AMAZING FUN FACTS ON GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT AND SUNDAY WORSHIP!

RBPerry · Apr 3, 2021

There is no question the broccoli has some great nutritional value. However how many people eat it raw. Many over cook it and then your amino acid chart goes out the window.
What you can't get from vegetarian diets is B12, creatine, carnosine, vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol), DHA, heme iron, and taurine.
So what are the effects of say B12 deficiency, weakness, fatigue, impaired brain function, neurological disorders, psychiatric disorders, megaloblastic anemia, possible links to Alzheimer’s disease, possible links to heart disease.
Creatine, your muscle and brain nutriment, most vegetarians show reduced levels.
Carnosine is an antioxidant that’s concentrated in the muscles and brain of humans and animals
It’s very important for muscle function, and high levels of carnosine in muscles are linked to reduced muscle fatigue and improved performance
Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) is an essential omega-3 fatty acid that’s important for normal brain development and function. Deficiency in DHA can have adverse effects on mental health and brain function, especially in children.

So it is easy to build debates for and against a vegetarian diet. Done correctly a vegetarian diet can be healthy, but not without supplements. If taking supplements, how do you keep the correct balance?

Bob S · Apr 3, 2021

I wonder if that is why Ellen White ate oysters.
"Mary, if you can get me a good box of herrings—fresh ones—please do so. These last ones that Willie got are bitter and old. If you can buy cans, say [a] half dozen cans of good tomatoes, please do so. We shall need them. If you can get a few cans of good oysters, get them." {Lt16-1882.4}

LoveGodsWord · Apr 3, 2021

Bob S said:
I wonder if that is why Ellen White ate oysters.
"Mary, if you can get me a good box of herrings—fresh ones—please do so. These last ones that Willie got are bitter and old. If you can buy cans, say [a] half dozen cans of good tomatoes, please do so. We shall need them. If you can get a few cans of good oysters, get them." {Lt16-1882.4}

EGW - Ellen G. White and Oysters (22-F-3)

LoveGodsWord · Apr 3, 2021

RBPerry said:
There is no question the broccoli has some great nutritional value. However how many people eat it raw. Many over cook it and then your amino acid chart goes out the window.
What you can't get from vegetarian diets is B12, creatine, carnosine, vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol), DHA, heme iron, and taurine.
So what are the effects of say B12 deficiency, weakness, fatigue, impaired brain function, neurological disorders, psychiatric disorders, megaloblastic anemia, possible links to Alzheimer’s disease, possible links to heart disease.
Creatine, your muscle and brain nutriment, most vegetarians show reduced levels.
Carnosine is an antioxidant that’s concentrated in the muscles and brain of humans and animals
It’s very important for muscle function, and high levels of carnosine in muscles are linked to reduced muscle fatigue and improved performance
Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) is an essential omega-3 fatty acid that’s important for normal brain development and function. Deficiency in DHA can have adverse effects on mental health and brain function, especially in children.

So it is easy to build debates for and against a vegetarian diet. Done correctly a vegetarian diet can be healthy, but not without supplements. If taking supplements, how do you keep the correct balance?

Wonder where I get my magic B12 from being a vegan for around 40 years eating fruits, nuts grains and vegetables and legumes? Funny I have had a full on meat eating friend some time ago that had full on B12 deficiencies and had to have B12 injections every week and here I am a full on vegetarian with no B12 deficiencies supposedly not being able to get any B12 from my food? It is true that vegans have lower levels of B12 than meat eaters. My question is what is the baselines for healthy B12 levels and what is the baseline for too much and too little? Why did my friend who was a full on meat eater have B12 deficiencies and why do I not have B12 deficiency? If the baseline for B12 deficiency is based on someone who has a meat eating diet how is that not a biased view of a baseline and how do we know what is minimal and maximum? BTW, in my post here I am not saying that vegan vegetarians should not watch their B12 levels and do not need to plan a balanced diet just so there is no misunderstandings here.

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Other sources of B12...

