More than 150 Houston hospital workers fired or quit after refusing COVID-19 vaccine

[RDKirk]

Not according to the FDA. From page 12 of the link:

"The Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) has declared a public health emergency that justifies the emergency use of drugs and biological products during the COVID-19 pandemic. In response, FDA has issued an EUA for the unapproved product, Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, for active immunization against COVID-19 in individuals 12 years of age and older. FDA issued this EUA, based on Pfizer-BioNTech’s request and submitted data. Although limited scientific information is available, based on the totality of the scientific evidence available to date, it is reasonable to believe that the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine may be effective for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals as specified in the Full EUA Prescribing Information. This EUA for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine will end when the Secretary of HHS determines that the circumstances justifying the EUA no longer exist or when there is a change in the approval status of the product such that an EUA is no longer needed."
https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download

The FDA is not going to dis-approve it at this point.

If that's the point you're hanging your hat on, does that mean you'll drop your objections when the FDA approval finally comes in?

 

[wing2000]

Peer-reviewed isn't much different from peer-pressured.

Who needs peer-reviewed publications when there is Youtube?

 

[expos4ever]

Peer-reviewed isn't much different from peer-pressured.

What? How do you know this?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Wouldn't it really be what it is? Having a right to chose to or not to?

They do have that right. But their employer also has a right to choose.

 

[Bobber]

They do have that right. But their employer also has a right to choose.

So at least you have no problem people against vaccines calling themselves Pro-Choice.

 

[essentialsaltes]

So at least you have no problem people against vaccines calling themselves Pro-Choice.

I haven't been able to talk them out of one stupid decision, so I don't see how I could stop them from a second one.

 

[Bobber]

No

Why not?

 

[Bobber]

I haven't been able to talk them out of one stupid decision, so I don't see how I could stop them from a second one.

Point is words are chosen for effect.

Calling one anti anything always is meant to create a sense such one is somewhat evil.

Pro Choice sounds and seems so noble like a defender of individual rights and liberties. Truth is that's why large numbers of people are against forced vaccines.

I'd just say we live in a culture that isn't fair nor consistent. If one group gets to use the more positive term the other group should as well. One may not like their position but it is Pro Choice.

 

[Hank77]

Nice quote mine. You should have read to the end of my post where there was a link showing that I was correct that people are ending up hospitalized from their vaccination.

I didn't say that NO ONE was hospitalized.

See post #153!

 

[essentialsaltes]

One may not like their position but it is Pro Choice.

Every freedom we have allows us choices.

 

[Aldebaran]

You're playing semantic games. In common speech, authorization is approval.

In legal terms, it isn't. If you doubt that, try filing a lawsuit against either the FDA or the drug company if you suffer serious injury from it. Good luck.

 

[Aldebaran]

The FDA is not going to dis-approve it at this point.

If that's the point you're hanging your hat on, does that mean you'll drop your objections when the FDA approval finally comes in?

Are you resorting to moving goalposts now? I didn't make a claim as to what the FDA is going to do at this point. What I showed you is that the vaccine is still UNAPPROVED, and I was responding to someone else who said:

Good grief... the vaccines are approved.

 

[Aldebaran]

Is being anti-science really the hill you want to die on? Because I think that's a very losing proposition.

Being pressured by your peers to take a position so your career doesn't get marginalized isn't science.

 

[cow451]

Why not?

We ain’t birthing babies, here.

 

[expos4ever]

Truth is that's why large numbers of people are against forced vaccines.

Likely a strawman - who, here or anywhere, is promoting forced vaccines?

 

[expos4ever]

Being pressured by your peers to take a position so your career doesn't get marginalized isn't science.

And do you have any evidence that such a problem exists at anywhere near the level needed to call the credibility of mainstream science into question?

 

[Aldebaran]

Likely a strawman - who, here or anywhere, is promoting forced vaccines?

Or even coercing people into getting them? It's not like they're offering Vaccine lotteries where you enter to win a million dollars by getting a shot. Or get free tickets to a baseball game if you just get the shot. Nah!

"To date, 62.8% of American adults have already received at least one dose of the shot and 133.6 million are fully vaccinated against the viral disease - and the White House just announced their push to get that number to 70% by July 4. To help meet that goal, brands, politicians, corporations and more are pushing to keep the momentum going with giveaways for free food, alcohol, sporting tickets, scholarships and even millions of dollars."
How to Get the Best COVID-19 Vaccine Freebies and Incentives, from Food to Money to Sports Tickets

 

[Aldebaran]

And do you have any evidence that such a problem exists at anywhere near the level needed to call the credibility of mainstream science into question?

A survey of more than 4,000 scientists has painted a damning picture of the culture in which they work, suggesting that highly competitive and often hostile environments are damaging the quality of research.

Around 80% of the survey’s participants — mostly academic researchers in the United Kingdom — believed that competition had fostered mean or aggressive working conditions, and half described struggles with depression or anxiety. Nearly two-thirds of respondents reported witnessing bullying or harassment and 43% said they had experienced it.
Stress, anxiety, harassment: huge survey reveals pressures of scientists’ working lives

Here's more:
Publish or perish culture encourages scientists to cut corners

 

[FireDragon76]

A survey of more than 4,000 scientists has painted a damning picture of the culture in which they work, suggesting that highly competitive and often hostile environments are damaging the quality of research.

Around 80% of the survey’s participants — mostly academic researchers in the United Kingdom — believed that competition had fostered mean or aggressive working conditions, and half described struggles with depression or anxiety. Nearly two-thirds of respondents reported witnessing bullying or harassment and 43% said they had experienced it.
Stress, anxiety, harassment: huge survey reveals pressures of scientists’ working lives

Here's more:
Publish or perish culture encourages scientists to cut corners

If you're so concerned about abusive or mean environments biasing judgment... you'ld better steer clear of many churches as well.

 

[Aldebaran]

If you're so concerned about abusive or mean environments biasing judgment... you'ld better steer clear of many churches as well.

I was answering someone who was asking for the evidence to what I was telling him about. If you are more interested in hating on churches, start a new thread about it.