Clarifying the Debate "basics" on Sabbath and the TEN Commandments

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LoveGodsWord

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These confessions claim the ten commandments were given to Adam in the garden, which you have already admitted is in error.

Well that is not true. I did not admit anything of the sort. You are in error here. I said to you many times already ADAM and EVE, did not have the 10 commandments given to them BEFORE the fall because they had God's law of love written on the heart and had never sinned, therefore had no knowledge of good and evil. God's laws were only brought in once they disobeyed God and sinned when they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing) *Genesis 3:22. According to the scriptures, God's law gives us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and according to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11.

Something to pray about.
 
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Hi Adam, I would like to address your thought. Yes, the ten commandments WERE the commandments of God given to Israel and only Israel. They were part of the words of the covenant, Yes, I use the term "were" because the covenant that contained the ten commandments ended at Calvary where Jesus ratified the new and better covenant for not only Israel, but for all mankind.

Ah see that is where you make an enormous mistake. The 10 commandments vs the new convenant Jesus gave. It was not about that.

The new covenant is outlined in Hebrews...The old covenant used the High Priest as our intercessor (originally Aaron). In the New Covenant, Jesus is our intercessor.

It has nothing to do with doing away with any laws. One cannot remove the moral law, that is the standard by which ALL sin is gauged.

Without a moral law there is no sin!

Deuteronomy 29:29
The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, so that we may follow all the words of this law.

The new covenant God promised that due to the failure of mankind to upkeep the old one...ie laws written on tablets of stone, God would instead write these laws (the 10 commandments) on the hearts of every man and the Holy Spirit would instead be the minister of them to all mankind. This was prophesied many years earlier

Jeremiah in Ch 24:7
"I will give them a heart to know Me, that I am the LORD. They will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with all their heart."

The New Covenant is further explained by Paul...

Hebrews 8:9" It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, because they did not abide by My covenant, and I disregarded them, declares the Lord. 10For this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people. 11No longer will each one teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest"

Which are "MY LAWS" spoken of here? (remembering Hebrews is likely authored by a student or associate of the apostle Paul, if not at the behest of Paul himself and therefore very late) is a quote from the OLD TESTAMENT writings!

There were no New Testament scriptures from which to reference...clearly these laws are the 10 commandments...the ETERNAL Law of God! How many years after Jesus death was the book of Hebrews written A.D 63/64?

Giving the gospel to the Gentiles as the apostles were charged with doing by Jesus meant the Gentiles were now charged with spreading the Word of of God (the Biblical story of the plan of salvation) and Jesus was the new High Priest/new intercessor.

Jesus replaced earthly priests...such as Caiaphas (you can now see why the High priest was so keen to crucify him cant you...to protect the High Priests position in society)!

The Holy Spirit has a very important role in this and that is why he came at the day of Pentecost to the disciples in the upper room. He now talks to the hearts of men (the still small voice) and helps minister to them. We plant the seeds, he does the work...that is what the new convenant is all about...It is not about doing away with laws (that is complete nonsense)

It had nothing to do with abolishing the 10 commandments (that isnt even biblical).

1. Cain already knew that killing was wrong...how many years before Sinai was this?

2. The Tower of Babel was struck down by God and the languages confused because they were putting other gods before the true God in heaven...their pride in trying to become like God by building a tower that reached into heaven was against the commandments of God (clearly a long time before Sinai)

3. Abram gave tithe to a non Levite Priest..Hebrews 7:6 "But Melchizedek, who did not trace his descent from Levi, collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises." (again, how many centuries before Sinai was this...4?)

Melchizedek was quite likely in the city of the King of Sodom...that is who Abram was visiting when this event occurred.

"Josephus refers to Melchizedek as a "Canaanite chief" in War of the Jews" Melchizedek - Wikipedia

Clearly the idea of tithing started long before the establishment of any Jewish/Israelite system of governance after Egypt. Abram had not even been yet had his named changed to Abraham as a sign of the covenant between himself and God!

4. Even secular non christian logic tells us, the 10 commandment must still be kept. Society even demands it.

The evidence against the doing away with the 10 commandments at the cross is overwhelming. In light of the entire theme of the Bible, starting with the War in heaven...which was a direct assault of allegiance to God, (the first part of the commandments btw), and then when we look at who the saints are in the Book of Revelation (those who keep the commandments of God), one cannot in all good conscience be honest with themselves and say, I do not need to keep the Sabbath.