1. Nutritional Yeast
48.7mcg / 1217.5% DV per 100g

Nutritional yeast is a vegan’s secret weapon, great for sprinkling over salads or crafting vegan cheese alternatives. One thing to note:

Although fortified yeast is a super dense B12 source, it may be wise to diversify your B12 sources (as opposed to just relying on this one). B12 is light sensitive, so if you get your nutritional yeast from clear plastic containers like those found in Wholefoods, the micronutrient may degrade and the actual values may be lower than usual.

2. Marmite + Yeast Spreads
0.5mcg / 12.5% DV per 100g

You either love or hate it. Regardless, it may be worth experimenting with marmite or other yeast spreads from time to time if you’re looking to keep your B12 levels in check. They don’t provide a whole load of bang for their buck, but every little helps!

3. Fortified Soy + Almond Milk
0.9mcg / 22.5% DV per 100g in fortified soy milk

Fortified milk substitutes are a super convenient way to keep on top of your B12 levels. Some of the best sources include:

Hemp milk
Almond milk
Oat milk
Soy milk

Whenever possible, go organic and double check the label to confirm it is actually fortified with B12!

4. Plant-Based Meats
Up to 100% DV in one Moving Mountains B12 Burger

Many plant-based meats are a great source of B12 – including the B12 Burger made by British brand Moving Mountains. Again, not all plant-based meat alternatives are fortified, so remember to check the nutrient labels!

5. Fortified Cereals
You can stay on top of your B12 from the get-go by adding fortified cereals to your breakfast meal prep. Some of the richest sources on supermarket shelves include:

Kellogs All Bran – 24.0mcg / 600% DV per 100g
Nature’s Path Optimum – 10.9mcg / 272.5% DV per 100g
Kellogs Low Fat Granola – 10.0mcg / 250% DV per 100g

Natural Vegan B12 Sources

RBPerry · Apr 3, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Wonder where I get my magic B12 from being a vegan for around 40 years eating fruits, nuts grains and vegetables and legumes? Funny I have had a full on meat eating friend some time ago that had full on B12 deficiencies and had to have B12 injections every week and here I am a full on vegetarian with no B12 deficiencies supposedly not being able to get any B12 from my food? It is true that vegans have lower levels of B12 than meat eaters. My question is what is the baselines for healthy B12 levels and what is the baseline for too much and too little? Why did my friend who was a full on meat eater have B12 deficiencies and why do I not have B12 deficiency? If the baseline for B12 deficiency is based on someone who has a meat eating diet how is that not a biased view of a baseline and how do we know what is minimal and maximum? BTW, in my post here I am not saying that vegan vegetarians should not watch their B12 levels and do not need to plan a balanced diet just so there is no misunderstandings here.

There are debates about what your DV should be, it ranges from 2.4 mcg to 6 mcg. Women who are pregnant or breastfeeding need more. Some nutrition experts question if this amount is enough, especially among the elderly. So as you can see depending on your source you'll get different opinions.

Using individual cases mean very little, one must look at averages. As I stated previously my cousin was a devote vegetarian and died at 37 of cancer. Reality was she had a weakened immune system, cause was unknown. One of my relatives drank excessively, smoked, and had a horrid diet, died at 96. As you can see those individual examples mean very little. We also now know that our genes have a lot to do with longevity. The bible speaks of sins being passed from one generation to the next. Reality it is saying the genetics is passed.

Now if you are basing your intakes based on cereal boxes I hate to tell you this, those numbers can be way off and the FDA let's them get away with it.

So how do you know that your vitamin levels are where they should be? The only way to accurately evaluate is with a blood test panel that will give you Vitamins A, B1, B6, B9(Folic Acid), B12, C, D,E, and K1.

As I said, the issue I have with the way the SDA approach dietary issues is from a legalistic basis and to me that is wrong. Prior to the "great awakening" many Christian groups began looking for ways to express holiness, they made it external instead of internal. What do I mean by that? They wanted external examples of righteousness, and didn't focus on the heart of the believer. Look at all the different groups that came out of that era, and all the rules they came up with. It isn't only the SDA, but Mormons, JW, Quakers, Amish, German Baptist, some other Baptist groups. So now we have numerous Christian churches all beating a different drum.

