intensive Care and Emergency Medicine" (DGIIN) and the "German Interdisciplinary Association for Intensive Care and Emergency Medicine" (DIVI) back in December last year showed that only 73% of doctors, and just under 50% of nurses, in Germany want to be vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2. Although a clear majority of respondents said the vaccine was important to contain the pandemic.

You can see that it is not manditory or there would be no discussion.

IN the UK:A number of vaccines are recommended for healthcare workers—although they are not compulsory—as outlined in Immunisation against Infectious Disease (the “Green Book”).7 These include tetanus, diphtheria, polio, and MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella).

I could look up more but so far, not required but recommended.

Europe might be more concerned about human rights than the US so maybe this is difficult for Amerians to understand.

Ok, what country?

 

[Hank77]

Here's more:
Publish or perish culture encourages scientists to cut corners

From your posted article...

Last week there was another very public case of a journal article being retracted as a result of academic misconduct. This time it was in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), with the lead author – Dr Anna Ahimastos, working at Melbourne’s Baker IDI – reportedly admitting she fabricated data.


Sadly, the story is all-too familiar. But this is not to say that science is imperiled, only that we need to ensure the reward and support structures in academia promote the best practices rather than corner cutting.
Publish or perish culture encourages scientists to cut corners

How does this article support your arguement?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

It is better to die as a martyr and have eternal life in heaven than take a vaccine and prove science correct.
Is that what the take away is?

 

[expos4ever]

If 98% of the population who have the virus in their throats never recover, it is not dangerous.

I assume you mean if they do recover.

Either way, your 98% argument does not work - it is completely out of touch with how people actually evaluate danger. No one, short of a daredevil, would do anything that puts them at 1% risk of dying if they can avoid it.

Take sky-diving. This is considered risking by most. Your chance of dying per jump? About 1 per 100,000 jumps. Yes, that it 0.001 %, 10,000 times more likely than dying of covid.

What about drowning? Your lifetime risk of dying by drowning is 10 times higher than your of dying of covid (if you are infected). Why then do we have lifeguards and personal flotation devices since, by your standards, swimming is not dangerous?

The notion that something that carries a 1% risk of death is "not dangerous" is completely at odds with how we normally evaluate risks.

 

[expos4ever]

We don't know as they will not release any numbers lest people wake up.

Conspiracy theory stuff. Anyone can simply claim that the "truth" is being hidden if they do not happen to like the pronouncements of experts.

Why stop at the vaccines?

Maybe smoking is good for you.

Maybe we never went to the moon.

Maybe there was widespread voting fraud in the 2020 election.

 

[expos4ever]

Do you dispute that the upper respiratory is the first line of defense against respiratory microorganisms? If not, what is? Is this knowlege limited to those with PhDs and no one else knows that the immune system first meets these invaders in the upper respiratory tract?

Again, you do not have the qualifications to render an opinion on this.