That is the real issue here...churches who followed the Catholic church directive and changed to Sunday worship are desperately seeking justification for continuing to break the 4th commandment. This is exactly how they do it, by saying the 10 commandments are no longer needed, we dont need to keep them anymore, we can now not keep the Sabbath. A day God blessed and Sanctified at the completion of Creation. That is a very significant point!
 
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Even secular non christian logic tells us, the 10 commandment must still be kept. Society even demands it.

Really?

How many Walmart stores are closed one day per week?

How many people lie about keeping the Sabbath day as it was kept in the Old Testament, even though they travel many miles to meet with others?


Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

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Really?

How many Walmart stores are closed one day per week?

How many people lie about keeping the Sabbath day as it was kept in the Old Testament, even though they travel many miles to meet with others?


Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

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I dont mean to suggest you do or dont believe in the Sabbath however, you miss the point. The point is, why was the Sabbath given in the first place...AT CREATION?

Go back into your bible and explain what the purpose of the day of rest in creation was all about.

Now look at society and examine why the Sabbath is important even in society today and how society is suffering morally as a result of not keeping it!

Now are you still going to use that argument you just presented to me? I mean honestly, what has Walmart got to do with this? Have you ever listened to atheists debate christianity. They always throw the moral argument into the mix..."if there is a God, why would he allow sexual assault of young children?" This is your Walmart argument and its absurd and irrelevant to the topic.
 
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How far do you travel on a Sabbath day?

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I dont have any travel restrictions on the Sabbath Day. I use electricity, fill my car up with petrol (if i forget to do it earlier in the week), buy food if im hungry (Jesus disciples picked ears of corn on the Sabbath and fed themselves). David ate shewbread from the tabernacle....was David condemned for this?

This raises an interesting question that might at first seem offtopic.

Why did the Phillistines not immediately die when they took the Ark of The Covenant and placed it exposed and uncovered in the Temple of Dagon?

Why then did Uzza immediately get struck down by God in 2Sam6:6 when he attempted to stop the Ark from falling off the cart when the oxen stumbled?

Doesnt this seem like a double standard?

I think the point here is, ones own conscience determines where they are at with the keeping of the Sabbath. If your conscience says "i should not leave my house", follow your conscience. If your conscience says "i should not eat food offered to idols", follow your conscience.

I do not see ones conscience being able to rationalise that one should not keep ALL of the 10 commandments (according to ones conscience).
 
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If your doctrine was correct, you would not have to use the invented term "the moral law" which is not found in the Bible.

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Step 1 - read the first three posts in this thread.

Step 2 - notice details -- for example the quotes of the "Westminster Confession of Faith" and the "Baptist Confession of Faith" use the term "moral law" before SDAs were even a denomination. your practice of blaming SDAs for Bible details that even the Bible scholars opposing us freely admit to (and admitted to it long before the SDA denomination was formed) - is not "serving you well".

But it signals a huge flaw in your solution.
 
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Ah see that is where you make an enormous mistake. The 10 commandments vs the new convenant Jesus gave. It was not about that.

The new covenant is outlined in Hebrews...

Then new Covenant in Hebrews 8:6-12 is verbatim the same as it is in Jer 31:31-34 - no change at all to it. Except that Heb 8 informs us that it is "Jesus' Commandments" that He is speaking at Sinai.
 
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I think the point here is, ones own conscience determines where they are at with the keeping of the Sabbath. If your conscience says "i should not leave my house", follow your conscience. If your conscience says "i should not eat food offered to idols", follow your conscience.

I keep the Sabbath every day of the week.

Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;


Based on what Paul said above, in the same way animal sacrifices were a shadow of Christ the sabbaths were also a shadow on Christ.

I rest in His works at Calvary.

I have also "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage", as Paul told the Galatians to do in Galatians 4:24-31.

This is what my conscience has told me to do, and it is what the Bible tells me to do.

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And where in the Law of Moses did you get that?


Exo 16:28 And Jehovah saith unto Moses, 'How long have ye refused to keep My commands, and My laws?
Exo 16:29 see, because Jehovah hath given to you the sabbath, therefore He is giving to you on the sixth day bread of two days; abide ye each in his place, no one doth go out from his place on the seventh day.'
Exo 16:30 And the people rest on the seventh day,


You claim to keep the Sinai Covenant Sabbath, but you ignore the words of God found above.