Bob S · Apr 3, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
EGW - Ellen G. White and Oysters (22-F-3)

Ellen, the prophet??, was told by her angel or whatever not to eat pork and the old covenant is clear on crustations, but she didn't know about Oysters? She was shown in vision the photographs of her flock and how photographs are idols and the flock should not own bicycles, but never that Oysters are unclean. OY! Someone has an excuse for everything she was wrong about.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 3, 2021

RBPerry said:
There are debates about what your DV should be, it ranges from 2.4 mcg to 6 mcg. Women who are pregnant or breastfeeding need more. Some nutrition experts question if this amount is enough, especially among the elderly. So as you can see depending on your source you'll get different opinions.

Using individual cases mean very little, one must look at averages. As I stated previously my cousin was a devote vegetarian and died at 37 of cancer. Reality was she had a weakened immune system, cause was unknown. One of my relatives drank excessively, smoked, and had a horrid diet, died at 96. As you can see those individual examples mean very little. We also now know that our genes have a lot to do with longevity. The bible speaks of sins being passed from one generation to the next. Reality it is saying the genetics is passed.

Now if you are basing your intakes based on cereal boxes I hate to tell you this, those numbers can be way off and the FDA let's them get away with it.

So how do you know that your vitamin levels are where they should be? The only way to accurately evaluate is with a blood test panel that will give you Vitamins A, B1, B6, B9(Folic Acid), B12, C, D,E, and K1.

As I said, the issue I have with the way the SDA approach dietary issues is from a legalistic basis and to me that is wrong. Prior to the "great awakening" many Christian groups began looking for ways to express holiness, they made it external instead of internal. What do I mean by that? They wanted external examples of righteousness, and didn't focus on the heart of the believer. Look at all the different groups that came out of that era, and all the rules they came up with. It isn't only the SDA, but Mormons, JW, Quakers, Amish, German Baptist, some other Baptist groups. So now we have numerous Christian churches all beating a different drum.

This really did not address anything in my last post or my questions to you. Any how you did not have to if you do not want to. Just say so. Sorry I disagree with your claims here also in the last paragraph. We do what we do in regards to following God's Word not because we have to but because we love God. Something it seems you have not picked up on by trying to judge us claiming we do what we do out of legalism. What we should never forget is that only God knows our hearts and to make claims of legalism you would need to know each persons heart and motive for why they follow God and according to the scriptures none of us know this.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 3, 2021

Bob S said:
Ellen, the prophet??, was told by her angel or whatever not to eat pork and the old covenant is clear on crustations, but she didn't know about Oysters? She was shown in vision the photographs of her flock and how photographs are idols and the flock should not own bicycles, but never that Oysters are unclean. OY! Someone has an excuse for everything she was wrong about.

Sorry Bob, I provided you the background. Truth is progressive we learn over time. That is why the scriptures teach we are babes in Christ before we start growing in the knowledge of Gods' Word and why God says we are all held accountable for the things we know not what we do not know according to Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and James 4:17. It is not until we have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word and we choose to reject it in order to return or continue in known unrepentant sin that the scriptures teach there now remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come in Hebrews 10:26-31. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4

RBPerry · Apr 3, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
This really did not address anything in my last post or my questions to you. Any how you did not have to if you do not want to. Just say so. Sorry I disagree with your claims here also in the last paragraph. We do what we do in regards to following God's Word not because we have to but because we love God. Something it seems you have not picked up on by trying to judge us claiming we do what we do out of legalism. What we should never forget is that only God knows our hearts and to make claims of legalism you would need to know each persons heart and motive for why they follow God and according to the scriptures none of us know this.

What didn't I answer? I have no way of knowing why your friend had a B12 deficiency. Did his primary care physician find or shed any light on what other health issues he may have going on. I gave you the recommended daily range.

