Chuck Schumer threatens SCOTUS justices

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When talking about the crime of incitement to riot, the response of the listeners not only matters, it's pivotal. Without the riot, there is no crime. You can't incite to riot without a riot.

But that's criminal law. If you want to bring a civil action against Schumer for inciting a non-riot, feel free. But if you can't show damages (ie an actual riot), I highly doubt a judge would find in your favor.

To give an example, there are a couple of exceptions to the idea that it's illegal to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater: when there is, actually, a fire; and when it doesn't result in a panic. For the latter, look no further than the play Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead. At one point in the play, one of the characters suddenly looks out to the audience and yells "Fire!" When asked why, he says he's just "demonstrating the misuse of free speech."

I've never heard of an audience panicking during that part of the play.

-- A2SG, was in that play for a class in college, and did that scene...no one panicked....I try not to take that as a reflection of my acting abilities......

If Right-wing groups responded to what Schumer or Pelosi says when they use inflammatory speech or threatens someone, then would you be willing to call those 2 criminals and prosecute them as such?
 
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Nice attempt to change the subject so you don't have to answer an uncomfortable question about domestic right-wing terrorists. Don't think it went unnoticed.

The terrorism in Portland certainly didn't go unnoticed to those in Portland. To the Press and those it's inconvenient for, it's going ignored.
But it's "only" two people who died, right?
 
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What was said was inciting a mob to riot.

At least, that's the claim.
(So amazing to find so many people fixated on Trump even after out of office. It's like you guys are obsessed with him, just as Schumer/Pelosi are).
 
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The terrorism in Portland certainly didn't go unnoticed to those in Portland. To the Press and those it's inconvenient for, it's going ignored.
But it's "only" two people who died, right?
Your continued attempts at diversions are noted.
 
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If Right-wing groups responded to what Schumer or Pelosi says when they use inflammatory speech or threatens someone, then would you be willing to call those 2 criminals and prosecute them as such?

Well, I'm not a prosecutor, just some guy on the internet with an opinion, but...

If Schumer (or Pelosi) had a large following that he'd been egging on for months about some aggrieved wrong, and, during the final part of the process of confirming this aggrieved wrong, he said some inflammatory words to this group who then went out and rioted as a result...then sure, I'd probably agree with prosecuting him for inciting a riot.

But, since none of that happened with Chuck Schumer, it's not at all the same thing. All that happened here is some guy expressed his right to free speech, and that's it. Nothing else happened.

-- A2SG, kinda like if I said "gee, y'know, I really should rob a bank someday" and did nothing about it....be kinda hard to convict me of bank robbery .....
 
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At least, that's the claim.
(So amazing to find so many people fixated on Trump even after out of office. It's like you guys are obsessed with him, just as Schumer/Pelosi are).

We're fixated on Trump because he's easily the worst president in US history and must be brought to justice for his numerous crimes.
 
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Then be specific about what Trump's "threat" was.

The argument is Trump “incited” violence. In other words, Trump incited the mob to act unlawfully. This is different from the tame and substantially innocuous remark of “reap the whirlwind” by Schumer. Schumer’s comment doesn’t qualify as inciting lawlessness or as a threat.
 
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What matters most of all is what was said, not the interpretation of the wording according to any listeners(s), or the response made by any listeners.

Oh no, this is wrong. Incitement, which Trump is accused of, very much depends on how the “listener” interprets what was said, in addition to the content of what was spoken.
 
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Oh no, this is wrong. Incitement, which Trump is accused of, very much depends on how the “listener” interprets what was said, in addition to the content of what was spoken.
So every act of political violence, from Oklahoma City to Portland, makes some politician liable to impeachment? It just depends on which ones of them are chosen by the political party that, at the time, is in the majority. That's interesting.

What's more, it does not matter who does the violence or what it is. Based on the current impeachment effort, the persons doing the deed do not need to have heard the politician who's accused of inciting it. Any politician who ever said anything about government can be selected.

That, at least, is all that's necessary for the situation to parallel the events of January 6.
 
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Your continued attempts at diversions are noted.

As is your continued denial and disinterest in people being killed by those who support your side.
 
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We're fixated on Trump because he's easily the worst president in US history and must be brought to justice for his numerous crimes.

What "crime" has he ever been convicted of?
 
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The argument is Trump “incited” violence. In other words, Trump incited the mob to act unlawfully. This is different from the tame and substantially innocuous remark of “reap the whirlwind” by Schumer. Schumer’s comment doesn’t qualify as inciting lawlessness or as a threat.

He told them to peacefully march down to the capitol. That's hardly inciting violence.
 
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So? “Can” incite violence isn’t criminal. More is needed.

One need to look no farther back than all of last year to see the violence incited by hate speech from the Left. But something tells me you'd rather focus on Trump as a way to distract from all that.
 
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Oh no, this is wrong. Incitement, which Trump is accused of, very much depends on how the “listener” interprets what was said, in addition to the content of what was spoken.

I see. Then should we start interpreting what Nancy recently said about the "enemies" within Congress as a call to violence against all those she was making reference to? Would Nancy then be liable for that violence?
(Don't bother answering if you only plan on replying with a "Now you're attempting to distract" comment)
 
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So every act of political violence, from Oklahoma City to Portland, makes some politician liable to impeachment? It just depends on which ones of them are chosen by the political party that, at the time, is in the majority. That's interesting.

What's more, it does not matter who does the violence or what it is. Based on the current impeachment effort, the persons doing the deed do not need to have heard the politician who's accused of inciting it. Any politician who ever said anything about government can be selected.

That, at least, is all that's necessary for the situation to parallel the events of January 6.

Welcome to the new standard for "law and order" for the next 4 years.
 
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Trump told the Proud Boys specifically and by name to, "Stand back and stand by". Then when they came to his "Stop the Steal" rally in DC, he told the crowd to march on the Capitol and that he would be there alongside them. According to this WSJ analysis, the Proud Boys were "key instigators" in the riot:



He told them to peacefully march down to the capitol. That's hardly inciting violence.
At what point, exactly, did Trump mention "peacefully"? Did he send a mixed message with a wink and a nod?
 
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A threat? I'd argue that is super unhelpful language but hardly constitutes a legitimate threat.


It's perverse that someone would EVER argue that as improper but continue to allow Trump and his boot licking lackies in Congress and the house continue to spew their uselessness.
 
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At least, that's the claim.
(So amazing to find so many people fixated on Trump even after out of office. It's like you guys are obsessed with him, just as Schumer/Pelosi are).
Yeah....holding people accountable is a REALLY amazing idea hey?
 
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