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Exo 16:28 And Jehovah saith unto Moses, 'How long have ye refused to keep My commands, and My laws?
Exo 16:29 see, because Jehovah hath given to you the sabbath, therefore He is giving to you on the sixth day bread of two days; abide ye each in his place, no one doth go out from his place on the seventh day.'
Exo 16:30 And the people rest on the seventh day,


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Lev 23:3 the seventh day Sabbath -- A day of "HOLY CONVOCATION" they gathered for worship "leaving their place".

Acts 13 - they gathered for worship on Sabbath - leaving their place.
Acts 17 - they gathered Sabbath after Sabbath after Sabbath for worship - leaving their place.
Acts 18:4 - they gathered EVERY Sabbath for holy convocation.
 
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I keep the Sabbath every day of the week.

Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;


Based on what Paul said above, in the same way animal sacrifices were a shadow of Christ the sabbaths were also a shadow on Christ.

I rest in His works at Calvary.

I have also "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage", as Paul told the Galatians to do in Galatians 4:24-31.

This is what my conscience has told me to do, and it is what the Bible tells me to do.

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No one rests in Christ by breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments. Paul warns us about sinning (breaking God' commandments) and not believing Gods' Word in Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4. John also says those who knowingly continue to break God's commandments and those who do not is the main difference between the children of God and the children of the devil in 1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4. As posted earlier your posts are only repetition that have already been addressed in detailed scriptures responses showing your teachings are not biblical. The fact that you do not respond to anyone of these posts says volumes in my opinion. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to the scriptures in Romans 3:4 and Acts of the Apostles 5:29. Your errors in regards to your interpretation of Colossians 2:16-17 have already been pointed out to you and is talking about the annual sabbaths (plural) in the Feast days not God's 4th commandment - see post # 71; post # 72. I am still waiting for a response from you as well as many other posts that you refuse to respond to that show why your teachings are not biblical.

May you receive God's Word and be blessed. Ignoring them do not make them disappear.
 
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Lev 23:3 the seventh day Sabbath -- A day of "HOLY CONVOCATION" they gathered for worship "leaving their place".


Someone has changed the word of God to make their man-made doctrine work.
They assembled as a family in their homes.

Do you think God changed His mind after Exodus 16:28-30?


Leviticus 23:3

(ESV) “Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work. It is a Sabbath to the LORD in all your dwelling places.

(ESV+) R19“Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work. It is a Sabbath to the LORD in all your dwelling places.

(Geneva) Six daies shall worke be done, but in the seuenth day shalbe the Sabbath of rest, an holie conuocation: ye shall do no worke therein, it is the Sabbath of the Lorde, in all your dwellings.

(GW) You may work for six days. But the seventh day is a day of worship, a day when you don't work, a holy assembly. Don't do any work. It is the LORD'S day of worship wherever you live.

(KJV) Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

(KJV+) SixH8337 daysH3117 shall workH4399 be done:H6213 but the seventhH7637 dayH3117 is the sabbathH7676 of rest,H7677 an holyH6944 convocation;H4744 ye shall doH6213 noH3808 H3605 workH4399 therein: itH1931 is the sabbathH7676 of the LORDH3068 in allH3605 your dwellings.H4186

(NKJV) 'Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

(YLT) six days is work done, and in the seventh day is a sabbath of rest, a holy convocation; ye do no work; it is a sabbath to Jehovah in all your dwellings.


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Paul warns us about sinning (breaking God' commandments) and not believing Gods' Word in Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4.

Is this the same Paul who told the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in Galatians 4:24-31?

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

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Exo 16:28 And Jehovah saith unto Moses, 'How long have ye refused to keep My commands, and My laws?
Exo 16:29 see, because Jehovah hath given to you the sabbath, therefore He is giving to you on the sixth day bread of two days; abide ye each in his place, no one doth go out from his place on the seventh day.'
Exo 16:30 And the people rest on the seventh day,


You claim to keep the Sinai Covenant Sabbath, but you ignore the words of God found above.

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Read the context. "Going out of his place" is in context to collecting manna on the Sabbath.

Exodus 16:4-5 [4], Then said the LORD to Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no. [5], And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.

The bible does not say anywhere you cannot go outside on the Sabbath. By ignoring the scripture contexts again your making the bible say things it does not say and does not teach.