If your looking for the normal baseline that is a little difficult, it can range between 110 - 1500 pg. Age, gender, and overall health helps doctors determine if their patients are falling within a normal range. There are studies going on now that raises concerns of have excessive B12 and possibly associating it with certain cancers, as far as I know there is no conclusive conclusions.

I don't think you understand legalism. You can't earn your salvation, if you could the Jesus died on the cross for nothing. Righteousness comes from the heart, not from physical actions.

Paul made several comments that proves the point, "All things are permissible, but not all things are profitable". Jesus said "it isn't what goes into the mouth that defiles a man, it's what comes out...."
You want to live by a bunch of made up rules that is fine with me, just don't try to put that burden on me. Like Paul said, "those that are weak in faith......."

Personally I'm sick of Christian picking a sentence or two out of scripture and attempting to build some theological reasoning that many times has little or nothing to do with the entire letter.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 3, 2021

RBPerry said:
What didn't I answer? I have no way of knowing why your friend had a B12 deficiency. Did his primary care physician find or shed any light on what other health issues he may have going on. I gave you the recommended daily range.

If your looking for the normal baseline that is a little difficult, it can range between 110 - 1500 pg. Age, gender, and overall health helps doctors determine if their patients are falling within a normal range. There are studies going on now that raises concerns of have excessive B12 and possibly associating it with certain cancers, as far as I know there is no conclusive conclusions.

I don't think you understand legalism. You can't earn your salvation, if you could the Jesus died on the cross for nothing. Righteousness comes from the heart, not from physical actions.

Paul made several comments that proves the point, "All things are permissible, but not all things are profitable". Jesus said "it isn't what goes into the mouth that defiles a man, it's what comes out...."
You want to live by a bunch of made up rules that is fine with me, just don't try to put that burden on me. Like Paul said, "those that are weak in faith......."

Personally I'm sick of Christian picking a sentence or two out of scripture and attempting to build some theological reasoning that many times has little or nothing to do with the entire letter.

Do a google on B12 deficiencies in meat eaters. I already knew the answer to this one before I asked.

RBPerry · Apr 4, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Do a google on B12 deficiencies in meat eaters. I already knew the answer to this one before I asked.

That is funny, I have more research data on nutrition than you can imagine. You sure seemed to be focused on B12, and the reason there is such a spread in what is considered normal level is based on several factors. Sure someone that eats meats can be low on B12 and other vitamins, it depends on many different factors. If your primary care doctor does a blood panel on you and considers your vitamin and mineral levels are normal then that is all you need to concern yourself with. If you feel good, have plenty of energy for your age then sit back and enjoy life. Just remember, there is more to balance than B12 as I noted above.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 4, 2021

RBPerry said:
That is funny, I have more research data on nutrition than you can imagine. You sure seemed to be focused on B12, and the reason there is such a spread in what is considered normal level is based on several factors. Sure someone that eats meats can be low on B12 and other vitamins, it depends on many different factors. If your primary care doctor does a blood panel on you and considers your vitamin and mineral levels are normal then that is all you need to concern yourself with. If you feel good, have plenty of energy for your age then sit back and enjoy life. Just remember, there is more to balance than B12 as I noted above.

No I am not really focused on just B12 at all. I am focused on general health and well being. As posted earlier though nutrition while of course is very important is only 1 of the 8 laws of health that achieves this. If you can keep the discussion to the OP here it would be great. Happy to talk more on health and nutrition with you though if you still wish to but there is a dedicated thread already opened for that here linked... GOD'S DIETARY LAWS AND BAT SOUP STEW - COVID 19

Bob S · Apr 4, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Sorry Bob, I provided you the background. Truth is progressive we learn over time.

Except when you are guided personably by your own Angel. Actually, at first one of the flock told her that oinkers were unclean and she put her down telling her if they were unclean God would have revealed it to her.

I saw that your views concerning swine’s flesh would prove no injury if you have them to yourselves; but in your judgment and opinion you have made this question a test, and your actions have plainly shown your faith in this matter. If God requires His people to abstain from swine’s flesh, He will convict them on the matter. He is just as willing to show His honest children their duty, as to show their duty to individuals upon whom He has not laid the burden of His work. If it is the duty of the church to abstain from swine’s flesh, God will discover it to more than two or three. He will teach His church their duty. {1T 206.3}

"I saw" But in reality, she didn't see. Or maybe she did see and then later didn't really see. In her statement she made the person feel that God couldn't reveal His will to just anyone. Ellen put that person down without a doubt. To Ellen, only Ellen could receive a message like that and God had not given her that information. What a put down.

That is why the scriptures teach we are babes in Christ before we start growing in the knowledge of Gods' Word and why God says we are all held accountable for the things we know not what we do not know according to Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and James 4:17. It is not until we have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word and we choose to reject it in order to return or continue in known unrepentant sin that the scriptures teach there now remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come in Hebrews 10:26-31. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4

Sorry LGW, I don't believe you have received the knowledge of the Good News Good news that we are not under the dictates of the old covenant.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 4, 2021

Bob S said:
Except when you are guided personably by your own Angel. Actually, at first one of the flock told her that oinkers were unclean and she put her down telling her if they were unclean God would have revealed it to her.

I saw that your views concerning swine’s flesh would prove no injury if you have them to yourselves; but in your judgment and opinion you have made this question a test, and your actions have plainly shown your faith in this matter. If God requires His people to abstain from swine’s flesh, He will convict them on the matter. He is just as willing to show His honest children their duty, as to show their duty to individuals upon whom He has not laid the burden of His work. If it is the duty of the church to abstain from swine’s flesh, God will discover it to more than two or three. He will teach His church their duty. {1T 206.3}

"I saw" But in reality, she didn't see. Or maybe she did see and then later didn't really see. In her statement she made the person feel that God couldn't reveal His will to just anyone. Ellen put that person down without a doubt. To Ellen, only Ellen could receive a message like that and God had not given her that information. What a put down.

Sorry LGW, I don't believe you have received the knowledge of the Good News Good news that we are not under the dictates of the old covenant.

Sorry Bob, I do not believe any of your teachings or your claims here so we will agree to disagree as we have had many of these same conversations in the past where scripture has been shared with you which in the past you simply choose to ignore and not respond to. So for now I will leave it for you and God to work through as you are free to do and believe as you wish as we all answer only to God come judgement day according to the scriptures *John 12:47-48; Hebrews 10:26-27. I wish you only God's love and hope to see you in God's kingdom as you seek him by believing and following His Word. Have a nice day.

RBPerry · Apr 4, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
No I am not really focused on just B12 at all. I am focused on general health and well being. As posted earlier though nutrition while of course is very important is only 1 of the 8 laws of health that achieves this. If you can keep the discussion to the OP here it would be great. Happy to talk more on health and nutrition with you though if you still wish to but there is a dedicated thread already opened for that here linked... GOD'S DIETARY LAWS AND BAT SOUP STEW - COVID 19

Sorry I redirected the subject. As I've been told, I have better things to do with my time.

Bob S said:
Ellen, the prophet??, was told by her angel or whatever not to eat pork and the old covenant is clear on crustations, but she didn't know about Oysters? She was shown in vision the photographs of her flock and how photographs are idols and the flock should not own bicycles, but never that Oysters are unclean. OY! Someone has an excuse for everything she was wrong about.

Not much different than Smith and Young. Anyone that does an honest study of Mrs. White can see she was wrong about many things, and just added to the mess we have with denominational differences. The end result being the agnostics and atheist laugh at us because of our diverse views of Christianity. What a shame.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 4, 2021

RBPerry said:
Not much different than Smith and Young. Anyone that does an honest study of Mrs. White can see she was wrong about many things, and just added to the mess we have with denominational differences. The end result being the agnostics and atheist laugh at us because of our diverse views of Christianity. What a shame.