Jesus and the Apostles regularly went to Church (the synagogue) on the Sabbath and went outside on the Sabbath (see Luke 4:16; Matthew 12:1; Acts of the Apostles 17:2)

Acts of the Apostles 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spoke to the women which resorted thither.

Your interpretations of scripture are not biblical.
 
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Is this the same Paul who told the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in Galatians 4:24-31?

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

This is repetition from another thread to which I am still waiting a response from you. As posted earlier...

Galatians 4:24-31 of course it not saying anywhere that Gods' 10 commandments are abolished. That view would be unbiblical and a contradiction of most of the new testament scriptures. Galatians 4 is talking about the two covenants and those who seek to return to the works of the law departing faith in Christ.

Your mistaken view here, I believe is what makes up the old covenant and what makes up the new covenant. You believe that the old covenant is only Gods' 10 commandments written on stone and the new covenant is faith without the requirement of obedience to Gods' Law. This teaching is not biblical but let me show from the scriptures why I say this and show what the old covenant is and what the new covenant is.

WHAT MADE UP THE OLD COVENANT?

The old covenant was made up of many sets of laws. These included God's Law (10 Commandments) spoken and written by GOD himself to his people on two tables of stone and the Mosaic book of the covenant written and spoken to God's people by MOSES containing the Civil, Sanitary, Ceremonial, Ecclesiastical laws for forgiveness of sin and sin offerings for the SANCTUARY and PRIESTHOOD [Levitical].

EXODUS 24:7 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

THE OLD COVENANT INCLUDED THE 10 COMMANDMENTS AND THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

The Old covenant included Gods' 10 commandment and the Mosaic book of the covenant and collectively they made of the Old covenant.

Let's look at the scriptures...

1. GOD'S LAW (10 commandments - One scripture only as we already agree on this)

EXODUS 34:28 [28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

This is what you left out of your post only telling half the story...

2. THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT (Also part of the old covenant)

EXODUS 24:7 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] TAKE THIS BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the side of the ark of the COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21] And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, ACCORDING TO ALL THE CURSES OF THE COVENANT that are WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW.

EXODUS 24:7 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

2 KINGS 23:2 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

2 KINGS 23:3 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the COVENANT.

2 KINGS 23:21 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

2 CHRONICLES 34:30 [30], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT that was found in the house of the LORD.

2 CHRONICLES 34:31 [31] And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THE COVENANT WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

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CONCLUSION *Yep, the OLD COVENANT is not just the 10 Commandments it includes the prophetic SHADOW LAWS FROM THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT*

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The Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT were pointing to the NEW..

HEBREWS 9:1 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

EPHESIANS 2:15 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby

EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

NUMBERS 19:2 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

HEBREWS 10:1 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

What laws are written on the heart in the NEW COVENANT promise? It is not the MOSAIC laws for remission of sin...

JEREMIAH 31:31-34 [31], Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:[32], NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt ; MY COVENANT WHICH THEY BROKE, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD:[33], But THIS SHALL BE MY COVENANT THAT I SHALL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISREAL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND I WILL WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE; [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

2 CORINTHIANS 3 [2], You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, WRITTEN NOT WITH INK, BUT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD; NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, BUT IN THE FLESHLY TABLES OF THE HEART. (see all of 2 COR 3)

The NEW COVENANT promise of LOVE is God's LAW (10 Commandments) written on the heart to LOVE through faith (HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10)

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CONCLUSION; Jesus did not come to change or destroy GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments). It is through GOD's LAW that we have a KNOLWEDGE of what SIN is. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE. Yep it is the SHADOW laws that are fulfilled in Christ. The OLD COVENANT is made up of God's 10 Commandments and the Shadow laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

You have your shadow laws mixed up with God's eternal LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is if broken. * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:11; 1 JOHN 3:4
 
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Galatians 4:24-31 of course it not saying anywhere that Gods' 10 commandments are abolished.

You are correct. Christ said He would "fulfill" the whole law, instead of abolishing it.

Hebrews 8:13 says the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete", instead of abolishing it.

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Paul used the words "Sinai" and "covenant" in Galatians 4:24-31, and based on Deuteronomy 5:1-22 the Sinai Covenant is the ten commandments written on stone.

I do not have to re-define what the Bible says in Deuteronomy 5:1-22, or Galatians 4:24-31, or Hebrews 8:13, or Hebrews 12:18-24, to make Ellen G. White's doctrine work.


I can accept what Paul said below.

2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?


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