For me I believe if anyone is doing an honest study they will not find the things that many claim here as faults in the EGW writings. It is only those on the outside seeking to find fault who try to discredit her writings. Yet for me my focus is Gods' Word and that is where my heart lies and is only what I wish to discuss here at CF. Every time I have had those people make those claims in regards to trying to find fault with EGW writings, I have investigated these claims for myself personally only to find those making the accusations have taken quotes out of context applying interpretations no one is making once context is read. Every quote I have read with claims of false teachings and error I have found once investigated was either pulled from it's context to try and make her say things she did not say and once the context was added back in did not agree with their claims. People of course do the same thing with the scriptures so go figure why there is so many different denominations of Christianity (30-40,000?). For me I would much rather talk scripture but commonly find that those who do not want to talk scripture that have something against the SDA Church seek to discuss EGW instead of the scriptures which most seem unwilling to discuss. Seems like a common occurrence here at CF sadly. What a shame. We should not be afraid of coming to the light of God's Word but it seems many are for whatever reason. Let's talk more latter when you or anyone else here wishes to discuss the scriptures with me and the topics of the OP. Until then lets agree to disagree. Have a great day.

Bob S · Apr 5, 2021

LGW, was the plan of salvation after man sinned as EGW wrote so plainly?

Are you giving the "prophet" a pass because people do the same thing?

Could it be that you are here promoting EGW's teachings and we have to expose her for teaching false doctrines like if I don't keep the Sabbath, I will lose eternal life?

If you were debating Mormons, would you not bring up Joe and Brigham's false additions to scripture?

Sure, you prefer scripture to avoid trying to explain any of her false teachings. All of the falsehood we have brought to light makes us wonder if your posts are really "true to the pole".

RBPerry · Apr 5, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
For me I believe if anyone is doing an honest study they will not find the things that many claim here as faults in the EGW writings.

How many of her books have you read? I had several years of SDA grammar and high school, and four years at Loma Linda. I heard more about Mrs. White than the bible at times. Mrs. White was no prophet, she capitalized on the attentions she was getting from her dreams.
What you need to look at is what happened during the so called great awakening, and what has come out of it. Instead of sticking with basic Christian theology groups like the SDA, Mormons, JW, German Baptist, Quakers, Amish, and a few other groups decide to create there own theologies. I do believe in progressive revelations, however if they challenges our original cannon, or what Christ's disciples taught then we must reject those alleged prophecies. I also believe we should study the apocrypha's (writings that the founding fathers rejected).
I have also been reading a great deal regarding near death experiences and their are some amazing insights from Christians and others. One thing that does come out is that the bible is true, but we need to study it for the spiritual truths, not the physical.
Since you like looking outside the box (Mrs. Whites writings) look a little further and try keeping an open mind, you might be surprised at what you learn. You say you want to stick with scripture, but from what I have seen you normally reject the sculptures that don't conform to your beliefs. When you read a letter, you need to read the entire letter, not just favorite sentences that you can mold the context into what fits your dogma.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 5, 2021

Bob S said:
LGW, was the plan of salvation after man sinned as EGW wrote so plainly?

Indeed Bob, It does not make sense that there would be a plan of salvation before man sinned as there was nothing to be saved from. If your asking did God know that man was going to sin well of course he did, he is God and knows the end from the beginning and always had a plan for mans salvation *1 Peter 1:18-20

Bob S said:
Are you giving the "prophet" a pass because people do the same thing?

Not at all Bob. Just calling it as I see it and have experienced it.

Bob S said:
Could it be that you are here promoting EGW's teachings and we have to expose her for teaching false doctrines like if I don't keep the Sabbath, I will lose eternal life? If you were debating Mormons, would you not bring up Joe and Brigham's false additions to scripture? Sure, you prefer scripture to avoid trying to explain any of her false teachings. All of the falsehood we have brought to light makes us wonder if your posts are really "true to the pole".

Nope. I think the evidence in what I post speaks for itself. I post Gods' Word I do not post EGW. Those who refuse to discuss the scriptures with me seek to want to discuss EGW because they have no response to the scriptures shared with them. For me Bob, he must increase and I must decrease. I only point all to the Word of God because it is there we find the one who loves us that we may love him. I know him and am known by him. All that he shows me I see and must show to all because I am blind. He tells me it is those that say they see that do not see. These are they that have once known him or do not know him. There is only life in the living Word. These are his Words and not my own. Freely I give because freely I have received. I must speak in the light and what I hear preach in the housetops. Many will not hear because they do not know Him. He is the Word of God and those that believe him are those that he has chosen. They follow him because they love him and are loved by him. Many are called but few are chosen. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgment day. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for he giveth not the Spirit by measure but many do not hear when they close their eyes to see and their ears to hear. The hour is coming and not is that the true worshipers will worship God in Spirit and in truth. God is calling all that have ears to hear and eyes to see back to His Word. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship HIm in Spirit and in truth. Do you know these scriptures Bob? They are God's Words not mine and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 5, 2021

RBPerry said:
How many of her books have you read? I had several years of SDA grammar and high school, and four years at Loma Linda. I heard more about Mrs. White than the bible at times. Mrs. White was no prophet, she capitalized on the attentions she was getting from her dreams.
What you need to look at is what happened during the so called great awakening, and what has come out of it. Instead of sticking with basic Christian theology groups like the SDA, Mormons, JW, German Baptist, Quakers, Amish, and a few other groups decide to create there own theologies. I do believe in progressive revelations, however if they challenges our original cannon, or what Christ's disciples taught then we must reject those alleged prophecies. I also believe we should study the apocrypha's (writings that the founding fathers rejected).
I have also been reading a great deal regarding near death experiences and their are some amazing insights from Christians and others. One thing that does come out is that the bible is true, but we need to study it for the spiritual truths, not the physical.
Since you like looking outside the box (Mrs. Whites writings) look a little further and try keeping an open mind, you might be surprised at what you learn. You say you want to stick with scripture, but from what I have seen you normally reject the sculptures that don't conform to your beliefs. When you read a letter, you need to read the entire letter, not just favorite sentences that you can mold the context into what fits your dogma.

THIS IS MY TESTIMONY

Your experience is much different to mine. I was not brought up in the SDA Church like you were so I never knew anything about it or did I know anything about it when I was in the world. I became SDA some time latter after finding it through the scriptures of Gods' Word. I did not find God's Word either by EGW or any other book. I started reading the bible after not knowing about God living in the world. Although when I was very young I went to Sunday school. When I was reading the bible one day I came across some scripture that troubled me.

The scriptures were talking about the last days just before Jesus returned and it said that in these last days there will be many false prophets and false Christs that if it was possible they shall deceive Gods' very elect (Matthew 24:24). At the time I read these scriptures I was not going to any Church.

I was just reading my bible at home but they troubled me very much at that time I remember because I was thinking of going out to join a Church somewhere but I did not know which one. When I read these scriptures in Matthew 24:24 I believe God showed me their interpretation at that time as in the last days before He returns there would be many false prophets being messengers or teachers claiming they were from God that have false teachings and that the false Christs represented false Christian Churches (e.g. Christ being the head of the body which is the church - Ephesians 5:23; Colossians 1:18) and that many would be lost by following what these Churches were teachings.

Then as I was considering these scriptures one day, I believe God showed me all the Churches of the world all professing to be the chosen ones of God. Today in a recent consensus I remember reading that there is today somewhere around 30-40,000 different Churches all professing to be Gods true Church that have the truth of Gods' Word? Now I do no know how true those figures are but to me even if there was 20 churches all professing to be Gods' true Church that is 19 too many right?

So I was troubled because I did not want to follow false teachings and be lost to God. I prayed to God saying dear God help me. How am I going to know who your true Church is? I barely know your word and how am I ever going to find who your true Church is? I wanted to follow God but I knew I was never going to find Him if he did not help me and if he did not help me it would be impossible for me to find the truth of His Word. Looking back now with tears in my eyes I see how God answered my prayers and was with me guiding me and teaching me through His Word.

Not long after I prayed to God, as I was continuing reading His Word I came across some promises from His Word that really helped me to have believe God was leading and guiding me. These promises seemed to speak to me again just like the scripture from Matthew 24:24 that troubled me into thinking how am I ever going to know the truth of God's Word?

These scriptures that really spoke to me next were...

John 14:26 [26], But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.

John 16:13 [13], However, when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

John 7:17 [17], If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

John 8:31-32 [31], Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed, [32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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When I read these scriptures, it was like God knew my thoughts and how I was feeling and was talking to me through his Word personally. I now had hope and was happy and relieved that God promises to be my guide and teacher to help me to know the truth of His Word and that I did not need to be worried if I trusted Him about being deceived into not knowing what His truth is. I knew I had a part to play and that was to seek Him and claim His promises through His Word (John 8:31-36).

I started claiming His promises above as I was reading His Word and slowly but surely started learning more of His Word. I asked God, praying dear God thank you for these promises but who is your true Church? I know I cannot find who your true Church is unless you guide me and teach me and show me who they are?

I continued over some time reading God's Word and found these scriptures which seemed to stay with me that seemed to describe who Gods Church was according to the scriptures here...

[1.] God’s people are described as God’s sheep that hear believe and follow Gods Word *John 10:26-27

[2.] God’s people are described as God’s saints that keep the commandments of God and the faith or teachings of Jesus *Revelation 14:12.

[3.] God’s people are described as those who the dragon (devil) is making war with because they keep the commandments of God *Revelation 12:17

[4.] God’s people are described as having the testimony of JESUS which is the Spirit of Prophecy. They know the end day prophecies *Revelation 19:10

[5.] God’s people are described as being blessed because they washed their robes in the blood of the lamb *1 Peter 1:18-19; Revelation 7:14; Revelation 12:11; Revelation 22:14

[6.] God’s people are described as being blessed because they keep Gods commandments and receive eternal life *Revelation 22:14

[7.] God’s people are described as being born again and do not practice sin (breaking Gods’ commandments) *1 John 3:6-9

[8.] The different between the children of God and the children of the devil is that the children of God do not practice sin (breaking God’s commandments) and the children of the devil do *1 John 3:6-10.

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The question we all must consider is how do we know we know God and are Gods saints according to the scriptures? Well Gods saints are in every Church who are living up to all the light of the knowledge of Gods’ Word that God has revealed to them and in times of ignorance when we do not know any better God winks at but when God gives us a knowledge of His Word he calls all men everywhere to believe and follow it *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; James 4:17.

Many do not know that the religious teachers of the world of fallen away from God’s Word in order to follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God. BABYLON is described as being fallen. The mother church and her daughters *Revelation 14:8; Revelation 17:1-5. She has changed times and law *Danial 7:25 and supplanted her own day of worship for which there is no scripture in place of God’s 4th commandment which is one of God’s 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

God has his people in all of these Church’s and is calling his people out of Babylon from following the traditions and teachings of men back to the pure Word of God. *Revelation 18:1-5. The hour is coming and now is that the true worshipers will worship God in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. *John 10:16; John 4:23-24.

What is the test to know if we know God?

1 John 2:3-4 [3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.

[4], HE THAT SAITH, I KNOW HIM, AND KEEPETH NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM

In times of ignorance God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of his Word calls all men everywhere to believe and follow. God’s sheep hear His voice (the Word) and follow it.

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SUMMARY: I became a Sabbath keeper and SDA because I believe God guided me to this Church through His Word and this is my testimony! God's Church through faith according to the scriptures keep all the commandments of God not some of them according to the scriptures and this is the difference between 99% of all the Churches of the Word. - YES the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment! 99% of the Churches of the Word are not following God's Word. God is calling His people out to return to His Word and follow Him in Spirit and in truth *Revelation 18:4

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